I want everything to come true. 

10%?

Hell, cap it at 5%!

No credit for you!

'The progressive wing of the party has to recognize… the country’s not progressive, and not to the far left or the far right,’ DNC committeeman Joseph Paolino Jr. told Politico

29 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Credit cards are just bad for the average person. Most have a lack of discipline.

If you're disciplined and/or of means it's a useful tool and convenient. You can track and pay your expenses once a month. You can limit the exposure of personal accounts.

If you're at least disciplined you can purchase a want or need and pay it off.

The amount of 1 and 2 year old cars being repossessed would suggest a lot of people lack that discipline. 

I think this actually gets at the heart of conservatism and right wing politics, and the weird American version of it.

We view conservative/right as pro free market because of our conspicuous late start in nation building here in America, but historically and globally, these are very liberal positions — hence the "classical liberal” term some people use.

Conservatism traditionally has a strong hierarchical, paternal nature to it. At least hypothetically and philosophically, the ruling class is supposed to have some obligation of protectionism towards its own people and country. Yes, the King gets to live in a palace, but he has to balance the needs of the people with the greed of nobility all while ensuring his neighbors don’t invade.

American politics sort of inverted this in the second half of the 20th century, and we got the worst of both worlds in a way: protectionist instinct but in a leftist mind, which psychologically favors the outsider rather than the insider, and the firm hand of a conservative but directing laissez-faire economics.

Trumpism, and its spiritual predecessor Pat Buchanan, represent a shift to more traditional alignments in a way. The GOP is moving towards a view of protecting the people and nation on an instinctual basis, conservation of normality, etc. And you can see the conflict in the Democratic Party as they wrestle between a psychotic left wing base and corporate donor class.

42 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Well here’s an interesting counter to high credit card interest rates: don’t use a credit card! 

"WGB would love for this to be just about 10% vs his elitist and way out of touch statement that people shouldn't buy something they can't pay off.”

the fact that you think what you just said is an "elitist” statement is the problem.  No, it’s not elitist to think that people shouldn’t buy something that they can’t afford, it’s actually common sense and sound financial advice. 
are you saying that Dave Ramsey is elitist?

Some are like the girl in that shopaholic movie and some carry a balance for a short time like the example of the single mother. It's elitist to assume the only people who carry a balance are the first. 

18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Some are like the girl in that shopaholic movie and some carry a balance for a short time like the example of the single mother. It's elitist to assume the only people who carry a balance are the first. 

Not the only people but a majority. There in lies the problem. The ones floating a balance to buy new tires for their car, clothing for the kids, or even a vacation is one thing. 

Financing a life style one cannot afford is another.

Suppose for a moment that Biden had lost in 2020 and Trump had carried on for these past 4 years. 

What do you think the 2024 election would have been? Pence and Newsom? Two different candidates?  Who would be President-elect right now?

1 minute ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Suppose for a moment that Biden had lost in 2020 and Trump had carried on for these past 4 years. 

What do you think the 2024 election would have been? Pence and Newsom? Two different candidates?  Who would be President-elect right now?

I don't know that Pence would have gone uncontested.

I also don't know how Trump would have done without a 4 year gap to ruminate. He had too many on both sides fighting him, neither wanted him to win in 2016. 

3 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

I don't know that Pence would have gone uncontested.

I also don't know how Trump would have done without a 4 year gap to ruminate. He had too many on both sides fighting him, neither wanted him to win in 2016. 

It's difficult for a sitting Vice President to get elected to President after the sitting President leaves office, so even if he'd gotten the nomination, the historical odds would be against him. Bush did it, but I think only one other has done it in history.

I just wonder what the race would have looked like without the 4 year gap between Trump terms and who might be President-elect right now. Historical odds say it's probably a Democrat.

Incumbent parties all got punished for the economic damage Covid caused. 

See: Tories

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Incumbent parties all got punished for the economic damage Covid caused. 

See: Tories

Biden wouldn't have won without Covid.  

43 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Suppose for a moment that Biden had lost in 2020 and Trump had carried on for these past 4 years. 

What do you think the 2024 election would have been? Pence and Newsom? Two different candidates?  Who would be President-elect right now?

The answer is obvious.

You guessed it.

Frank Stallone.

1 hour ago, Arthur Jackson said:

The answer is obvious.

You guessed it.

Frank Stallone.

 

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Well, he was great in Rocky so why not?

2 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Not the only people but a majority. There in lies the problem. The ones floating a balance to buy new tires for their car, clothing for the kids, or even a vacation is one thing. 

Financing a life style one cannot afford is another.

Totally agree 

3 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Well, he was great in Rocky so why not?

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2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Incumbent parties all got punished for the economic damage Covid caused. 

See: Tories

Where we differ, "the damage Covid caused"

They played with the virus and it got out. They created the policies.

Self inflicted consequences. They Fed around and we all found out. 

32 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Take you back
do do do do
take you back
take you back
do do do do
take you back

You know, their father was the bell ringer in the fight with Apollo. 

4 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Some are like the girl in that shopaholic movie and some carry a balance for a short time like the example of the single mother. It's elitist to assume the only people who carry a balance are the first. 

If someone carries a balance on a credit card, it means that they spent more than they could afford.  That is a simple fact.  There is nothing elitist about that statement.
 

4 hours ago, TEW said:

I think this actually gets at the heart of conservatism and right wing politics, and the weird American version of it.

We view conservative/right as pro free market because of our conspicuous late start in nation building here in America, but historically and globally, these are very liberal positions — hence the "classical liberal” term some people use.

Conservatism traditionally has a strong hierarchical, paternal nature to it. At least hypothetically and philosophically, the ruling class is supposed to have some obligation of protectionism towards its own people and country. Yes, the King gets to live in a palace, but he has to balance the needs of the people with the greed of nobility all while ensuring his neighbors don’t invade.

American politics sort of inverted this in the second half of the 20th century, and we got the worst of both worlds in a way: protectionist instinct but in a leftist mind, which psychologically favors the outsider rather than the insider, and the firm hand of a conservative but directing laissez-faire economics.

Trumpism, and its spiritual predecessor Pat Buchanan, represent a shift to more traditional alignments in a way. The GOP is moving towards a view of protecting the people and nation on an instinctual basis, conservation of normality, etc. And you can see the conflict in the Democratic Party as they wrestle between a psychotic left wing base and corporate donor class.

You guys need to really get off of the whole "liberals being off the deep end” thing. Liberals have been off the deep end since they started being liberals, and yet they still win elections. Everybody wants to circle jerk about how if their parochial interest were  addressed, then Kamala would have won. 

Trump and his "Kamala is for they/them” didn’t didn’t win him the election. 

We have exit polls. It’s the economy.

If it was Haley v. Harris, Nikki would have put up Reagan ‘84 numbers. 

The big takeaway is that anybody who attempts a coup should be barred from running again, because voters have the memory of a goldfish. 

7 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

If someone carries a balance on a credit card, it means that they spent more than they could afford.  That is a simple fact.  There is nothing elitist about that statement.
 

Duh, the point is sometimes that's a necessity. That doesnt mean wasteful/shopaholic behavior. His original statement was way out of touch. 

4 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Biden wouldn't have won without Covid.  

And trumps bungling of it

lindy booth

1 hour ago, Bill said:

because voters have the memory of a goldfish. 

I don't believe the topic was un-mentioned enough for anyone to have to rely on memory. It was there everyday like daylight in the morning.

In the end the "coup" story didn't convince enough people. 

 

You can easily say Haley would have put up Reagan numbers because there's no way to prove or disprove the statement.

It can be said as fact that she couldn't get past Trump in order to get to Harris.

 

Sounds like fun

 

11 hours ago, Bill said:

You guys need to really get off of the whole "liberals being off the deep end” thing. Liberals have been off the deep end since they started being liberals, and yet they still win elections. Everybody wants to circle jerk about how if their parochial interest were  addressed, then Kamala would have won. 

Trump and his "Kamala is for they/them” didn’t didn’t win him the election. 

We have exit polls. It’s the economy.

If it was Haley v. Harris, Nikki would have put up Reagan ‘84 numbers. 

The big takeaway is that anybody who attempts a coup should be barred from running again, because voters have the memory of a goldfish. 

Obama ran with a platform AGAINST gay marriage. So did Clinton. WTF are you even talking about? This insanity only started in the mid 2010’s (gee, who won in 2016 again?) and came to a peak in the 2020’s. Maybe ask yourself why the Trump ad with "she’s for they/them” was beamed into the mind of every swing state voter in the country. Hint: it’s because it was effective.

Yes, it’s mainly the economy, but it’s also social issues. Immigration was the third most important issue to registered voters. 

And no, Haley would not have outperformed Trump. She is not liked by the Republican base and has zero name recognition to the general public. You might not like Trump, or his policies, but he is actually a good candidate from a pure electoral perspective. 

The big takeaway is that the Democratic Party is dogsh** and offers absolutely nothing to people. That’s it. That’s the takeaway.

AOC, to her credit, actually reached out to voters who went Trump but Dem down ballot. Did you notice she recently removed the pronouns from her Twitter profile? She took the hint, will the Democrat Party at large?