Just now, Paul852 said:

But you're acting like this is suddenly a new thing and the "country desperately needs it". Dude, you currently have a president who very openly practices his faith.

We had to get rid of the godless commie that goes to Church every Sunday in favor of the serial adulterer who never goes to Church because the latter is obviously God's chosen. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Freedom of it doesn't mean freedom from it at the same time.

What does this even mean?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Because I never said I wanted one. Freedom of it doesn't mean freedom from it at the same time.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

But you're acting like this is suddenly a new thing and the "country desperately needs it". Dude, you currently have a president who very openly practices his faith.

And I'm happy about that. If he has made statements encouraging people to pray and to turn to God I'd be proud of him as well. We do need it.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

We do need it.

No, YOU need it. And that's fine. Stop making assumptions about what anyone else needs because it's what you believe.

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

We had to get rid of the godless commie that goes to Church every Sunday in favor of the serial adulterer who never goes to Church because the latter is obviously God's chosen. 

You have TDS cool

You may or may not like religion cool

You people can go on and on about this, but I'm proud and welcome Trump, Biden, or any future president to ask people to pray and turn to God. That's not going to change regardless of how much we continue to talk about this.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

No, YOU need it. And that's fine. Stop making assumptions about what anyone else needs because it's what you believe.

I sure do, but as a nation we do as well because we have moved away from Him, the same hand that has watched over us since our foundation. You may not agree, but I'm going to say it and believe it, and not hide it.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

If he has made statements encouraging people to pray and to turn to God I'd be proud of him as well. We do need it.

You KNOW he has. And if you don't I think you've got a serious information deficit issue.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Who was the female apostle again? Oh right

For that time and culture, Jesus was actually very progressive. He let the unclean woman (on her period) touch him, he let a woman enter a room of religious men and she washed his feet and Jesus rebuked the religious guys who wanted her removed. He spared the woman caught in adultery who was going to be stoned. 

Also, there were women in the New Testament who led local churches. Lydia was named, and there was a husband and wife couple who were spreading the Gospel and Paul named both of them (not just the man) in acknowledging efforts. Not a lot by today's standards, but in middle eastern culture back then...it was more progressive than Islam in 2024.

Are we trying to argue that Trump is a religious potlicker again?

Last time I was in church and held the bible upside down, folks there were quite disapproving 

35 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

This is like Toaster getting angry because Jesus died for our sins without asking first lol

He's not really dead

He's like Jedi dead

It's kind of cheating

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I sure do, but as a nation we do as well 

Nope. As a nation we do not need him nor are we required to follow what you believe.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

For that time and culture, Jesus was actually very progressive. He let the unclean woman (on her period) touch him, he let a woman enter a room of religious men and she washed his feet and Jesus rebuked the religious guys who wanted her removed. He spared the woman caught in adultery who was going to be stoned. 

Also, there were women in the New Testament who led local churches. Lydia was named, and there was a husband and wife couple who were spreading the Gospel and Paul named both of them (not just the man) in acknowledging efforts. Not a lot by today's standards, but in middle eastern culture back then...it was more progressive than Islam in 2024.

And how many women priests has his alleged church had again?

Just now, mayanh8 said:

You KNOW he has. And if you don't I think you've got a serious information deficit issue.

I don't remember him encouraging prayer and turning to God, but welcome those quote. Being proud of Trump doesn't mean I won't be proud of Biden or any others. The truth here is many of you hate Trump with a passion. You'll hate anything he says or does, which is fine. Many of you also don't like religion or God, which is also fine. I can be proud of Biden, JFK, Trump, Washington, or any others who have encouraged belief in providence. You can accept the difference or move on.

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Nope. As a nation we do not need him nor are we required to follow what you believe.

Well, we are going to disagree, which is fine, but you certainly won't silence my belief in providence or being proud of Biden for living his faith, or for Trump making statements on prayer and turning to God. It appears we are living what the Founder's envisioned where people are welcome to not believe while leaders are free to proclaim providence and prayer.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't remember him encouraging prayer and turning to God, but welcome those quote. 

I just want to remind you that this all started because you said this:

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At 2:50 a president talking about rededicating ourselves to God as a nation. It's been way too long.

You know Biden actually dedicates himself to his faith and sets a good example every single week. However, you instead are celebrating a guy pandering to you instead. This is exactly why people can't really take any of this seriously.

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Nope. As a nation we do not need him nor are we required to follow what you believe.

Amen br...

oh wait

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, we are going to disagree, which is fine, but you certainly won't silence my belief in providence 

I don't care to silence you. Just don't expect the nation to dedicate themselves to your God.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I sure do, but as a nation we do as well because we have moved away from Him, the same hand that has watched over us since our foundation. You may not agree, but I'm going to say it and believe it, and not hide it.

Christian Evangelicals that used to claim to be "the moral majority" and promote family values tossed Jesus aside and latched onto a womanizing, hateful and divisive corrupt liar, who assaulted and made sexual remarks about teen girls, his own daughter and got a porn star pregnant while cheating on his wife. He's a convicted felon, says disgusting things practically every time he speaks. 

Someone being "sent by God" is someone who leaves their former past behind and changes. Someone referenced the Apostle Paul. He had a dramatic conversion and then dedicated his life to preaching Jesus and against the rigid religious leaders of the day. He was tortured, put in prison and killed for his faith.

Trump sells gold sneakers, coins and signed Bibles. He's a fraud.

God can "use" anyone for His will, but Trump certainly is not "sent" by God.

12 minutes ago, Gannan said:

We had to get rid of the godless commie that goes to Church every Sunday in favor of the serial adulterer who never goes to Church because the latter is obviously God's chosen. 

Once again, you people can't separate policy from identity politics.  Religious people have made a significant contribution to the country.  Terrible values like family, community, charity.  Just terrible. 

So tell me, who is a better advocate for this group, DJT or Kamala Harris?

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I just want to remind you that this all started because you said this:

You know Biden actually dedicates himself to his faith and sets a good example every single week. However, you instead are celebrating a guy pandering to you instead. This is exactly why people can't really take any of this seriously.

First, it appears we are living what the Founder's envisioned where people are welcome to not believe while leaders are free to proclaim providence and prayer.

Second, I didn't think about Biden but welcome it and yeah that makes me proud as well. I'm still waiting for those quotes of him encouraging prayer and turning to God.

Third I'm glad he lives it, but I personally do want to hear leaders proclaiming it as well like JFK. You won't agree, but again, that's the system the Founder's envisioned.

awww, did someone learn a new word at school today?

Just now, NOTW said:

Christian Evangelicals that used to claim to be "the moral majority" and promote family values tossed Jesus aside and latched onto a womanizing, hateful and divisive corrupt liar, who assaulted and made sexual remarks about teen girls, his own daughter and got a porn star pregnant while cheating on his wife. He's a convicted felon, says disgusting things practically every time he speaks. 

Someone being "sent by God" is someone who leaves their former past behind and changes. Someone referenced the Apostle Paul. He had a dramatic conversion and then dedicated his life to preaching Jesus and against the rigid religious leaders of the day. He was tortured, put in prison and killed for his faith.

Trump sells gold sneakers, coins and signed Bibles. He's a fraud.

God can "use" anyone for His will, but Trump certainly is not "sent" by God.

That's not true - you're attributing bad behavior of the minority and exploiters to the entire group.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Christian Evangelicals that used to claim to be "the moral majority" and promote family values tossed Jesus aside and latched onto a womanizing, hateful and divisive corrupt liar, who assaulted and made sexual remarks about teen girls, his own daughter and got a porn star pregnant while cheating on his wife. He's a convicted felon, says disgusting things practically every time he speaks. 

Someone being "sent by God" is someone who leaves their former past behind and changes. Someone referenced the Apostle Paul. He had a dramatic conversion and then dedicated his life to preaching Jesus and against the rigid religious leaders of the day. He was tortured, put in prison and killed for his faith.

Trump sells gold sneakers, coins and signed Bibles. He's a fraud.

God can "use" anyone for His will, but Trump certainly is not "sent" by God.

I never said he was sent.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

First, it appears we are living what the Founder's envisioned where people are welcome to not believe while leaders are free to proclaim providence and prayer.

Second, I didn't think about Biden but welcome it and yeah that makes me proud as well. I'm still waiting for those quotes of him encouraging prayer and turning to God.

Third I'm glad he lives it, but I personally do want to hear leaders proclaiming it as well. You won't agree, but again, that's the system the Founder's envisioned.

You don't find it a little silly that you put more stock in a guy hawking $60 Bibles and telling you to go to church than the guy who leads by example and doesn't push his religion on you?