49 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Which is why you invest in the premium OL not the premium rb

Eh I guess you can make the case you can get OL later too. 
 

Mailata - round 7

Dickerson - round 2

Kelce - round 6 

Seumalo - round 3 or 4? 
 

thats 4 of our starters last year. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Pittman? Tillman?

yep

17 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Eh I guess you can make the case you can get OL later too. 
 

Mailata - round 7

Dickerson - round 2

Kelce - round 6 

Seumalo - round 3 or 4? 
 

thats 4 of our starters last year. 

Would add future starter jurgens was a 2nd rounder and lane was 4th overall. If kelce retires after this year, then you’d have lane first, Dickerson 2nd, jurgens 2nd and mailata 7th. 

Seumalo was a 3rd. I know Brandon brooks was a FA they signed but he was drafted in the third round. 

24 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

So, #10 OL and #30 RB versus #10 RB and #30 OL, if Gibbs is available at #30

Yeah, I just don’t really see an OL worth taking that early. Maybe Jones?

I’d trade down from 10, hopefully add an extra first in 2024.

But yes, if the plan is to take a RB early, Gibbs in the late first/early second is my pick.

20 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Eh I guess you can make the case you can get OL later too. 
 

Mailata - round 7

Dickerson - round 2

Kelce - round 6 

Seumalo - round 3 or 4? 
 

thats 4 of our starters last year. 

You "can” get great players later at any position. You can get Brady in the 6th or Montana in the 4th.

But realistically the first round is where you are most likely to find a quality starter.

16 minutes ago, TEW said:

You "can” get great players later at any position. You can get Brady in the 6th or Montana in the 4th.

But realistically the first round is where you are most likely to find a quality starter.

This is why i posted bo wulf’s article and chart. It is a really good read about why you take certain players where and how it’s been consistent over the years.  Here’s the chart again 

https://theathletic.com/4397424/2023/04/13/nfl-draft-analysis-offense-pro-bowlers/?source=user_shared_article

53 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Pauline put out the Cam Jurgens story last year, but he seems to have a lot of misses. This feels like draft week shenanigans.

However, I love JSN. The downsides to drafting him are obvious -- not a field stretcher, sub-optimal straight line speed, only played the slot at OSU, Eagles top WRs are studs.

But the upside? He is a super talent at the position. Routes, hands, catching in stride, acrobatic/sideline catches. Upgrade in football IQ between him and Quez is the size of 10 football fields. And I think having another guy Hurts can have total trust in would only make Hurts more comfortable in the pocket, aiding his long-term development.

Pretty sure he also had Reagor too. I could definitely see Howie loving the Northwestern DE too. 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is why i posted bo wulf’s article and chart. It is a really good read about why you take certain players where and how it’s been consistent over the years.  Here’s the chart again 

https://theathletic.com/4397424/2023/04/13/nfl-draft-analysis-offense-pro-bowlers/?source=user_shared_article

It can be a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. If you devalue RBs and take very few in round 1, you cause the talent to be there in round 2-3, and make those rounds look better. 

I dont know who was first to mention Zavala in here. Props to that guy. I am so in on that bandwagon.

I see Tommy briefly touched on him in yesterdays writeup, with this clip. So good. Again, he reminds me of Brooks. Size, athleticism, power, nastiness. Give him some time with Stout. 

 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It can be a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. If you devalue RBs and take very few in round 1, you cause the talent to be there in round 2-3, and make those rounds look better. 

Makes me want to wait even more cause the league is pushing the talent back into those rounds. If the league is pushing the value at running back  into the 2-3 round then why are you willing to overspend knowing there’s going to be great talent a round or two later? That’s not the case with some of other premium positions. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Makes me want to wait even more cause the league is pushing the talent back into those rounds. If the league is pushing the value at running back  into the 2-3 round then why are you willing to overspend knowing there’s going to be great talent a round or two later? That’s not the case with other positions. 

get your guy. If you arent picking till later in round 2, and you know theyll start going off the board. Get the 5th year option on your RB. Get to keep him another year in his prime, without having to do a big money extension.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont know who was first to mention Zavala in here. Props to that guy. I am so in on that bandwagon.

I see Tommy briefly touched on him in yesterdays writeup, with this clip. So good. Again, he reminds me of Brooks. Size, athleticism, power, nastiness. Give him some time with Stout. 

 

Kind of upside Howie talks about 

Chandler Zavala played mainly Soccer and basketball at Forest Park High School in Woodbridge, Virginia before taking up football for his senior year. 

 

29 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

get your guy. If you arent picking till later in round 2, and you know theyll start going off the board. Get the 5th year option on your RB. Get to keep him another year in his prime, without having to do a big money extension.

The same arguments you just made can be made for any position. I can get a 5th year option on my OT, DT, DE, CB which are more premium positions. I get to keep them in their prime for another year and cheap. I’m also picking later in round 2 for those positions. There’s a chance no good OT, DT, CB or edge is there or start going off the board. 

we are also under the assumption the running back is just gonna be happy to play five years on that contract and not hold out or be a pain in the ass when eligible for an extension if he’s playing like a pro bowler. Unlike running back, a premium position you are more likely to try to get a contract done early because it’s a premium position and you’re willing to pay. Whereas running back, thought is you don’t want to invest big money at that position. 

i look at it this way, at 62 there’s a better chance there's a good rb available than a good OT because teams have devalued running back pushing them down in the draft and it’s considered deep RB class (based off bruglar it’s not a great OT class after his top 5-6 guys) 

this isn’t a don’t take bijan at all cost. I wouldn’t be mad if the eagles selected him. However if the eagles think someone like Paris johnson can be lane’s long term replacement, play some guard/backup swing tackle this year, and be a pro bowl caliber player long term with stoutland’s coaching then I’d take that over bijan due to premium position, how they value his upside and the analytics say it’s much harder to find that type of player at OT later in the draft. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont know who was first to mention Zavala in here. Props to that guy. I am so in on that bandwagon.

I see Tommy briefly touched on him in yesterdays writeup, with this clip. So good. Again, he reminds me of Brooks. Size, athleticism, power, nastiness. Give him some time with Stout. 

 

He’s 24 and wasn’t a combine invite. Brugler though has him as his 5th ranked guard and a projected third round pick. 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Eh I guess you can make the case you can get OL later too. 
 

Mailata - round 7

Dickerson - round 2

Kelce - round 6 

Seumalo - round 3 or 4? 
 

thats 4 of our starters last year. 

Right, and you still need to take the correct guys in round 1. See Dillard, Barnett, the fireman... Just because you take a trench player in round 1 doesn't automatically make them 10 year starters. 

I don’t want us going RB anywhere near 10, but I can’t resist churning the pot

 

And that’s with only 258 attempts. Fournette, Barkley, Mccaffrey, Henry, Elliot all had seasons with more carries

13 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I don’t want us going RB anywhere near 10, but I can’t resist churning the pot

 

And that’s with only 258 attempts. Fournette, Barkley, Mccaffrey, Henry, Elliot all had seasons with more carries

If you look at the rest of the list, David Montgomery comes up several times on the list, and look how he turned out. Point being, I wouldn't put much stock into it.

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

Kind of upside Howie talks about 

Chandler Zavala played mainly Soccer and basketball at Forest Park High School in Woodbridge, Virginia before taking up football for his senior year. 

Hes just the wide body type they look for in OL too. Theyre all big humans, but theres a particular shape of most of the eagles OL. This guy has it. He fits everything we are looking for.

49 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The same arguments you just made can be made for any position. I can get a 5th year option on my OT, DT, DE, CB which are more premium positions. I get to keep them in their prime for another year and cheap. I’m also picking later in round 2 for those positions. There’s a chance no good OT, DT, CB or edge is there or start going off the board. 

we are also under the assumption the running back is just gonna be happy to play five years on that contract and not hold out or be a pain in the ass when eligible for an extension if he’s playing like a pro bowler. Unlike running back, a premium position you are more likely to try to get a contract done early because it’s a premium position and you’re willing to pay. Whereas running back, thought is you don’t want to invest big money at that position. 

i look at it this way, at 62 there’s a better chance there's a good rb available than a good OT because teams have devalued running back pushing them down in the draft and it’s considered deep RB class (based off bruglar it’s not a great OT class after his top 5-6 guys) 

this isn’t a don’t take bijan at all cost. I wouldn’t be mad if the eagles selected him. However if the eagles think someone like Paris johnson can be lane’s long term replacement, play some guard/backup swing tackle this year, and be a pro bowl caliber player long term with stoutland’s coaching then I’d take that over bijan due to premium position, how they value his upside and the analytics say it’s much harder to find that type of player at OT later in the draft. 

It cant Because as you pointed out, RB is the position that is getting pushed down. Not the others.

47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He’s 24 and wasn’t a combine invite. Brugler though has him as his 5th ranked guard and a projected third round pick. 

If we were to draft him, and Skoronski, Zavala will be the better eagle.

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Eh I guess you can make the case you can get OL later too. 
 

Mailata - round 7

Dickerson - round 2

Kelce - round 6 

Seumalo - round 3 or 4? 
 

thats 4 of our starters last year. 

OL is a priority, OT particularly.  With Stoutland to develop talents, we can concentrate on the attributes over stats and highlights.  I too think that an OT may not be pick at #10.  If DL and CB offer good choices, Howie may use the high pick there.  The OL can be addressed later.

I also think Howie will make deals to move down and up with later picks to targets.  Picks in next year draft may be used as chips in those moves.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

It cant Because as you pointed out, RB is the position that is getting pushed down. Not the others.

This is what you said 

get your guy. If you arent picking till later in round 2, and you know theyll start going off the board. Get the 5th year option on your RB. Get to keep him another year in his prime, without having to do a big money extension.

1. Get your guy? I can make that argument for any position. If they love a tackle’s upside they’d go get him as that position might not be available with those type of players at the position later 

2. not picking til later 2nd round they’ll start going off the board? That can be made with OT, DT, Cb, LB, Edge. That’s not a strictly rb argument. That could happen at any position there’s a run or none available at 62. The analytics say it’s less likely OT, DT, CB, Edge are gonna be there over RB or there’s a run prior to that late of a pick in the second round

3. get a 5th year option? All first rounders get that. So argument can be applied to any position 

only argument where can’t really be applied is your last point. get him another cheap year in his prime without having to do a big money extension? Technically, you don’t have to give the guy a contract extension until after his fifth year. So i could still get him in his prime cheap for 5 years.  positions that are considered premium position you are likely getting that contract done early so you don’t have to overpay him later on. Whereas running back, like you said you aren’t having a big money extension. That said i rather give a big money extension to a premium position then just get 5 cheap years at RB for a great rb if they view both players as potential pro bowl caliber players 

again, if the league is pushing running backs down in the draft, it is far more likely that the Eagles at the end of the second round are going to be able find a good running back than a good offensive tackle or defensive tackle that they aren’t getting pushed down and the chart (and analytics) showing it’s far less likely. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is what you said 

get your guy. If you arent picking till later in round 2, and you know theyll start going off the board. Get the 5th year option on your RB. Get to keep him another year in his prime, without having to do a big money extension.

1. Get your guy? I can’t make that argument for any position. If they love a tackle’s upside they’d go get him as that position might not be available with those type of players at the position later 

2. not picking til later 2nd round they’ll start going off the board? That can be made with OT, DT, Cb, LB, Edge. That’s not a strictly rb argument. That could happen at any position there’s a run or none available at 62. The analytics say it’s less likely OT, DT, CB, Edge are gonna be there over RB or there’s a run prior to that late of a pick in the second round

3. get a 5th year option? All first rounders get that. So argument can be applied to any position 

only argument where can’t really be applied is your last point. get him another cheap year in his prime without having to do a big money extension? Technically, you don’t have to give the guy a contract extension until after his fifth year. So i could still get him in his prime cheap for 5 years.  positions that are considered premium position you are likely getting that contract done early so you don’t have to overpay him later on. Whereas running back, like you said you aren’t having a big money extension. That said i rather give a big money extension to a premium position then just get 5 cheap years at RB for a great rb if they view both players as potential pro bowl caliber players 

again, if the league is pushing running backs down in the draft, it is far more likely that the Eagles at the end of the second round are going to be able find a good running back than a good offensive tackle or defensive tackle that they aren’t getting pushed down and the chart (and analytics) showing it’s far less likely. 

no. the discussion was about the self fulfilling prophecy of RBs looking better in rounds 2-3 because the talent isnt being selected till then.  Youre out of context.

23 of 44 SB QBs in the current division format (2002-present) were not first round picks.

9 of the other 21 were 1st overall.

Don't bother picking a QB in round 1 if you don't pick #1 overall.  The trend is clear.

As for the #1 overall pick? The last 8 QBs picked #1 have zero SB wins at this point.

Of the 15 QBs picked #1 overall since 2002, only 2 have won SBs and only 1 for the team who drafted him (Eli / Stafford)

Mahomes at 10th and Ben at 11th have 6 SB appearances and 4 wins so you should pick your QB at 10 or 11.

 

The above is as meaningful as that color coded guess chart.