November 19, 2024Nov 19 35 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Damn right I did. Once again, you do not understand history. Your ignorance isn't surprising that you put this on all Putin. Baker promised to Gorbachev NATO wouldn’t move an inch eastward if they united Germany. 2002 we left the ballistic missile treaty, we put in missile systems in Eastern Europe. Two years later seven countries like Romania and Latvia were invited to NATO. Putin didn’t do anything. Skipping a few regime changes we were a part of in Ukraine Then the stupid idea of Ukraine being part of NATO kept being floated. Obama had the common sense not to pursue it during his first term, but Biden started it up again, and Putin invaded. If any country did that near us we'd have been at war a lot earlier. Is he crazy and bloodthirsty and a dictator? Yeah, but you don't keep giving one a reason or pushing him into a corner....like a after he says US missiles hitting Russia is an act of war and Biden says to send them. So laugh like the ignoramus you are 🙂 It reminds me of when you were laughing and promising to save the quotes of me predicting the EC correctly saying Trump was going to win. What did you ever do with those quotes you were going to shove in my face? How did that work out for you 😂 That's a lot of posting to blame the US and its allies for maintaining a strong defensive posture against a historically belligerent state actor. You realize how important the strength part of the peace through strength policy is, right?
November 19, 2024Nov 19 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: I'm sorry, how is it not American to want us into a war with Russia? Oh, WGB, please go down my list and tell me what the US would have put up with close to our borders. It's not praise, but it's the truth that Russia was restrained. For close to 30 years we pushed things east against our word. mayanh8, I just gave two examples you didn't know about. Decided to move on from proving further ignorance while trying to laugh? 😆 🤣 😂
November 19, 2024Nov 19 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: That's a lot of posting to blame the US and its allies for maintaining a strong defensive posture against a historically belligerent state actor. You realize how important the strength part of the peace through strength policy is, right? So how exactly was Russia a threat in the mid to late 90s when we were working with them while pushing east against our word? Why was breaking the deal in 02 and putting in missiles necessary? Again, we almost went to war in the 60s for missiles off our coast. What on that list would the US have put up with without going to war if they were putting missiles close to us?
November 19, 2024Nov 19 11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: mayanh8, I just gave two examples you didn't know about. Decided to move on from proving further ignorance while trying to laugh? When Stalin invaded Finland, he was officially allied with the one relevant dictator you are intentionally ignoring. And China isn't invading anyone, yet.
November 19, 2024Nov 19 4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: When Stalin invaded Finland, he was officially allied with the one relevant dictator you are intentionally ignoring. And China isn't invading anyone, yet. So you have nothing. Got it. Post WW2 they ignored it.
November 19, 2024Nov 19 6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: So you have nothing. Got it. You demanded I respond to you. I did. And now you're pretending like I didn't. You need professional help.
November 19, 2024Nov 19 11 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: You demanded I respond to you. I did. And now you're pretending like I didn't. You need professional help. You talked about Stalin pre WW2 not the genocide he committed after.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 25 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: So how exactly was Russia a threat in the mid to late 90s when we were working with them while pushing east against our word? Why was breaking the deal in 02 and putting missiles necessary? Again, we almost went to war in the 60s for missiles off our coast. What on that list would the US have put up with without going to war if they were putting missiles close to us? You'll have to ask all the former Soviet states who were eager to enter into a defensive alliance to bolster security for their citizens after spending generations under the thumb of Russians.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: You talked about Stalin pre WW2 not what he did after. Stalin was alive for a grand total of 8 years after the end of WWII. Unless I missed a few days of world history class, he never invaded another sovereign country after that. I don't understand what you are getting at.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Stalin was alive for a grand total of 8 years after the end of WWII. Unless I missed a few days of world history class, he never invaded another sovereign country after that. I don't understand what you are getting at. "Can you think of a time in history when the U.S., and the world, was faced with a choice as to whether they should push a bloodthirst dictator who was actively committing genocide into a corner" Well, they sat and watched him form the USSR while committing genocide in the millions after WWII, so yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Currently they are watching genocide in China. Hopefully, we can both agree that we hope nothing escalates and move on to fight about something else.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 It would be interesting if Putin gave a long range missile or two to a third party actor and they struck in Alaska.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: "Can you think of a time in history when the U.S., and the world, was faced with a choice as to whether they should push a bloodthirst dictator who was actively committing genocide into a corner" Well, they sat and watched him form the USSR while committing genocide in the millions after WWII, so yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Currently they are watching genocide in China. Hopefully, we can both agree that we hope nothing escalates and move on to fight about something else. The premise was finding a historical comparison for Putin, who is actively invading sovereign countries and wiping out their population. It's Hitler. You mentioned Stalin. He invaded neighboring countries as an ally of Hitler and the NSDAPs during WWII. Afterward, he spent a few years installing sympathetic leaders in Eastern European countries until he got sick and died. Maybe you can shoot me over a link referencing the post-WWII genocides Stalin perpetrated in his final few years after the war?
November 20, 2024Nov 20 6 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: The premise was finding a historical comparison for Putin, who is actively invading sovereign countries and wiping out their population. It's Hitler. You mentioned Stalin. He invaded neighboring countries as an ally of Hitler and the NSDAPs during WWII. Afterward, he spent a few years installing sympathetic leaders in Eastern European countries until he got sick and died. Maybe you can shoot me over a link referencing the post-WWII genocides Stalin perpetrated in his final few years after the war? DHF searching for a rebuttal.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: DHF searching for a rebuttal. Coming back from a hike. Have some patience According to a 1993 study of recently declassified archival Soviet data, a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag (not including labor colonies) from 1934 to 1953 (there was no archival data for the period 1919–1934).[17]: 1024 More recent archival figures for the deaths in the Gulag, labor colonies and prisons combined for 1931–1953 were 1.713 million.[15] According to historian Michael Ellman, non-state estimates of the actual Gulag death toll are usually higher because historians such as Robert Conquest took into account the likelihood of unreliable record keeping.[18] According to author Anne Applebaum, it was common practice to release prisoners who were either suffering from incurable diseases or near death.[19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/joseph-stalin.htm It continued after the war. So what were you saying TNT? It's also cute how he made the USSR and Stalin's rule seem like a friendly agreement where Soviet totalitarianism didn't exist.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 42 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Coming back from a hike. Have some patience According to a 1993 study of recently declassified archival Soviet data, a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag (not including labor colonies) from 1934 to 1953 (there was no archival data for the period 1919–1934).[17]: 1024 More recent archival figures for the deaths in the Gulag, labor colonies and prisons combined for 1931–1953 were 1.713 million.[15] According to historian Michael Ellman, non-state estimates of the actual Gulag death toll are usually higher because historians such as Robert Conquest took into account the likelihood of unreliable record keeping.[18] According to author Anne Applebaum, it was common practice to release prisoners who were either suffering from incurable diseases or near death.[19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/joseph-stalin.htm I'll make this real quick since you've decided to take us down a rabbit hole of what is and isn't genocide, which CVON has already done before ad nauseum, instead of being willing to explain to everyone why you sympathize with genocidal dictators... You can very clearly see what's going on there. Stalin stroked out and had a heart attack in '45. He was dead by '53. Also, the Gulag itself wasn't genocide. It was a tool sometimes used for genocide. Other times it was forced famine. Not everyone in there was a victim of genocide. It was their prison system. Anyway, I am not going to get trapped into arguing semantics. I won't pretend to understand why you tolerate Putin's invasion and genocide, even making excuses for them. I can only give the facts and show you that you're misinformed. If you want to continue to be a Putin apologist and shift the blame for his evil on Trump's political enemies, that's certainly your choice.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 57 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: I'll make this real quick since you've decided to take us down a rabbit hole of what is and isn't genocide, which CVON has already done before ad nauseum, instead of being willing to explain to everyone why you sympathize with genocidal dictators... You can very clearly see what's going on there. Stalin stroked out and had a heart attack in '45. He was dead by '53. Also, the Gulag itself wasn't genocide. It was a tool sometimes used for genocide. Other times it was forced famine. Not everyone in there was a victim of genocide. It was their prison system. Anyway, I am not going to get trapped into arguing semantics. I won't pretend to understand why you tolerate Putin's invasion and genocide, even making excuses for them. I can only give the facts and show you that you're misinformed. If you want to continue to be a Putin apologist and shift the blame for his evil on Trump's political enemies, that's certainly your choice. That's splitting hairs, but I think we agree to move on. Bottom line is I wouldn't want to be Putin when I die. I'm not defending what he did, but he was more restrained than I think the US would have been. We can agree he is evil, but that doesn't alleviate the US for their part in things since the early 90s. We can justify it as much as we want, but if Russia was doing it in LATAM/Mexico we'd have taken steps. My last point on Ukraine is escalating it now when both agreed to talk about peace is dangerous and irresponsible. There are only three outcomes and none of them help Ukraine win because they are never going to. 1 Nothing happens and we risked WW3 for no reason. 2 He launches something into Poland and NATO drags us into a war where our people die needlessly. 3 He sends something into US soil and WW3 happens. Unless someone honestly thinks the US jumping into war is a good thing how can anyone justify giving them the go at this point?
November 20, 2024Nov 20 29 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I don't know, man. Sex with a 17 year old while you're in your 30s seems pretty wrong. That's just me though.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 3 hours ago, Paul852 said: I don't know, man. Sex with a 17 year old while you're in your 30s seems pretty wrong. That's just me though. Missed the 80's through the 90's?
November 20, 2024Nov 20 43 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: CVON has officially entered its pedo defense era "Epstein was just misunderstood."
November 20, 2024Nov 20 10 hours ago, mr_hunt said: "So far" So many people need so much prison time. Soon.
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