20 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

My wife was watching a "reality show" yesterday about a bunch of lesbians giving each other ultimatums; might be worth discussing for a few days if movies and hunting isn't your thing .... 

 

On 6/24/2023 at 7:22 PM, BigEFly said:

What are you doing during the lull.  In the last two weeks, I have enjoyed the National Ranching Heritage Center, Fort Sumner and Billy the Kid’s grave, the corner of Route 66 and Rote 66, the oldest church in the US, Governor’s Palace, Bandelier, the history of the Atom Bomb, Pagosa Springs, the Million Dollar highway, Mesa Verde, Arches, Dead Horse, Canyonlands, the Uranium King’s house, a lake where you cannot hope to float, the world’s cleanest smelter, two passes over 11k, John Wayne’s favorite spot in Monument Valley touched dinosaur bones and drunk wines from IN, AR, TX, NM, AZ, UT and CO.  And points in between. There is snow on the mountaintops 

It’s hot in the Hill Country. Hope you are at the least cooling down by

 

My trip wasn't as exciting but I did fall in love with Olympia, WA for retirement. Here is a pick from a secret beach just above the California border in Oregon.

21 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The second that it was found out that the vaccine didn't stop the transmission of the virus after "they" told us it would really ended this argument in my opinion. Then it changed that it lowers your symptoms if you do get the virus, which I'm not saying is incorrect. I think the stigma of people deciding not to get it has worn off and people shouldn't be ridiculed if they opt not to get it. Especially considering that there are scenarios where people got it, had complications from it, and even died. I know those odds are very low, probably the same as someone getting a reaction from taking aspirin or some other innocent pill. But it has still happened to people. 

I got both shots originally, was always a proponent of people getting it, but that stance has changed where I'm okay if someone wants to take an individual assessment of what they are comfortable with. 

Looking back, I think the mandates were a mistake. I understand why they were done at the time, but we have the benefit of analyzing and changing an opinion as more time goes by. 

I would encourage to read the various articles on this topic on the CDC website.  I am not going to debate the reasonableness of a decision where overwhelmingly the reasons/risk is on one side of the equation.  Not getting the vaccine is fear based and the risk relative to other decisions we make in every day life is minimal.  Also, no one in the US was ever forced to get a vaccine.  They were only ever forced to make a choice about continued employment vs having the vaccine.  Those are business decisions. It is more tragic that people lost their jobs because they listened to propagandists and fear mongerers who profited at these people's expense.  

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

My trip wasn't as exciting but I did fall in love with Olympia, WA for retirement. Here is a pick from a secret beach just above the California border in Oregon.

Seems like a bit of a jump to take a swim.  

18 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Except that he ignored the OL during his tenure, outside of the Lane Johnson pick.

Lane was Howie's pick.  Chip wanted Dion Jordan.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Seems like a bit of a jump to take a swim.  

Sorry, here is the beach.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Lane was Howie's pick.  Chip wanted Dion Jordan.  

Indeed, but I was giving the benefit of the doubt to Chip.  Under his watch, Lane was selected, even if the Dolphins saved him from himself.

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Also, no one in the US was ever forced to get a vaccine.  They were only ever forced to make a choice about continued employment vs having the vaccine.  

Which is basically an indirect mandate. Get the shot or lose your job? Most people are not in a situation where they can just find another job. Might as well have been a mandate for those people. 

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The games missed risk due to covid is very, very low compared to actual injuries and probably even less than concussions which at the very least pulls you from the current game. There are other contagious illnesses that are every bit the "game risk" as covid, although the league has no policy to force people to sit out with those. 

IMO, people are trying hard to use this as an issue to have a "grudge" against Wentz. If people don't like him, fine --- don't like him. If they are glad he's gone --- great! He's gone already. Stop campaigning to get others to share their hate for the person. 

Wrong comparator. Injuries are independant of covid. The comp is risk of games missed due to covid vaccinated v unvaccinated. 

people throw around "hate” far too casually. Criticism is not hate. 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Which is basically an indirect mandate. Get the shot or lose your job? Most people are not in a situation where they can just find another job. Might as well have been a mandate for those people. 

Nah

just a question of priorities

1 hour ago, justwinbaby said:

Yet it was even mentioned that you can still pass along covid even if you get the vaccine and that it's purpose is to lessen the symptoms if you were to grt it. You're going to look down and ridicule those that don't get it regardless. So sure what you said. Don't let people make decisions for themselves. 

Subject matter experts exist for a reason

46 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Carson Wentz took a hunting trip. CLEARLY he isn't taking this seriously.

Reub decided to chime in with this nonsense. 

But I think what makes Wentz look so bad and why this photo sparked so much outrage is the timing of it and the current circumstances of his career. He should be in the prime of his career, but he’s out of work at 30, looking (unsuccessfully so far) for his fourth team in four years, 28-34 in 62 starts since he got hurt in L.A. in 2017, with three career postseason passing yards, and he's never seemed too upset or accountable about all of it. And this photo just adds to the whole tone-deaf nature of his recent career. Wentz didn’t break any laws, he didn’t violate any local customs, he didn’t do anything tons of other people haven’t done. It’s just that Wentz should have had a better sense of how this photo was going to come across considering everything else going on in his world. Just a bad look.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Carson Wentz took a hunting trip. ClLEARLY he isn't taking this seriously.

Reub decided to chime in with this nonsense. 

But I think what makes Wentz look so bad and why this photo sparked so much outrage is the timing of it and the current circumstances of his career. He should be in the prime of his career, but he’s out of work at 30, looking (unsuccessfully so far) for his fourth team in four years, 28-34 in 62 starts since he got hurt in L.A. in 2017, with three career postseason passing yards, and he's never seemed too upset or accountable about all of it. And this photo just adds to the whole tone-deaf nature of his recent career. Wentz didn’t break any laws, he didn’t violate any local customs, he didn’t do anything tons of other people haven’t done. It’s just that Wentz should have had a better sense of how this photo was going to come across considering everything else going on in his world. Just a bad look.

Is there a reason you keyed in on Wentz with that big list?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Is there a reason you keyed in on Wentz with that big list?

I posted the original tweet about Carson Wentz hunting and the people that were upset about it. I find it silly and don't understand the hate for Wentz. I was sarcastically adding Reuben Franks take on it that he just posted in his 10 Observations. 

Reuben Frank also just listed his top 10 Eagles QBs of all time.  It's clear he has an anti-Wentz agenda and we all know the raging hard on he has for Hurts. For the record, he has McNabb 1 and Foles 2. Hurts has a chance to be the best of all-time if he is the player we saw last year. 

6. Carson Wentz: What the heck do you do with Carson? You want him off the list? Wentz is somehow fourth in franchise history in passing yards and touchdowns, second in completion percentage and even fourth in wins. And he did go 11-2 before getting hurt in 2017 and without those 11 wins the Eagles aren’t the No. 1 seed and the Super Bowl never happens. But with a 24-30 record in his four other seasons here and no playoff wins and three career playoff passing yards, this seems like a good spot for him. It says more about Eagles quarterback history than Wentz himself that he’s No. 6 on the list.

5. Jalen Hurts: Hurts has only been a full-time starter for two years, but he has to be in the top five based on a 22-8 record since becoming the full-time starter in 2021, a near-MVP season and historic Super Bowl performance last year and a boatload of records that he set before his 25th birthday. He’s already one of only six QBs in Eagles history to take more than one team to the playoffs and he’s only going to get better. Sure feels like he’s a lock to be ranked higher if we do this again in a few years.

14 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I kind of agree with your sentiment. The "family” farm was sold to Ducks Unlimited, who are strong conservationists. But they are a bit narrowly focused on waterfowl environments that drive their focus of hunting those waterfowl. If the environment doesn’t favor or even harms some lowly species, like a snail or frog, they really aren’t focused there. They wouldn’t care if an invasive species of grass crowded out local grasses as long as the ducks like it.

I compare that to the invasive species fish we have deliberately stocked into streams and lakes across our nation, using our tax dollars to do so.  Take, for example, lake trout that were stocked into Yellowstone Lake. They are deadly to the native cutthroat trout.  lake trout hide in the depths whereas cutthroat migrate and are frequently found in the shallows.  Well, bears and eagles hunt in the shallows.  Less cutthroat trout hampers their diets. But lake trout are monsters and anglers love them.  Or consider brown trout, who unlike lake trout aren’t even native to this continent.  And we all love rainbow trout but out of their natural environment both wreak havoc on native ecosystems. 

But that doesn’t mean hunters and anglers are horrible and must be stopped.  There is a median.  Balancing between environmental zealots and trophy hunters.  I am generally opposed to hunting predators because in efforts to protect domesticated animals we have upset the balance.  That means rodents, pests, rabbits and deer are also over protected to our detriment.  

So Carson is welcome to hunt bear with the required permits.  So is Trent.  Controlled hunting can be okay.  Hunting wolf by helicopter? Hunting deer at night using lights? Hunting bear in dens during hibernation?  Nope, that’s a step too far for me.  Hunting an animal for a trophy or a picture without using it is wasteful unless there is a real control need or removing harmful invasive species.  Some "hunters” spread deer corn, place a salt lick and sit in a deer blind drinking beer until an animal comes along and some learn stealth  and how to get upwind and track an animal. The latter is a sport to me, the former is not so much to me.  Carson strikes me more like the former and Trent strikes me more like the latter.  I could be wrong.

One of the criticisms of unlicensed hog hunting in Texas is that it has promoted the spread of hogs because killing one hog individually causes the packs they roam in to split up.  Before a hunting policy can effectively be put in place, it's good if the science of the animal is understood.  Hunting is usually an environmentally sound way to reduce populations.    Almost all hunting is controlled by licensing and limits.  I don't know how environmentally concerned hunters are as a group but I think a lot of them do understand the need for controls on the manner in which wild animals are hunted.  

Wentz is going to hunt a bald eagle if everyone keeps it up 

What people think bears are like

 

What really happens

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3360938/worst-bear-attacks-world-horrific/

21 hours ago, brkmsn said:

So I don't understand the hate still directed at people that chose to decline. 

As Toast said, it isn’t hate, it is disgust.

Just now, mattwill said:

As Toast said, it isn’t hare, it is disgust.

 

Ita ignorance is what it is.  Someone else getting the vaccine or not getting the vaccine has absolutely impact whatsoever on you at all unless you're a stockholder for one of these pharma companies.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Wrong comparator. Injuries are independant of covid. The comp is risk of games missed due to covid vaccinated v unvaccinated. 

people throw around "hate” far too casually. Criticism is not hate. 

Injuries are independent of covid, but not necessarily independent of player decisions outside of football. Are we making players sleep in hyperbaric chambers when they aren't working on their game with the team in order to eliminate all non-work risk? What about colds, flu, and other contagious ailments that aren't regulated that can also cause a player to miss a game or play poorly (due to not being 100%)? 

As for games missed due to vaccinated vs unvaccinated, do you have data? Plenty of fully vaccinated personnel missed games due to covid. They weren't necessarily absent because they couldn't perform their jobs, but because the NFL's covid policy required it. 

How has 97.5 not replaced Tyrone and the rest of this awful show yet?  Easily the worst regularly scheduled sports talk show in the city.  What makes it worse is the other option is WIP which has Jon Marks who is just as bad.  Give me one of those things next year, either an entirely new set of people for this timeslot on 97.5 or replace Jon Marks on the show with Ike Reese.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

As Toast said, it isn’t hare, it is disgust.

What do you think of a person that has a couple beers at a football game and drives home? There are an awful lot of cars in the parking lot(s) and they aren't Taxis or Ubers. Of course a couple beers isn't likely to raise a blood-alcohol limit above what is legal, and there are other factors like eating, but it can still impair a person's reaction time. What about people that drive over the speed limit? They aren't the only people on the road and may have passengers at risk too. 

My point --- it's easy to be disgusted with other people or to pretend to be better or more perfect than someone else. It even makes us feel good to conclude we are better than the next guy for whatever reason. 

20 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Ita ignorance is what it is.  Someone else getting the vaccine or not getting the vaccine has absolutely impact whatsoever on you at all unless you're a stockholder for one of these pharma companies.

I am not even sure how to begin describing this irony…