3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Pew pew. 

Well... I can't say that they lost the Super Bowl because of the defense... but they sure played a huge role in that loss.  It is definitely possible that with a different DC, the Eagles win that game. It literally only would have taken one more stop in the 2nd half to make victory very, very possible.  In fact, that last possession where the Eagles gave up the 3rd down conversion on the controversial defensive hold call was looked at by many as a potential tipping point.  And it could be argued that the 9-0 record was more due to the offense than it was the defense at that point also, so...   all I can say is that I am pretty ok with him being in the desert and going to the place that NFL Coaches go to end their careers.

52 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Not sure if it’s been posted

S2 Cognition test results per @BobMcGinn:

Bryce Young - 98%
Jake Haener - 96%
Will Levis - 93%
Jaren Hall - 93%
Clayton Tune - 84%
Anthony Richardson - 79%
Hendon Hooker - 46%
CJ Stroud - 18%

18%???😳 

I have no idea what an S2 cognition test is but unless it's a golf thing18% seems pretty bad 

Just now, Utebird said:

18%???😳 

I have no idea what an S2 cognition test is but unless it's a golf think 18% seems pretty bad 

Let us know what you score.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sanders averages nearly 5 yards per carry behind a healthy and dominant O-line.  Adrian Peterson averaged 5.6 ypc as a rookie.   There are no rookies that average more than that with 200+ carries in the NFL.  I don't think Bijan is as good as Adrian Peterson.  I also think it's likely he's under 200 carries for the year because even rookie RBs have a learning curve. nning out of bounds when

The risk that Lane or another starter goes down for multiple games is 100%.  There will be a game where a starter misses time.  There's probably a greater than 50% likelihood that a starter will more than 4 games.  I don't think Robinson is that much of an upgrade that the risk of passing on a one of the better OTs in the draft is worthwhile.   

The team may not have the opportunity to draft in the top 10 for a long time.  Elite RBs are easy to get in later rounds.  Elite OTs are not.  

 

Sanders left a lot of meat on the bone. I think we all acknowledged that. And he was a dreadful receiver. He also was prone to bonehead decisions such as going out of bounds - twice in one game, as I recall - when we were trying to run out the clock. We made no effort to re-sign him, which says something.

So, who's the OT we should draft at #10?

To one and all, I am not convinced we should draft Bijan at #10. I'm just making the argument, which I think is fairly good.

2 minutes ago, just relax said:

Sanders left a lot of meat on the bone. I think we all acknowledged that. And he was a dreadful receiver. He also was prone to bonehead decisions such as going out of bounds - twice in one game, as I recall - when we were trying to run out the clock. We made no effort to re-sign him, which says something.

So, who's the OT we should draft at #10?

Jones seems like the guy to me if they go that route

28 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

  Still more and more talks about RB but as we sit right now we're paying Nicholas Morrow to be a starting LB.. The same guy who's team decided to pay $6 million/season more for TJ Edwards a player many on here disliked...

I'm interested to see what Dean can do but really think this is way more pressing of a need for our team than RB

Depends where you want to draft a LB, though.  I don't think are are many in this draft who are worthy of a first round grade.  Bill Polian thinks only Campbell and Sanders.

I'd be fine with Drew Sanders, but think he could be had with a small trade

20 minutes ago, just relax said:

Think about what you're saying. The 49ers thought they had a real shot at the Super Bowl, and they were right. Then they lost all their QBs. Ish happens. The point is, they were willing to make that trade what? - seven or eight games into the season. Without that series of injuries, they had the shot and they took it. And the big contract. Had they known they would have those injuries, of course they wouldn't have made the trade. Duh. Hindsight being what it is.

The Rams took Todd Gurley 10th overall and he was coming off an ACL.

McCaffery was A top RB in the NFL. I think it goes too far to say was THE top RB.

Are you sure Robinson hasn't taken a single NFL snap? Golly. Why didn't I think of that? What a red flag! So, who should we draft that doesn't have that red flag?

I just don’t think it’s going to happen anymore.  
 

Way too much talent at RB nowadays with most offensive systems designed so that a flux of  various talent can be inserted there with success.  
 

So how much will a team pay to go from a guy averaging 4.6 YPC there to a guy that averages 5 YPC there?  Not 5 draft picks. 
 

(After we just let a RB walk that was averaging 5 YPC)

But hey, believe what you will. 
 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sanders averages nearly 5 yards per carry behind a healthy and dominant O-line.  Adrian Peterson averaged 5.6 ypc as a rookie.   There are no rookies that average more than that with 200+ carries in the NFL.  I don't think Bijan is as good as Adrian Peterson.  I also think it's likely he's under 200 carries for the year because even rookie RBs have a learning curve. 

The risk that Lane or another starter goes down for multiple games is 100%.  There will be a game where a starter misses time.  There's probably a greater than 50% likelihood that a starter will more than 4 games.  I don't think Robinson is that much of an upgrade that the risk of passing on a one of the better OTs in the draft is worthwhile.   

The team may not have the opportunity to draft in the top 10 for a long time.  Elite RBs are easy to get in later rounds.  Elite OTs are not.  

I can see the allure to adding Bijan at 10.  But I can also see the reason to skip over him.   I suppose what it really comes down to is:  Who is on the board besides Robinson at 10, and what offers are on the table to move back?  If the right deal isn't sitting there and the stud OL isn't there... would it make sense to put the chips into the center of the table with the top 10 RB and hope to leverage the QB's running skill to keep defenses more honest and let that help Robinson out-perform other recent rookie RBs?  Maybe.  

 

I haven't been able to study the prospects much this year, so I don't know who really would be the guy at 10 to make me jump at them over Robinson.  I am generally against a RB in Round 1.  But, I've also been against using your QB as a running weapon as a primary function of the offense, so what the heck do I know? 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Let us know what you score.

I would if I knew what it was🤷‍♂️

I've never heard of it nor am I a NFL QB prospect so I'm gonna guess I probably wouldn't score any higher but if we're sayi g it's an ok score for stroud because me regular middle aged dude sitting on his couch eating chips couldn't do better that's a pretty low bar no.???

NFL GM- So Stroud we noticed you only scored an 18% on your S2 recognition test, that seems pretty low for a high level college QB, care to explain yourself 

Stroud- Utebird only got a 12....

😒

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Four game improvement would mean the Eagles could go undefeated and the old Dolphins can shut it.  I don't think I have seen anything that would show an elite RB is the reason a team improves by 4 games.  

As I said, the eagles cant possibly do that. Because theyre not a bad team picking an actual top 10 worthy RB. Theyre an already elite team picking an actual top 10 worthy RB. The effect on the W/L column would be different. But again, no position has a greater improvement on wins than a truly elite RB. As an elite team that needs to get over that hump as a super bowl loser, an elite RB can be counted on to make a difference.

I dont doubt you havent seen the stat. It was years ago. As I said, I think it was during Fournette's draft year that I posted it in here. And most people didnt want to listen to me talk about Fournette.  Stat definitely exists whether you saw it or remember it, or not.

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The interesting thing is, there are probably no analytics when it comes to a super bowl team picking in the top 10 in a year when there is really a top 10 worthy back available.

We know, from a few years ago that an elite RB can increase a teams W/L record by 4 games. That stat was reported, and shared in here by me, I believe during the Fournette draft year. But thats bad teams picking a RB who can carry their offense. Makes a massive difference for them, but theyre not us.

We cant realistically improve by 4 games in the W column from last year by drafting a RB. But for a super bowl runner up, is there any other position that affects win shares as much to get you over the hump? Answer would be a clear no. RB can make the largest difference. Especially on a roster that currently does not have a legit 3 down RB.

We are in a rare position here to do something that there arent any stats on. Howie talked on the Kelce podcast of behing ahead of things.... this is his chance to zig.

Eagles have analytics about the rb position in general and where the best value is in taking them. Super Bowl team or not, i think the eagles wouldn’t do it. 

 are we looking at it strictly in 2023. The eagles are gonna use analytics that show long term not just short term. Long term analytics don’t favor that position and getting the value from the position that high. especially when eagles are going to be elite running the ball anyway due to their roster construction and could get someone good to be in their rotation later. I tend to think eagles philosophy is that they like to have a committee rather than just one workhorse back. I’d be willing to bet even if they took bijan that gainwell, penny still get touches and fans would complain about why. 

I’d argue Dallas record might have been bad when it took zeke but that was cause romo got hurt and they plummeted. their roster the year before was one of the best in the league. They still didn’t get the best bang for their buck due to the player who went right after in Ramsey. Granted this draft doesn’t have that player at 10 why more people willing to consider it. That said we also don’t know how the eagles value someone like Paris Johnson or Nolan smith. If they believe both can be great players long term then I’m betting they value OT and pass rusher over a great RB. 

Looks like Bryce Harper expected to be back in early May according to reports

13 minutes ago, just relax said:

To one and all, I am not convinced we should draft Bijan at #10. I'm just making the argument, which I think is fairly good.

Drafting Bijan wouldn't be optimal, but I'm fine pushing back on the narrative that it would be a bad pick. 

27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't think Jeremiah is plugged into the Eagles thinking anymore, and it makes me dislike even more that he kept mocking Zeke Elliott to the Eagles at #8 incessantly until the Eagles traded up to #2

I feel the RB thing has been an eagles philosophy since reid was here. I don’t think it’s anything new. I do think the eagles would spend a 2nd or 3rd on a RB if the value is there. It’s actually where they’ve had a ton of success: westbrook (3rd), mccoy (2nd) and sanders (2nd). 

i will pose this, how much difference in production do you think bijan drafted at 10 and Gibbs at 30 makes? I tend to think the eagles will still use a committee. I don’t think it’s a coincidence the eagles haven’t had a bell cow back since howie has come back in 2016. They drafted sanders in the second round and the only time he really went over 200 carries was his final year when they knew they weren’t bringing him back and could just use all the tread on the tire. 

also if they take bijan i can already see him getting 12-15 touches. And penny, gainwell and Scott getting the rest and people complaining about why bijan isn’t getting 20-25. 

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Drafting Bijan wouldn't be optimal, but I'm fine pushing back on the narrative that it would be a bad pick. 

Its a bad pick not a bad player. Big difference

the opportunity cost is huge. Bad allocation of resources

19 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sanders averages nearly 5 yards per carry behind a healthy and dominant O-line.  Adrian Peterson averaged 5.6 ypc as a rookie.   There are no rookies that average more than that with 200+ carries in the NFL.  I don't think Bijan is as good as Adrian Peterson.  I also think it's likely he's under 200 carries for the year because even rookie RBs have a learning curve. 

The risk that Lane or another starter goes down for multiple games is 100%.  There will be a game where a starter misses time.  There's probably a greater than 50% likelihood that a starter will more than 4 games.  I don't think Robinson is that much of an upgrade that the risk of passing on a one of the better OTs in the draft is worthwhile.   

The team may not have the opportunity to draft in the top 10 for a long time.  Elite RBs are easy to get in later rounds.  Elite OTs are not.  

 

Counter argument is that it doesn't seem like there's a large gap between 10 and 30 at OT. I'll trust their judgement if they do take one at 10 but it really needs to make sense. There's a reason the top 10 is pretty much slated for all defense outside of QB.

17 minutes ago, just relax said:

To one and all, I am not convinced we should draft Bijan at #10. I'm just making the argument, which I think is fairly good.

I think there is always a context to be considered when hypothesizing about an organization's decisions. There are historical trends that hold a lot of water but there is also the current state of a team. In this case, the current state of the team could very well substantiate taking Robinson at #10. This is because such a player would create even more of an unmanageable matchup problem for Ds in a era when outscoring your opponent is the strategy. A D that has to account for a QB who can run and pass, an RB who can run, catch and break away, two #1s are receivers and a great TE is a problem. It can't be accounted in terms of O options and this would be potentially great for the Eagles. Personally, I would be excited about Robinson at #10 and the best G prospect at #30.

 

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Its a bad pick not a bad player. Big difference

the opportunity cost is huge. Bad allocation of resources

A bad pick is a bust - I'm confident you'll avoid that with Bijan.  I'd rather go DL/OL as sixty percent of the time my picks work every time.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

A bad pick is a bust - I'm confident you'll avoid that with Bijan.  I'd rather go DL/OL as sixty percent of the time my picks work every time.

All is takes is a helmet to the knee for an RB to bust 

shortest shelf life position and most fungible

34 minutes ago, Utebird said:

18%???😳 

I have no idea what an S2 cognition test is but unless it's a golf thing18% seems pretty bad 

How you process information 

Even before that score ,Stroud was dropping fast , off some teams boards 

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

All is takes is a helmet to the knee for an RB to bust 

shortest shelf life position and most fungible

Or not even... Ki-Jana Carter's career ended before it began when he blew out his knee in the backfield, untouched, on his first or second carry in his first preseason game.   He was never the same.

Or Robert Edwards, who destroyed his knee on the sand in Hawaii in a rookie beach flag football event, and was never the same.  Bad luck on both for sure, but the RB position being a short shelf-life position in the NFL is an undeniable statistical fact.

7 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Counter argument is that it doesn't seem like there's a large gap between 10 and 30 at OT. I'll trust their judgement if they do take one at 10 but it really needs to make sense. There's a reason the top 10 is pretty much slated for all defense outside of QB.

Idk depends on who you listen to. Burglar talked about the tackles. The first 3 (Paris, jones and wright) are much better than the next tier. He also said once you get past Bergeron and jones who are his 5th and 6th tackle he thinks it’s not a good class.