44 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

That's a very friendly interpretation of Trump's remarks. 

Weird how Kamala is never held to the same standard. 

Trump lies literally 100s of times every rally and it's baked in and accepted as just Trump being Trump. 

He presents almost no details of policy - goals are not policy - and what little details he releases show him to be economically illiterate.

But please, yes, let's make sure we step back and hem and haw over what Trump meant, as if after four years of seeing him screw this country up and leaning into every negative lizard brain impulse we don't have a good idea of what this guy is about.

If Trump literally said that Putin is to blame, the that would be clear as day.  It’s not what he said though, but rather, what you’l think he meant.  Trump is rightly critiqued here for most of the dumb things he says.  People don’t need to put words in his mouth to make him look bad as he’ll do it on his own.

27 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If we treat blame as a pie chart, then assigning any level of blame to the US is absolving some portion of blame from Russia. Unless you think there's some other party that's to blame here, saying the US is partially to blame for the invasion clearly implies that Russia is not wholly responsible for it. Hence why Trump is absolving Putin to some degree of the blame. He's not absolving him entirely, but he's still saying it's not all Putin's fault alone.

I equate it to people upset with the US when there’s a conflict or a war going on elsewhere in the world.  If the US were to step in, they could probably end it.  Yes, the one who started the war is to blame, yet people will blame the US for not stepping in and ending it.

11 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

If Trump literally said that Putin is to blame, the that would be clear as day.  It’s not what he said though, but rather, what you’l think he meant.  Trump is rightly critiqued here for most of the dumb things he says.  People don’t need to put words in his mouth to make him look bad as he’ll do it on his own.

Do you have his full remarks in context?

1 minute ago, RPeeteRules said:

I equate it to people upset with the US when there’s a conflict or a war going on elsewhere in the world.  If the US were to step in, they could probably end it.  Yes, the one who started the war is to blame, yet people will blame the US for not stepping in and ending it.

Those people would be wrong too, because the implication that the aggressor isn't entirely to blame is lame and weak in those cases too. Especially when their actions are particularly egregious and unprovoked as they were with Russia and Ukraine. You're also making the common mistake of looking at these comments in a vacuum and ignoring a very long track record of Trump's apologetics when it comes to Putin. A list of comments he's made over the years that would be too long to fit on a CVS receipt. He hasn't deserved the benefit of the doubt in years, we should stop bending over backwards to give it to him. 

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Do you have his full remarks in context?

I tried, but couldn’t find it.  I would be interested to hear it though.  Context would likely help.

1 minute ago, RPeeteRules said:

I tried, but couldn’t find it.  I would be interested to hear it though.  Context would likely help.

I doubt that

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Those people would be wrong too, because the implication that the aggressor isn't entirely to blame is lame and weak in those cases too. Especially when their actions are particularly egregious and unprovoked as they were with Russia and Ukraine. You're also making the common mistake of looking at these comments in a vacuum and ignoring a very long track record of Trump's apologetics when it comes to Putin. A list of comments he's made over the years that would be too long to fit on a CVS receipt. He hasn't deserved the benefit of the doubt in years, we should stop bending over backwards to give it to him. 

I agree, I’m looking at this comment by itself without his track record.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

I doubt that

With how he flips from one topic to another on dime, there may not even be more to that quote from the rally.

1 minute ago, RPeeteRules said:

With how he flips from one topic to another on dime, there may not even be more to that quote from the rally.

It’s probably just more senile rambling.

"it’s the worst, the worst-I was talking to Ivanka and, the great Hannibal Lecture once said, you know, believe me, it’s the worst…”

17 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

I tried, but couldn’t find it.  I would be interested to hear it though.  Context would likely help.

Ok, so you're just assuming his remarks are better in context

5 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

I agree, I’m looking at this comment by itself without his track record.

And if we're trying to figure out the intent of the speaker when it might not be clear in this case, it's reasonable to consider what they've said in the past. I'm not sure we're really reaching that far to put words in his mouth when he's basically said those words in some form or fashion over the last few years.

15 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Ok, so you're just assuming his remarks are better in context

Often times, context does help when these tweets chop things down to such short clips. In this particular case though, I doubt more context will change much. He's almost certainly just doing his usual Putin bootlicking like he always does, "I asked Putin about it and he said he didn't do it." "The invasion was genius, he's brilliant." "He should invade other countries if they don't pay up."

43 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Ukraine should be a great issue for Biden and Harris objectively. Putin gambled poorly, thinking NATO would wilt in response to the invasion, and they've done anything but wilt.

True, for people who are in favor of forever wars and hundreds of billions of tax dollars to be funneled through the MIC, it's been a really great presidency. For people who prefer peace and diplomacy, not so much.

10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Ok, so you're just assuming his remarks are better in context

They might be, they might not.  I’m not assuming Trump meant Putin isn’t to blame for the war Putin started.

Wow, someone is framing the haitians in Bangor, too.  

 

28 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

They might be, they might not.  I’m not assuming Trump meant Putin isn’t to blame for the war Putin started.

I don't think him blaming "Biden's America" in that way would be very out of character.

There are times when I see Trump clips out of context and my BS detector goes off, but this one is pretty inline with statements he's made if you're paying attention. 

The issue is that people have stopped paying attention to the verbal diarrhea that spews from him.

As a nation, we're not equipped to deal with someone who overwhelms us with lies - lies that are pleasing to and feed into the worst parts of 1/3 of the nation - in the way that he does. He's a charlatan, and he's a man of such low character that he would rather bring the entire government down than lose an election.

The fact that we're in a place where almost half the country is on board with this guy is both appalling and disappointing. I have lots of policy issues with Kamala, but to me any election with Trump on the ticket IS the flight 93 election that the idiots who elected him back in 2016 were talking about. 

If Trump gets into office again he absolutely imperils our entire system of government. Full stop.

1 hour ago, RPeeteRules said:

I agree, I’m looking at this comment by itself without his track record.

This is the problem in regards to Trump apologists, and the press for the most part. His words do not occur in a vacuum and these statements are more of the norm than they are isolated comments. His words are the direct cause of the domestic terrorism being played out in Spingfield, and now he’s turned his sights on a small town in PA.  He has praised Putin for taking Ukraine, and literally said he’d let Putin attack our allies "If they don’t pay up.”  He’s a f'ing moron and a danger to this country, and no amount of apologizing changes that. 

42 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Wow, someone is framing the haitians in Bangor, too.  

 

1 hour ago, RPeeteRules said:

I agree, I’m looking at this comment by itself without his track record.

Why would you look at anything this guy says in a vacuum?

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

For people who prefer peace and diplomacy, not so much.

Which part of peace and diplomacy was a record setting number of drone strikes and tens of thousands of dead civilians?

You weirdos just need to admit the real reason you're mad at Biden about Ukraine: you had a "Biden's weak" talking point loaded in the chamber in 2022, expecting that Biden would do what Obama did and back down, and then Biden stood up to Putin and hasn't backed down yet.  He made you look like poosays and you're furious about it.

Creepy. Once a pedo, always a pedo

oof, tough to watch

9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Creepy. Once a pedo, always a pedo

Trump the sex predator gets off on grabbing children's tuchus. He has the psychology and behavioral profile of a depraved criminal.