4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If you get Robinson's prime and then a 2nd+3rd+4th+5th on the backend without eating a contract, that's not bad.

No team would give up all those picks now for a RB.  Why would they do it 3 years from now?

RB is among the most devalued positions in the NFL.  Almost any team would prefer keeping those picks and taking their chances elsewhere. 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the problem is that gambling on sports is far more easily accessible now, because of various apps, that the temptation is greater.  There also a sense of being able to make the bets anonymously.  

I agree with this. I think its important that the NFLPA hammers it into all the players at rookie symposiums (like the one where Chris Carter told them to have a fall guy)

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I would argue that Robinson does not guarantee any improvement in the offense even if he is much better than any RB on the team. A solid back up for Lane or any other starter, provides better protection that the run game remains effective next season. Robinson or any other RB won't do well behind a bad o-line.  

You don't think Bijan is an upgrade over Sanders? Really? Or Gainwell?

Do I want a good OT to back up our OTs? I've said so many times. I'm not arguing against drafting a tackle. I've even argued that we should draft a couple. There is also no reason why we can't draft a tackle as well as Bijan. As to your last sentence, this is not a bad o-line. Turn it around. How good can this offense be with a good OL , Hurts, TE, receivers AND a stud RB?

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

No team would give up all those picks now for a RB.  Why would they do it 3 years from now?

RB is among the most devalued positions in the NFL.  Almost any team would prefer keeping those picks and taking their chances elsewhere. 

The 49ers did, less than a year ago.

1 minute ago, just relax said:

The 49ers did, less than a year ago.

Yeah and I don’t think they would do the same deal now.

 

And McCaffery was considered the top RB in the NFL.  Robinson has yet to take a single NFL snap.  

Daniel, Jerimiah sums it up pretty much

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Daniel, Jerimiah sums it up pretty much

All I was attempting to do is make a case, as does he. While there are many here who would be unhappy were the Eagles to draft Bijan, I would not be. 

 I would prefer that they draft Jalen Carter but, as I said earlier, that's another story.

57 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That's a nice group and I'm not even a fan of Wilson.

Yeah I kinda didn't want to pick him but felt like trying something different to see how it would go. 

Not sure if it’s been posted

S2 Cognition test results per @BobMcGinn:

Bryce Young - 98%
Jake Haener - 96%
Will Levis - 93%
Jaren Hall - 93%
Clayton Tune - 84%
Anthony Richardson - 79%
Hendon Hooker - 46%
CJ Stroud - 18%

I understand not allowing them to bet on nfl games. It's silly but it's a simple rule to follow to not bet on non-nfl games while at the facility or on nfl grounds. They can do it but just do it elsewhere

The benefit of Bijan is that it also reduces our need for a good slot WR and makes us less one dimensional. I feel like our 3rd down efficiency suffered because we always put Gainwell in who wasn't really a big threat to run on down and short situations.

Hopefully he would reduce the amount of touches to Gainwell, Quez and Hurts which is an overall win. Do I think they'll draft him? No. If they do I wouldn't be disappointed and I hope they gameplan around his capabilities correctly.

Jalen Carter makes me nervous as hell. Guy can't stay in shape when he has any sort of break. That might be as much of a red flag as his other off-field issues. 

10 minutes ago, just relax said:

All I was attempting to do is make a case, as does he. While there are many here who would be unhappy were the Eagles to draft Bijan, I would not be. 

 I would prefer that they draft Jalen Carter but, as I said earlier, that's another story.

I have met Bijan Robinson. I met him in high school, I went to his games in high school, she’s a local kids for me and she is an awesome human being. He is probably aI have met bichon Robinson. I met him in high school, I went to his games in high school, he’s a local kid for me and he is an awesome human being. He is probably a better human being than he is a football player. Which is saying a lot. I would love to have him on this roster because that kid is going to be really good. That said I agree with Daniel Jerimiah the Eagles just won’t do it. 

 I’d also like to point out I personally believe the Eagles when they said they would take Christian McCaffrey was a bit of an exaggeration. They put that out there hoping that another team would jump them to try to get him so that another player would fall to them. I think they had more smoke than they would’ve actually done it if it came down to that point. Because I believe if Derek Barnett and Christian McCaffrey were both on the board, the eagles still will it take a Derek Barnett. He was a pass rusher at a premium position. He had amazing college production. Can disagree but personally i still think they select Barnett. They are an analytic team and the analytics don’t back up taking a back that high. Whether we agree with that is a different story. 

7 minutes ago, bitbased said:

The benefit of Bijan is that it also reduces our need for a good slot WR and makes us less one dimensional. I feel like our 3rd down efficiency suffered because we always put Gainwell in who wasn't really a big threat to run on down and short situations.

Hopefully he would reduce the amount of touches to Gainwell, Quez and Hurts which is an overall win. Do I think they'll draft him? No. If they do I wouldn't be disappointed and I hope they gameplan around his capabilities correctly.

Been on carousel on this one - but for me the reason to take a top-back is to decrease our reliance on RO and increase the effectiveness of straight handoffs and play action.  Hurts running the ball would become a feature of the offense rather than a staple, and the offense would evolve as he becomes a better passer towards the typical 60/40 pass:run ratio where the RB would have additional opportunities as a checkdown.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have met Bijan Robinson. I met him in high school, I went to his games in high school, she’s a local kids for me and she is an awesome human being. He is probably aI have met bichon Robinson. I met him in high school, I went to his games in high school, he’s a local kid for me and he is an awesome human being. He is probably a better human being than he is a football player. Which is saying a lot. I would love to have him on this roster because that kid is going to be really good. That said I agree with Daniel Jerimiah the Eagles just won’t do it. 

 I’d also like to point out I personally believe the Eagles when they said they would take Christian McCaffrey was a bit of an exaggeration. They put that out there hoping that another team would jump them to try to get him so that another player would fall to them. I think they had more smoke than they would’ve actually done it if it came down to that point. Because I believe if Derek Barnett and Christian McCaffrey were both on the board, the eagles still will it take a Derek Barnett. He was a pass rusher at a premium position. He had amazing college production. Can disagree but personally i still think they select Barnett. They are an analytic team and the analytics don’t back up taking a back that high. Whether we agree with that is a different story. 

The interesting thing is, there are probably no analytics when it comes to a super bowl team picking in the top 10 in a year when there is really a top 10 worthy back available.

We know, from a few years ago that an elite RB can increase a teams W/L record by 4 games. That stat was reported, and shared in here by me, I believe during the Fournette draft year. But thats bad teams picking a RB who can carry their offense. Makes a massive difference for them, but theyre not us.

We cant realistically improve by 4 games in the W column from last year by drafting a RB. But for a super bowl runner up, is there any other position that affects win shares as much to get you over the hump? Answer would be a clear no. RB can make the largest difference. Especially on a roster that currently does not have a legit 3 down RB.

We are in a rare position here to do something that there arent any stats on. Howie talked on the Kelce podcast of behing ahead of things.... this is his chance to zig.

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

#freeShocker 

Yall need to stop with that nonsense

  Still more and more talks about RB but as we sit right now we're paying Nicholas Morrow to be a starting LB.. The same guy who's team decided to pay $6 million/season more for TJ Edwards a player many on here disliked...

I'm interested to see what Dean can do but really think this is way more pressing of a need for our team than RB

50 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the problem is that gambling on sports is far more easily accessible now, because of various apps, that the temptation is greater.  There also a sense of being able to make the bets anonymously.  

You have to put in all of your real info and link a Venmo, credit card, or checking account to deposit funds so it really isn't anonymous unless if they're having a friend do it for them, which is what I would do if I were them and really felt a need to make wagers. 

 

32 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yeah and I don’t think they would do the same deal now.

 

And McCaffery was considered the top RB in the NFL.  Robinson has yet to take a single NFL snap.  

Think about what you're saying. The 49ers thought they had a real shot at the Super Bowl, and they were right. Then they lost all their QBs. Ish happens. The point is, they were willing to make that trade what? - seven or eight games into the season. Without that series of injuries, they had the shot and they took it. And the big contract. Had they known they would have those injuries, of course they wouldn't have made the trade. Duh. Hindsight being what it is.

The Rams took Todd Gurley 10th overall and he was coming off an ACL.

McCaffery was A top RB in the NFL. I think it goes too far to say was THE top RB.

Are you sure Robinson hasn't taken a single NFL snap? Golly. Why didn't I think of that? What a red flag! So, who should we draft that doesn't have that red flag?

20 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Does anyone else find that really weird?

Jalen Carter is gonna get more top 30 visits than Bijan, while being Wanted by police at the combine and refusing to see 2/3rd’s of the teams

Jalen Carter needs more visits because he's got the other stuff that's swirling around him.  Any team willing to take him needs to do more than mere due diligence on him to justify it.  Meanwhile, bringing in Robinson might actually hurt teams who are hoping to get him to fall into their laps in the middle/late first round.  

Top 30 visits doesn't mean that the players brought in are the top 30 prospects in the eyes of the teams, but its 30 players that they want to bring in and talk to AND let the rest of the league know they are interested in, at least a little bit.  Lots of smokescreens around those visits.  It doesn't always mean a ton.

46 minutes ago, just relax said:

You don't think Bijan is an upgrade over Sanders? Really? Or Gainwell?

Do I want a good OT to back up our OTs? I've said so many times. I'm not arguing against drafting a tackle. I've even argued that we should draft a couple. There is also no reason why we can't draft a tackle as well as Bijan. As to your last sentence, this is not a bad o-line. Turn it around. How good can this offense be with a good OL , Hurts, TE, receivers AND a stud RB?

Sanders averages nearly 5 yards per carry behind a healthy and dominant O-line.  Adrian Peterson averaged 5.6 ypc as a rookie.   There are no rookies that average more than that with 200+ carries in the NFL.  I don't think Bijan is as good as Adrian Peterson.  I also think it's likely he's under 200 carries for the year because even rookie RBs have a learning curve. 

The risk that Lane or another starter goes down for multiple games is 100%.  There will be a game where a starter misses time.  There's probably a greater than 50% likelihood that a starter will more than 4 games.  I don't think Robinson is that much of an upgrade that the risk of passing on a one of the better OTs in the draft is worthwhile.   

The team may not have the opportunity to draft in the top 10 for a long time.  Elite RBs are easy to get in later rounds.  Elite OTs are not.  

 

19 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

You have to put in all of your real info and link a Venmo, credit card, or checking account to deposit funds so it really isn't anonymous unless if they're having a friend do it for them, which is what I would do if I were them and really felt a need to make wagers. 

But you put in a fake user name.  I'm not saying they're rocket surgeons.  

55 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Daniel, Jerimiah sums it up pretty much

I don't think Jeremiah is plugged into the Eagles thinking anymore, and it makes me dislike even more that he kept mocking Zeke Elliott to the Eagles at #8 incessantly until the Eagles traded up to #2

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The interesting thing is, there are probably no analytics when it comes to a super bowl team picking in the top 10 in a year when there is really a top 10 worthy back available.

We know, from a few years ago that an elite RB can increase a teams W/L record by 4 games. That stat was reported, and shared in here by me, I believe during the Fournette draft year. But thats bad teams picking a RB who can carry their offense. Makes a massive difference for them, but theyre not us.

We cant realistically improve by 4 games in the W column from last year by drafting a RB. But for a super bowl runner up, is there any other position that affects win shares as much to get you over the hump? Answer would be a clear no. RB can make the largest difference. Especially on a roster that currently does not have a legit 3 down RB.

We are in a rare position here to do something that there arent any stats on. Howie talked on the Kelce podcast of behing ahead of things.... this is his chance to zig.

Four game improvement would mean the Eagles could go undefeated and the old Dolphins can shut it.  I don't think I have seen anything that would show an elite RB is the reason a team improves by 4 games.