7 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

This WR class is the worst I’ve seen in a while. I predict that Tank Dell is the 2nd best WR from this class after JSN when all is said and done.

Tillman is a #1 WR being slept in big time.  

34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Tillman is a #1 WR being slept in big time.  

I’d figure he’s top-50, and in draft with a lot of smaller quick or fast guys - Tillman seems to be one of the few bigger body go get it guys (contested catches/ in traffic, etc.).

44 minutes ago, Infam said:

I think it may be Quentin Johnston but he is so much boom or bust, who knows.

Quentin Johnston scares me only because we've seen guys like Roy Williams, Mike Williams (USC), Charles Rogers and so many other size, speed guys from major programs come in to the league and just flop.  

5 hours ago, Infam said:

Hell yeah.

My wet dream nuclear option is adding Smith-Njigba to the slot and Gibbs at RB (after double trade down?)..

Is that the perfect draft? Maybe not. But damn, the offense would be insane.

I keep seeing Gibbs going to the Cowboys in mocks. I really do not want to see that. That kid is going to be so good and I do not want to see that weapon and that speed over there. Would not be good.

I love JSN too. I see no way it happens though. My little sleeper even as high as 30 is Mingo. I see a lot of AJ Brown in his game, could be the ultimate insurance policy to AJ but play right away too. He's not as good as JSN but could be there possibly in round two but I think the cat is out of the bag on him now and won't make it to our 2nd. 

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Quentin Johnston scares me only because we've seen guys like Roy Williams, Mike Williams (USC), Charles Rogers and so many other size, speed guys from major programs come in to the league and just flop.  

He‘s a horned Frog receiver, that alone should get people up in arms.. 😄

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

That’s honestly the best defense of drafting Robinson at 10. This draft stinks and we’d be getting an elite talent talent instead of some B-minus types at higher valued positions. 

I’m still not in favor of drafting Robinson at 10 and don’t believe the Eagles would consider it either. 

It was reported that Howie would have taken CMC over Barnett at 14 in 2017.
That said, CMC could be an NFL WR. Robinson is a good pass catcher, but doesn't have those skills.

I’d feel pretty happy about this. 

33 minutes ago, RLC said:

It was reported that Howie would have taken CMC over Barnett at 14 in 2017.
That said, CMC could be an NFL WR. Robinson is a good pass catcher, but doesn't have those skills.

Doesn’t hurt Howie to say he would’ve taken an all-pro if he had the chance… CMAC could be a WR, not sure if he’d be a good one… you’re not getting mismatches against LBs as a slot (e.g. Devin Duvernay).

I feel like it's pretty much a given you're not going to have a ton of success stories on early 1st round RB picks. Usually teams that are picking in that area don't have a QB and then they pick a RB to carry the offensive load and run them into the ground since they're inept at building the offense.

7 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I feel like it's pretty much a given you're not going to have a ton of success stories on early 1st round RB picks. Usually teams that are picking in that area don't have a QB and then they pick a RB to carry the offensive load and run them into the ground since they're inept at building the offense.

This is the copium - I’m ready.

 

I think "how much do they impact winning?” is a more pertinent question than "how productive are they going to be?”

How many teams improve significantly because of the addition of a stud RB? Or fall off drastically when they lose the stud RB?

because when it comes to the draft it’s not just "what did this RB do you for?” But it’s also "what would the other guy at another position could have done for you if you drafted them instead?”

A team like the Panthers may have been happy with the production Mccaffrey gave them but would they still have been satisfied with the pick if they totally sucked with him? Not saying it’s totally his fault, but I’m saying if they used that pick to invest in a more important position maybe they’d have been better off.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think "how much do they impact winning?” is a more pertinent question than "how productive are they going to be?”

How many teams improve significantly because of the addition of a stud RB? Or fall off drastically when they lose the stud RB?

because when it comes to the draft it’s not just "what did this RB do you for?” But it’s also "what would the other guy at another position could have done for you if you drafted them instead?”

A team like the Panthers may have been happy with the production Mccaffrey gave them but would they still have been satisfied with the pick if they totally sucked with him? Not saying it’s totally his fault, but I’m saying if they used that pick to invest in a more important position maybe they’d have been better off.

The Panthers suck with Derrick Brown, Horn, Brian Burns and Icky, all more valuable positions. 

Of course they don’t have a QB, but still…

12 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. You know, I haven’t thought about it since I think we’re good with bottom of the roster types. I assume if we add one, it’s round 3-5. 

 

How about Noah Gindorff? (jk, he’s a TE to OT prospect if one at all). Frankly, I am not convinced there is a mid range prospect better than Stoll and Calcaterra.  I really think Calcaterra takes a sophomore jump and is the 3-5 range TE you are talking about.  

From Dane " : A one-year starter at Louisiana Tech, Brooks was the field cornerback in defensive coordinator Scott Power’s scheme (he also played for Powers at Stephen F. Austin). Despite only one season at the FBS level, he had his best college season as a senior in 2022, including a career-high 12 passes defended (outside of the Clemson game, he didn’t allow a catch longer than 16 yards in 2022). Brooks shows a natural feel in multiple coverages and is always peeking for the football. The undisciplined mistakes and misses in the run game must improve for him to earn the trust of an NFL coaching staff. Overall, Brooks doesn’t have high-level athletic traits and needs to become more buttoned up for the pro game, but his anticipation and ball skills should translate well. He projects best as a press-man cornerback at the next level. Grade: 6-7th round."

48 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I feel like it's pretty much a given you're not going to have a ton of success stories on early 1st round RB picks. Usually teams that are picking in that area don't have a QB and then they pick a RB to carry the offensive load and run them into the ground since they're inept at building the offense.

Exactly, when was the last time an actually competitive team drafted a RB in the first instead of a crap team with no offense?

Like I said a few days ago a better RB wins us the super bowl, someone else added a better slot WR and if Robinson can line up there maybe he kills two birds with one stone. Sanders was good at taking what was given, but if we can get a RB who can make something out of nothing the offense gets a whole lot scarier. 

I'm not all in on Robinson at 10 but I definitely would not be disappointed. Regardless, they need a running back in this draft. Just because you CAN succeed with a lower level RB with this line doesn't mean we should be settling 

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

From Dane " : A one-year starter at Louisiana Tech, Brooks was the field cornerback in defensive coordinator Scott Power’s scheme (he also played for Powers at Stephen F. Austin). Despite only one season at the FBS level, he had his best college season as a senior in 2022, including a career-high 12 passes defended (outside of the Clemson game, he didn’t allow a catch longer than 16 yards in 2022). Brooks shows a natural feel in multiple coverages and is always peeking for the football. The undisciplined mistakes and misses in the run game must improve for him to earn the trust of an NFL coaching staff. Overall, Brooks doesn’t have high-level athletic traits and needs to become more buttoned up for the pro game, but his anticipation and ball skills should translate well. He projects best as a press-man cornerback at the next level. Grade: 6-7th round."

Sounds like a safety convert

26 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think "how much do they impact winning?” is a more pertinent question than "how productive are they going to be?”

How many teams improve significantly because of the addition of a stud RB? Or fall off drastically when they lose the stud RB?

because when it comes to the draft it’s not just "what did this RB do you for?” But it’s also "what would the other guy at another position could have done for you if you drafted them instead?”

A team like the Panthers may have been happy with the production Mccaffrey gave them but would they still have been satisfied with the pick if they totally sucked with him? Not saying it’s totally his fault, but I’m saying if they used that pick to invest in a more important position maybe they’d have been better off.

While this is a logical thought, the problem still lies in the Eagles' unique and unheard of position.

They have an elite line. They have their franchise QB. They have studs at TE and WR. They also have two first-round picks.

RB is a position of need, and there is a possible elite one that could be available. Those other teams were always missing something big - a QB, an offensive line, a WR, etc.

You could argue defense, but what player on defense would have a more significant impact than Bijan in 2023 especially when the Eagles have been allergic to actually starting their defensive rookies? Any player that is currently being mocked at around the 9,10,11 spot would be a DE, CB, DL, or OL. Most likely none of these guys would start or contribute significantly to the team in 2023. Drafting Bijan gives you a player that will contribute significantly this year and they still have a first-round pick to play with.

We have to completely throw out the playbook when it comes to this team's draft, this year.

8 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Sounds like a safety convert

Why?  Size and speed?  His traits don’t sound like a S, neither does the best in Press Man description. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Why?  Size and speed?  His traits don’t sound like a S, neither does the best in Press Man description. 

The tackling is a concern but if he wants to keep his eyes to the qb let him play deep middle

2 hours ago, Infam said:

He‘s a horned Frog receiver, that alone should get people up in arms.. 😄

That too.

52 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Panthers suck with Derrick Brown, Horn, Brian Burns and Icky, all more valuable positions. 

Of course they don’t have a QB, but still…

I agree, but to me the fact that they suck with or without McCaffrey could be an indicator that he didn't impact winning very much. The Panthers didn't really look any different without him this past season.

25 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

While this is a logical thought, the problem still lies in the Eagles' unique and unheard of position.

They have an elite line. They have their franchise QB. They have studs at TE and WR. They also have two first-round picks.

RB is a position of need, and there is a possible elite one that could be available. Those other teams were always missing something big - a QB, an offensive line, a WR, etc.

You could argue defense, but what player on defense would have a more significant impact than Bijan in 2023 especially when the Eagles have been allergic to actually starting their defensive rookies? Any player that is currently being mocked at around the 9,10,11 spot would be a DE, CB, DL, or OL. Most likely none of these guys would start or contribute significantly to the team in 2023. Drafting Bijan gives you a player that will contribute significantly this year and they still have a first-round pick to play with.

We have to completely throw out the playbook when it comes to this team's draft, this year.

I'm not sure RB is a position of need. I think that depends on if Penny stays healthy. If Penny gets hurt then it becomes one(as currently constructed). If not, I think this RB group is fine. Good, actually. I like Gainwell and Scott as change of pace backs and Penny when healthy is really Fing good.

As it stands currently I think DT, OT, OG, Safety, LB, slot WR are more immediate needs for 2023 and Edge, CB are more long-term needs. I'd put RB down the list in terms of needs.

I don't think you have to throw out the playbook. The playbook is why the Eagles made the SB this past season in the first place. Their commitment to keeping the lines strong is why whenever they falter they always climb out of it very quickly. The Eagles don't stay bad for long when they do fall because their lines are always good so it doesn't take much to pull them out of it. And once they find a good QB they typically are a playoff team with those lines. I want them to continue investing in those lines. It's how you stay a playoff team for years to come.

The draft isnt about 2023. Thats what free agency is

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm not sure RB is a position of need. I think that depends on if Penny stays healthy. If Penny gets hurt then it becomes one(as currently constructed). If not, I think this RB group is fine. Good, actually. I like Gainwell and Scott as change of pace backs and Penny when healthy is really Fing good.

As it stands currently I think DT, OT, OG, Safety, LB, slot WR are more immediate needs for 2023 and Edge, CB are more long-term needs. I'd put RB down the list in terms of needs.

I don't think you have to throw out the playbook. The playbook is why the Eagles made the SB this past season in the first place. Their commitment to keeping the lines strong is why whenever they falter they always climb out of it very quickly. The Eagles don't stay bad for long when they do fall because their lines are always good so it doesn't take much to pull them out of it. And once they find a good QB they typically are a playoff team with those lines. I want them to continue investing in those lines. It's how you stay a playoff team for years to come.

Even if Penny stays healthy, he's here on 1-year deal and is going to be 28.  Boston Scott turns 28 this week.  

I understand a lot of the arguments surrounding not taking a RB early and one of those is because RB are past their prime at an earlier age.  Well, the Eagles are currently depending on not one but TWO RB who are over that age and one of them can't stay healthy at all.  I don't think that's anything to rely on and I would much rather the Eagles find an answer at RB, rather than piecemeal a backfield together.  

Bijan Robinson is the real deal.  Not only is he a terrific RB, but he averaged over 13 yards per catch over his career at Texas.  That kind of versatility make him different than many of the backs in the draft. 

If they don't take Robinson, I actually wouldn't mind seeing them double dip at RB depending on who they take.  I'd be really excited if they took a guy like Kendre Miller or Tank Bigsby and then paired him with a Devon Achane or Deuce Vaughn.