11 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Of the 15 QBs picked #1 overall since 2002, only 2 have won SBs and only 1 for the team who drafted him (Eli / Stafford)

Eli was drafted by the Chargers and Stafford was drafted by the Lions. Neither team has ever won a Super Bowl.

There you go, Never draft a QB #1 overall.

 

Not Eagles related, but I don't know how anyone is high on CJ Stroud. Dude would be a mega star in 7 on 7 flag football, but the NFL ain't that.

20 hours ago, Infam said:

Hell yeah.

My wet dream nuclear option is adding Smith-Njigba to the slot and Gibbs at RB (after double trade down?)..

Is that the perfect draft? Maybe not. But damn, the offense would be insane.

If you really want insane in this Draft you need to also add Darnell Washington as TE2 replacing Jack Stoll in the depth chart.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If you really want insane in this Draft you need to also add Darnell Washington as TE2 replacing Jack Stoll in the depth chart.

If that's the case.  I'd rather have Robinson and Tillman.   Neither will happen.

4 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Darnell Washington is just an uber talent, him and Dallas while yes redunent would be amazing. 

They wouldn’t be redundant.  Goedert is Goedert.  Washington is a massively better Stoll.

I read this thread. The most notable piece of information is Gonzalez hasn’t had a meeting with any of the top 10 teams.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Someone posted some cryptic tweet last week about a RB dropping down the boards due to medical. He was my guess. Sad to hear as he would have definitely been gone in R3-R4. 

42 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Not Eagles related, but I don't know how anyone is high on CJ Stroud. Dude would be a mega star in 7 on 7 flag football, but the NFL ain't that.

Young, Richardson, and Levis are also all highly flawed QB prospects.  It becomes a matter of taste at that point.  Richardson is beyond raw and can’t hit the broad side of a barn with his throws, Levis is erratic and specializes in turnovers like a pastry chef, and Young is smaller than Kyler Murray, without the speed or plus arm.

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Young, Richardson, and Levis are also all highly flawed QB prospects.  It becomes a matter of taste at that point.  Richardson is beyond raw and can’t hit the broad side of a barn with his throws, Levis is erratic and specializes in turnovers like a pastry chef, and Young is smaller than Kyler Murray, without the speed or plus arm.

None of these QBs stand out which is funny when discussing last years QB’s because these were supposed to be "way better prospects” than that group, and the year before that Spencer Rattler was the Hansel of the talk. 

The team has shown they can properly evaluate and develop OL talent in rounds 3-7, they have not shown those abilities with RB. Safer to take an elite RB at 10 and draft OL in 2-7 (or at 30) than to take a high floor OL at 10 and hope there's elite RB still on the board when they pick in the second.

The downside to the latter strategy is they wait and wait thinking there's all this RB depth and you can find a great one in the 4th and then we end up with donnell pumphrey.

They need to take the elite RB if that's what they want, F it. When we're hoisting a Lombardi off the back of a top 2 offense no one will care they drafted a RB at 10

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

None of these QBs stand out which is funny when discussing last years QB’s because these were supposed to be "way better prospects” than that group, and the year before that Spencer Rattler was the Hansel of the talk. 

It’s gonna depend a lot on where they end up. 
 

Panthers have Frank, and Josh McCown as QB coach, but I’m not very familiar with their OC

Colts have Steichen and Jim Bob Cooter as OC, but I’m not familiar with their QB coach

Texans have Demeco as a defensive head coach and not much on the offensive side.  Pity the one who goes there.

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

The team has shown they can properly evaluate and develop OL talent in rounds 3-7, they have not shown those abilities with RB. Safer to take an elite RB at 10 and draft OL in 2-7 (or at 30) than to take a high floor OL at 10 and hope there's elite RB still on the board when they pick in the second.

The downside to the latter strategy is they wait and wait thinking there's all this RB depth and you can find a great one in the 4th and then we end up with donnell pumphrey.

They need to take the elite RB if that's what they want, F it. When we're hoisting a Lombardi off the back of a top 2 offense no one will care they drafted a RB at 10

Normally I’d suspect OL at 10 and DL at 30, but the way Howie described what he’s looking for at 10 with a "difference maker” and "unique” player, I don’t see one on OL at all.  CB is a possibility with Gonzalez and Witherspoon but the CB class is deep and very likely a solid one available at #30.

Almost all pass rushers who are difference makers are first round picks, so the best edge rusher available could be where they go.  I think Carter goes #5 or 6 and I’d like to believe Howie would pass on him at 10 anyway.  If he’s still available at 10, there’s a reason.

If I was Howie I would lean CB at 10 if either Gonzalez or Witherspoon is there, EDGE at 30 if Foskey or Murphy is still there, LB at 62 if Sanders or Campbell is still there, and RB at 94.  Undoubtedly Howie will be trading around, though.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Normally I’d suspect OL at 10 and DL at 30, but the way Howie described what he’s looking for at 10 with a "difference maker” and "unique” player, I don’t see one on OL at all.  CB is a possibility with Gonzalez and Witherspoon but the CB class is deep and very likely a solid one available at #30.

Almost all pass rushers who are difference makers are first round picks, so the best edge rusher available could be where they go.  I think Carter goes #5 or 6 and I’d like to believe Howie would pass on him at 10 anyway.  If he’s still available at 10, there’s a reason.

If I was Howie I would lean CB at 10 if either Gonzalez or Witherspoon is there, EDGE at 30 if Foskey or Murphy is still there, LB at 62 if Sanders or Campbell is still there, and RB at 94.  Undoubtedly Howie will be trading around, though.

Cornerback makes a lot of sense when you use sheil’s analytics about how many 30+ year olds played 500 snaps or more at the position. There was only 7. And for 32+, it was only Patrick Peterson. Bradberry and slay did it last year being over 30. Not sure you can bank on that type of health again. Add on maddox missing 15 games over 3 years. So there’s a good chance that if you take Gonzalez or Witherspoon likely going to play meaningful snaps next year. That said i don’t think either make it to 10. 

Picking a RB at 10 is a complete and utter waste of resources on almost every conceivable level. First, the incremental difference between a great RB an and an average RB isn’t that much behind our line. A back’s effectiveness is almost totally dependent on other players, so they are by definition not difference makers. On top of that, you have to give the 10th pick a 4 year, ~24 million fully guaranteed contract as opposed to waiting for the Vikings to cut Dalvin Cook and signing him for like $5 million. And you have the opportunity cost of passing on someone else. 
 

It’s what dumb franchises, like Dallas, Carolina and the Giants do. Roster construction is about maximizing value and impact per dollar and picks.

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

Not Eagles related, but I don't know how anyone is high on CJ Stroud. Dude would be a mega star in 7 on 7 flag football, but the NFL ain't that.

Well I thought Hurts was a terrible 2nd round pick 3 years ago so we’ll see. 

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Picking a RB at 10 is a complete and utter waste of resources on almost every conceivable level. First, the incremental difference between a great RB an and an average RB isn’t that much behind our line. A back’s effectiveness is almost totally dependent on other players, so they are by definition not difference makers. On top of that, you have to give the 10th pick a 4 year, ~24 million fully guaranteed contract as opposed to waiting for the Vikings to cut Dalvin Cook and signing him for like $5 million. And you have the opportunity cost of passing on someone else. 
 

It’s what dumb franchises, like Dallas, Carolina and the Giants do. Roster construction is about maximizing value and impact per dollar and picks.

I have to add that’s even more essential now that Hurts is paid 

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Picking a RB at 10 is a complete and utter waste of resources on almost every conceivable level. First, the incremental difference between a great RB an and an average RB isn’t that much behind our line. A back’s effectiveness is almost totally dependent on other players, so they are by definition not difference makers. On top of that, you have to give the 10th pick a 4 year, ~24 million fully guaranteed contract as opposed to waiting for the Vikings to cut Dalvin Cook and signing him for like $5 million. And you have the opportunity cost of passing on someone else. 
 

It’s what dumb franchises, like Dallas, Carolina and the Giants do. Roster construction is about maximizing value and impact per dollar and picks.

Frankly if the offensive line has injuries next year and/or if jurgens struggles like seumalo did trying to be the starter in year 2 the eagles are gonna be in trouble. Because the only back up that can be counted on to play at a competent level right now is Driscoll who also gets injured a lot.

Currently the other main backups on the depth chart are opeta, Fred johnson and Brett Toth. Not great. The eagles don’t have the depth they had in past seasons. Add on listening to Dane bruglar after his top 6 tackles, he doesn’t think it’s a very good class. So with 10,30 and 62 you likely want to take one or just hope lane annd mailata stay healthy annd if they don’t, hope driscoll holds up. That’s a lot of faith in lane who’s missed 19 games in 4 years annd Driscoll who as a backup kept getting hurt. Finding quality guards i think is doable in the middle rounds. But not sure i trust driscoll as my swing tackle. I think the eagles understand how injuries to the oline can sink a season. I also believe they saw lane get hurt last year and were fortunate he was able to play through that injury and it happened late in the year as opposed to earlier in the year. They might not be so lucky this year if that happens. 

I don’t know why Jay Sherman didn’t want to see this movie; I’d have watched it:

 

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t know why Jay Sherman didn’t want to see this movie; I’d have watched it:

 

 

Really underrated show. 

17 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Picking a RB at 10 is a complete and utter waste of resources on almost every conceivable level. First, the incremental difference between a great RB an and an average RB isn’t that much behind our line. A back’s effectiveness is almost totally dependent on other players, so they are by definition not difference makers. On top of that, you have to give the 10th pick a 4 year, ~24 million fully guaranteed contract as opposed to waiting for the Vikings to cut Dalvin Cook and signing him for like $5 million. And you have the opportunity cost of passing on someone else. 
 

It’s what dumb franchises, like Dallas, Carolina and the Giants do. Roster construction is about maximizing value and impact per dollar and picks.

 

The spot this team is in is so vastly different than most franchises who pick RB in the top 10 I don't understand how people keep trying to compare them. This team is coming off a super bowl loss where their 1k yard rusher couldn't do jack ish, a better back wins that game despite the atrocious defense. Those teams mentioned weren't sniffing the playoffs and were in desperate need of talent elsewhere on offense, this team isn't. 

On defense, it seems extremely unlikely any of the elite talent (Anderson, Carter, Witherspoon, Gonzales) make it to 10. 

I'm not pounding the table for Robinson but to act like it would be the dumbest thing on earth is asinine when right now we are one very likely penny injury away from having a RB duo of Scott and gainwell.

When Cook gets released there is zero guarantee he comes here. We aren't the only competitive team in need of a running back. 

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

If you really want insane in this Draft you need to also add Darnell Washington as TE2 replacing Jack Stoll in the depth chart.

I think Calcaterra is #2.. Sure can be upgraded but I am talking starters right now. And with Goedert and Smith-Njigba and Gibbs.. how much would Washington even play?

5 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Kind of upside Howie talks about 

Chandler Zavala played mainly Soccer and basketball at Forest Park High School in Woodbridge, Virginia before taking up football for his senior year. 

https://lsusports.net/sports/fb/roster/player/anthony-bradford/

 

Anthony Bradford LSU.   Ras as OG - 9.81

https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=23255&ovl=Louisiana+State


Big and strong and fast, lacking a bit at agility

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/anthony-bradford

6th round - 193

I don't think the Eagles should be drafting a pro ready OL with a high pick.  If they're using a high pick on an OL,  despite the fact that they drafted a guy in the 2nd last year who is waiting on line, I would have to assume that he had a crazy Ras like Lane Johnson.   Over 300 and 4.71 40.  Like that.   I don't see any of those guys.

Teams who are drafting OLs in the first round, especially if those guys aren't 10 Ras, are probably drafting those guys because they have an existing problem at that spot, and are hoping to fix the problem immediately.   The Eagles don't have a need.  They don't need a pro ready OL.  The Eagles like to keep the cabinet full of quality OLs.   That's cool but the Eagles, because they don't need to be drafting a starter, shouldn't be drafting one high unless they're top Ras and accomplished.

there are top Ras players who should be available on day 3.   Some have mentioned some names.   I'll put Bradford in there with Zavala and Sidy Sow as high Ras,  big, heavy OGs.  Day 3.  
 
Day 3 OTs with high Ras are Freeland and Jake Witt. Ras compare Freeland v Witt

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23020&p2=23813&pos=OT

 

Zavala v Bradford Ras compare

Bradford's 1.66 10 split at 332 pounds is 9.94 Ras for guards.  Good numbers there.

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23199&p2=23255&pos=OG

Spent the past 4 days driving up from idaho to Alaska, 4 days of driving thru the isolated Canadian wilderness with zero cell service, I had plenty of time to talk to myself & figure out what the Eagles will do at 10. 
 

Barring any trade, or Jalen Carter being there, I believe it’ll be Nolan Smith. Like it or hate it I think that’s the pick. 
 

He fits everything from character standpoint, athleticism, him being best compared to Reddick & after seeing the success they’ve had with Reddick so far, it will make a bunch of sense to Eagles FO. Provides immediate EDGE depth. Gives them a future EDGE starter considering Reddick only has 2 more years left on his contract & will likely get a massive pay day, something they won’t pay given Hurts contract. 
 

OL is likely the move at 30, maybe 62 instead if a player at different position is too good to pass up. The 2nd/3rd rd OL pipeline for Eagles has worked well with Seumalo & Dickerson so far, next up is Jurgens with future looking good. I think it’ll be Cody Mauch. Seems like a guy they will love. Projects best as a guard but has tackle experience, giving depth at multiple positions right now & likely takes over at RG when Kelce retires & Jurgens slides to Center. Also should note I think Eagles trade back here with the aim of getting some day 3 picks, then taking Mauch. Not taking Mauch at 30
 

not sure what happens from there, but man would I love Charbonnet at 62 

1 hour ago, devpool said:

 

The spot this team is in is so vastly different than most franchises who pick RB in the top 10 I don't understand how people keep trying to compare them. This team is coming off a super bowl loss where their 1k yard rusher couldn't do jack ish, a better back wins that game despite the atrocious defense. Those teams mentioned weren't sniffing the playoffs and were in desperate need of talent elsewhere on offense, this team isn't. 

On defense, it seems extremely unlikely any of the elite talent (Anderson, Carter, Witherspoon, Gonzales) make it to 10. 

I'm not pounding the table for Robinson but to act like it would be the dumbest thing on earth is asinine when right now we are one very likely penny injury away from having a RB duo of Scott and gainwell.

When Cook gets released there is zero guarantee he comes here. We aren't the only competitive team in need of a running back. 

I'm good with adding a top of the line rookie RB if they want to do that.   Bijan seems like an upgrade over the worst rb on the roster, whoever that might be.  

It seems like some people want to draft backups at other positions and hope those players can be as good as the starters that are there now, after the starters retire.   I think you draft high ras players who are raw and coach them up.  And there are players who can fit that role. I like Witt, because Witt can also do tight end. He was a TE for 2 years in college after 1 year of basketball in college.  Day 3 picks can include OT/TE Witt, and one of the high Ras OGs,   Zavala, Sow, Bradford.   The OL will be well covered by doing that, and no day one or 2 picks are needed.   The Eagles would probably need to trade down somewhere to get the picks to get those 2 players and more.  Trading from 10 to just 11 should get a 5, 6 and 7, jimmy johnson points wise.  And then,  why not Bijan?  Can Bijan line up in the slot?  Hurts, Penny and Bijan in the backfield might be best.  I do like the idea of getting a RB who can line up in the slot taking snaps from Quez,  without taking a WR who can't play RB.   Other options there could be Gibbs and Achane. Wouldn't be using a 1st on Achane and wouldn't be using the 10 pick for Gibbs.  

I think that Kancey or Abe Abe are both interesting,  short heavy fast,  DT/DE,   if they want players of that Aaron Donald type,  those would be good choices.   So,  they could get, after trades up and down,  Bijan and Kancey/Abe Abe and a few day 3 picks to get heavy RG,  lighter taller faster OT/TE.

The rest could be defense.