10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Why?

 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

 

🤷‍♂️     Switch to backup WR, then.

49 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Lane also mentioned this comparison. Brooks was much wider and heavier but they're comparing different elements of their games, not size. But I like Steen, would've preferred him in round 4 or as a trade back option in round 3 but I get why they took him where they did and am satisfied there. I think he wins the RG spot in camp. 

All things being equal I'd rather see Tyler Steen get a year as the swing OT and have Jurgens get a full year as starting IOL before taking over for Kelce at C in 2024.  It all comes down to having the best 5 on the field, though.  If Steen beats out Jurgens in training camp at RG, so be it.  

The RB's complaining about money thing is going to get old quick. 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The RB's complaining about money thing is going to get old quick. 

They are considered expendable in the NFL.  I understand why they are upset.  The life expectancy of an NFL RB is very short... and if they are getting paid handsomely, as they used to, you never heard a peep from them.  BUT, to have an extremely short career AND low earnings... that's not an easy pill to swallow.  

Oh Mike, you must have been a crappy lawyer if you don’t understand the value of deadlines.  Sounds like he relied on Trump’s negotiation style (Art of the Deal) which is nonsense to most who actually negotiate for a living.  I truly loved states where a qualified offer of judgment carried weight.  The beauty of the NFL tag deadline is it hurts and helps both parties.  Because of that, this weekend both the Raiders and Jacobs and Giants and Barkley have guns to their heads to get a deal done.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/arbitrary-franchise-tag-deadline-for-doing-long-term-deals-needs-to-go

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They are considered expendable in the NFL.  I understand why they are upset.  The life expectancy of an NFL RB is very short... and if they are getting paid handsomely, as they used to, you never heard a peep from them.  BUT, to have an extremely short career AND low earnings... that's not an easy pill to swallow.  

Maybe then, the union should tier rookie salaries not only at the pick level but also the position level.  Of course, if I was the NFL, I would look for bust considerations in return.  

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The RB's complaining about money thing is going to get old quick. 

Well, shoot, here I just found another article about a running back complaining about money.  

And they think Josh Jacobs would be a good fit in Philly.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-jacobs-2023-nfl-free-agency-eagles-bears-among-top-landing-spots-for-leagues-reigning-rushing-champion/

From the article...

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Since Miles Sanders is now a Carolina Panther, Jacobs would be a seamless addition inside an Eagles offense that put up 35 points in the Super Bowl. The defending champion Philadelphia Eagles don't "need" anyone at this stage in the offseason, but coming up just three points short in the Super Bowl could cause general manager Howie Roseman to go all-in. 

 

While he was a Pro Bowl player last year, Sanders is not a volume runner. He had just two games last year that saw him receive at least 20 carries. He was largely invisible in the Super Bowl as he gained just 16 yards on seven carries. Sanders is good, but it seemed that the Eagles would have benefited by having more of a physical presence in the backfield. New offseason additions D'Andre Swift and Rashaad Penny have shown to be injury liabilities at higher carry volumes in their careers. Philly would be getting an every-down battering ram in Jacobs, who had at least 20 carries in nine games last year. Jacobs, who caught 53 passes in 2022, could also serve as a viable option for Jalen Hurts in the passing game. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Well, shoot, here I just found another article about a running back complaining about money.  

And they think Josh Jacobs would be a good fit in Philly.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-jacobs-2023-nfl-free-agency-eagles-bears-among-top-landing-spots-for-leagues-reigning-rushing-champion/

From the article...

 

That would be a ridiculous trio of RBs all on 1 year deals. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

🤷‍♂️     Switch to backup WR, then.

In fairness his receiving stats are basically of a backup WR or no. 3. Last 4 years he has 323 catches which is 81 receptions per year. And has 2765 receiving yards over those 4 years which is 692 yards per year on average. 

10 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Well, shoot, here I just found another article about a running back complaining about money.  

And they think Josh Jacobs would be a good fit in Philly.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-jacobs-2023-nfl-free-agency-eagles-bears-among-top-landing-spots-for-leagues-reigning-rushing-champion/

From the article...

Funny story -- when I was watching the 2019 draft and heard the Eagles had traded up from #25 to 22 my first thought was they were trading in front of the Raiders to draft Josh Jacobs.  Dillard didn't enter my mind right away.

Having said that, I think the Eagles might as well just franchise tagged Sanders instead of bringing in Jacobs.  I think their plan is to audition Swift and sign him during the season if he performs well.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness his receiving stats are basically of a backup WR or no. 3. Last 4 years he has 323 catches which is 81 receptions per year. And has 2765 receiving yards over those 4 years which is 692 yards per year on average. 

 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

 

It’s not but he essentially is putting up backup WR and starting RB numbers. So saying become a backup WR, he’s pretty much already doing it just at RB. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s not but he essentially is putting up backup WR and starting RB numbers. So saying become a backup WR, he’s pretty much already doing it just at RB. 

I don't feel the least bit bad for Ekeler; in fact, quite the opposite.  He signed a 4-year deal in 2020 and got $24.5M.  At $6.125M in 2020 he was in the top 7 paid RB league-wide, despite never putting up more than 557 yards rushing in a season.  He was already being paid for being a dual-threat RB -- certainly overpaid as a RB only.

I've always seen him as a tad overrated.  A very good player, but he doesn't make the Chargers a better team -- he's just a guy who gets the ball a lot.  The Chargers sink or swim with Herbert, Allen, Williams .... then Ekeler.  He tried to force his way out of LA this offseason and discovered there isn't a market for him to get a raise, so he continues to complain passively.  

Play out your deal, hit the market as a UFA, and the market will give you what you deserve.

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't feel the least bit bad for Ekeler; in fact, quite the opposite.  He signed a 4-year deal in 2020 and got $24.5M.  At $6.125M in 2020 he was in the top 7 paid RB league-wide, despite never putting up more than 557 yards rushing in a season.  He was already being paid for being a dual-threat RB -- certainly overpaid as a RB only.

I've always seen him as a tad overrated.  A very good player, but he doesn't make the Chargers a better team -- he's just a guy who gets the ball a lot.  The Chargers sink or swim with Herbert, Allen, Williams .... then Ekeler.  He tried to force his way out of LA this offseason and discovered there isn't a market for him to get a raise, so he continues to complain passively.  

Play out your deal, hit the market as a UFA, and the market will give you what you deserve.

I don’t feel sorry for him but he’s basically giving them no. 3 wr production and RB production so i see his point about it backups who are less talented or contributing less to help the team making more than him  

I’d argue ekeler is more vital than Mike Williams. last year Allen played 10 games and really he left 2 early so it was closer to like 8. Can make the argument he was more important than both in 2022 to the chargers winning 10 games. Mike Williams is perpetually hurt as well. Only 2021 did he play over 15 games. Last year he played 13. Besides herbert, in 2022 he might have been their mvp on offense. He put up 1637 total yards last year and 18 tds. The chargers were awful run blocking team (28th in run block win rate by espn) and yet he still averaged 4.5 yards per carry last year. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I’ve seen nothing alleging an agency or course and scope allegation but I can see why they shy away from that as more money in liability than WC and PIP and Helath Coverage would cover the medical. The joint enterprise argument is weak and the problem with that is there would be a strong argument that the participants in Lecroy’s vehicle were knowing participants in such enterprise.  Problem is this is not an organized race (and they won’t argue that due to the racing exclusion).  Thus is Carter liable because he was driving fast too?  I don’t see it.  Thus the leaving the scene argument, which I agree is weak and basically a joint and several argument. (Do you want to be the only culpable party with assets, Mr. Carter argument although quite possible that his car had minimal limits and those have been tendered already so they are arguing to Carter, not an insurer.). The most damning thing I have seen alleged is that Lecroy had four speeding tickets including super speeder.  That enhances the negligent entrustment claim.  

I think it will cost Carter some money (probably in the $100k range plus those minimum limits) and if I were him I would settle first, basically "funding” the remainder of the suits.  Personally, I view this sort of claim as borderline extortion, but there is some risk.  (The chance I ever serve on a civil jury is slim and none and slim just left the building.)

The negligent entrustment is the stronger claim.  The claim against Carter, I think, depends on whether there's similar racing cases.  He's not the deepest pocket.  He doesn't want to be left holding the bag and I imagine the whole thing would be likely to resolve at a mediation. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

The RB's complaining about money thing is going to get old quick. 

Meh - There's a long term concern that undervaluing the RB at the NFL level will cause elite athletes to play other positions.  I do think the rookie cap is most unfair to the RB position.  

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Funny story -- when I was watching the 2019 draft and heard the Eagles had traded up from #25 to 22 my first thought was they were trading in front of the Raiders to draft Josh Jacobs.  Dillard didn't enter my mind right away.

Having said that, I think the Eagles might as well just franchise tagged Sanders instead of bringing in Jacobs.  I think their plan is to audition Swift and sign him during the season if he performs well.

I think that's true but I also think Penny may end up with most of the carries if he stays healthy.  

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think that's true but I also think Penny may end up with most of the carries if he stays healthy.  

He’s the better runner of him and swift. Swift is the better pass catcher of the two. If i remember reading correctly swift was a decent pass blocker earlier in his lions career. I don’t expect either to stay healthy for 17 games but if they play the same amount of games I’d expect penny to lead the eagles backs in rushing yards and swift to lead the eagles backs in receptions and receiving yards. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think that's true but I also think Penny may end up with most of the carries if he stays healthy.  

It will be interesting to see the split in carries/receptions from the RBBC.  In Sirianni's first two seasons the RBs accounted for:

2021 -- 106 targets, 74 catches for 513 yards (6.9 yards per catch)

2022 -- 61 targets, 48 catches for 262 yards (5.5 yards per catch)

 

One can assume Swift will lead the RBs in catches if all are healthy, but where Sanders and Hurts got almost all of the carries last season, it may be a larger committee this year.  Gainwell got 53 carries and 29 pass targets last season; we will see how much his workload increases.

i never thought anyone would match the love dawk got universally from eagles fans. But kelce managed to do it. 

Random question:

If you had to pick two NFL teams since the early 90s who you consider the two franchises who’ve been most consistently good, who would they be?

I want to see if people say the two teams I’m thinking of.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Random question:

If you had to pick two NFL teams since the early 90s who you consider the two franchises who’ve been most consistently good, who would they be?

I want to see if people say the two teams I’m thinking of.

New England and Pittsburgh, with Green Bay right there.

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

New England and Pittsburgh, with Green Bay right there.

Mine were Steelers and Packers.