November 10, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: To be clear I'm in no way alleging any sort of fraud. I'm sharing this because what it means may be of interest: In both Michigan and Wisconsin more people voted for president than senator by margins larger than Trump's win. So did we have tens of thousands of Republican voters check the box for Trump but abstain from the Senate votes? That's really weird. Exactly, part of the reason they call the 1980 election the Reagan Revolution is because when Reagan won 44 states It also led to lots of Republicans winning state races and flipping lots of seats from blue to red. That’s what normally happens.
November 10, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I honestly don’t get my state of NC. Trump won rather easily, but we elected a Dem governor, Dem Atty General, and lots of other Dems down the ballot. Honestly, that’s the shocking thing to me - not that Trump won. At the end of the day NC would rather have a sane white guy than a crazy black guy.
November 10, 20241 yr FWIW, if discrepancies like this happened in Harris's favor you'd have an apoplectic MAGA world descending on the State Capitols and dozens of court cases filed (and ultimately tossed for lack of evidence). The only explanation is tens of thousands of voters showing up, voting Trump, and walking out on any other elections.
November 10, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Casey in PA, Brown in OH, and Tester in MT all lost though I dunno about Brown the the Casey/McCormick race was much tighter. And similar effect there. Over 120k more people voted for president than for Senate in PA. In this case both Senate candidates got fewer than the President, but the gap was much wider for Trump/McCormick. Trump got 141k more votes than McCormick. Harris got almost 35k more than Casey. The 3rd party ticket for Senate in PA got almost 55k more votes than the 3rd party for President (Stein) which is how it ends up around 120k more for president than Senate. (141+35-55=121k)
November 10, 20241 yr 35 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: To be clear I'm in no way alleging any sort of fraud. I'm sharing this because what it means may be of interest: In both Michigan and Wisconsin more people voted for president than senator by margins larger than Trump's win. So did we have tens of thousands of Republican voters check the box for Trump but abstain from the Senate votes? That's really weird. This is what you get when it has little to do with policy and far more to do with a cult of personality. It's not sustainable long term for the party, but I've given up hoping the GOP will ever get their ish together enough to become the adults in the room again. The dems will get my vote for the foreseeable future until the GOP candidate runs as an anti-MAGA challenger. Harris: 2.74M Trump: 2.80M vs Slotkin: 2.71M Rogers: 2.69M
November 10, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Procus said: Where is Van? Disappointingly, he seems to be a bit of a bad sport.
November 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Exactly, part of the reason they call the 1980 election the Reagan Revolution is because when Reagan won 44 states It also led to lots of Republicans winning state races and flipping lots of seats from blue to red. That’s what normally happens. Maybe voters are becoming less partycentric? (if that's a word). I know I've not voted for an office if I thought they both sucked.
November 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Diehardfan said: 😂 His monologue was great. Barr is hilarious. Most of the show was pretty funny.
November 10, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, eglz1 said: Maybe voters are becoming less partycentric? (if that's a word). I know I've not voted for an office if I thought they both sucked. It's the opposite, party polarization is as worse as it's ever been.
November 10, 20241 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: It's the opposite, party polarization is as worse as it's ever been. In mediaworld that's true. On main street I'm not so sure.
November 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: I honestly don’t get my state of NC. Trump won rather easily, but we elected a Dem governor, Dem Atty General, and lots of other Dems down the ballot. Honestly, that’s the shocking thing to me - not that Trump won. I suspect if the Republican gubernatorial nominee was not tainted, NC would have elected a Republican for governor. That, plus the Katrina like response to the hurricane lifted Trump.
November 10, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: Disappointingly, he seems to be a bit of a bad sport. I don't think it's that - I think he was really bothered by the result of the election and he's not into being anywhere near a discussion about it.
November 10, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, eglz1 said: In mediaworld that's true. On main street I'm not so sure. It's true everywhere, we have plenty data on this.
November 10, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: I suspect if the Republican gubernatorial nominee was not tainted, NC would have elected a Republican for governor. That, plus the Katrina like response to the hurricane lifted Trump. Democrats won lots of races down the ballot. Not just governor. And they broke the Republican supermajority in the state legislature.
November 10, 20241 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: It's true everywhere, we have plenty data on this. Data generated by who? It's easy enough to generate data supporting all but the most extreme positions.
November 10, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: Disappointingly, he seems to be a bit of a bad sport. Van is a good guy. He has to feel pretty upset about things and is just taking some time. Understandable.
November 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: I honestly don’t get my state of NC. Trump won rather easily, but we elected a Dem governor, Dem Atty General, and lots of other Dems down the ballot. Honestly, that’s the shocking thing to me - not that Trump won. The number of split ballots were astonishing in this election and I think it's something that will be looked at more when the dust settles and everyone calms down a bit. A lot of people that voted Trump also voted down-ballot Dem, including for abortion protections, etc. Numerically, the magnitude of Trump's win should have translated to a 56 Republican Senate and an expanded house majority but it didn't. This is something for Democrats to build on once they emerge from the fetal position.
November 10, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Van is a good guy. He has to feel pretty upset about things and is just taking some time. Understandable. I know, sometimes I just say things to see who has me on ignore.
November 10, 20241 yr 50 minutes ago, Gannan said: Closer than it should have been, but hopefully she goes away for good. I'm maintaining my position that Kari Lake looks like she could play the role of Blanche Devereaux in a modern day remake of The Golden Girls.
November 10, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said: The cold open was funny as well. Loving the #ArtWillSaveUsAll tag. True. So true.
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