9 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

im getting completely crapped on in this thread by everyone else, every comment I make is getting 100’s of downvotes. but I’m not budging that I’m absolutely 100% right.

You cannot compare Kirk Cousins’ job to your 9-5, 40 hour a week IT job. He has a privileged position running a 40b$ product and he is being compensated exorbitant amounts of money for it. He committed during contract negotiations to do everything to make Minnesota a better team. There is a 0% chance that the Vikings would have signed him if he admitted in the interview that he will be taking his kids to the water park before the playoff game while Daniel Jones prepares at home to embarrass him on national television.

Pat Mahomes getting up 90 minutes before his kid to work on his throwing motion on his off day doesn’t make him a worse father. Jalen Hurts watching game film for 3 hours while his wife is at the spa doesn’t mean he doesn’t prioritize family.

It’s not a knock on Cousins. There are plenty of CFL jobs for a guy with this mindset. But he has a responsibility to his fanbase to be more than this. It is provable that increased preparation during the week will improve your QB play.

So he should work 7 days a week half the year?

5 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I don’t think it’s a matter of anointing Herbert. I think it’s more simply that he absolutely passes the eyeball test. Forget the W-L record (let’s not revisit the Matthew Stafford argument) and just watch the way the guy plays. He can do it all. 

Also, who the hell cares about fantasy football? 

I know fantasy has brought so much money, publicity and attention to the NFL over the years...but it's killed the NFL as a product overall IMO.  I've gotten flamed for my take before but the fantasy era has drastically changed the game so much that the game we all grew up to love is a shadow of it's former self and continually getting worse.

Wow Mina, it’s almost like you perfectly explained why it doesn’t make sense to pay a RB big money….

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think herbert would’ve worked well with Payton. Chargers might have folded in the playoffs but Herbert, ekeler l really why they won 10 games last year. Chargers coaching has been a disaster for 3 years. I know Payton is capable of getting an offense to play better than Staley and the chargers coaching staff now. They hired moore but I’m skeptical Dallas just let moore go. Feels like he was Jones’ young golden boy and then all the sudden he wasn’t 

frankly i think payton was dumb to take the broncos job and not just wait a year cause i think could be better places to go then Denver with Russell who’s a reclamation project after last year 

This is also JJ we are talking about.  Moore could flame out, but McCarthy has his ear because he can flash a ring to Jerry.  McCarthy should have been fired after his first season, or not given a second chance at all.  Jerry over the past 15 years or so has continually found the problem, and changed everything around it, while leaving the problem at the core.

34 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

So he should work 7 days a week half the year?

 

Jalen works 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.  The rent is due everyday.  

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Wow Mina, it’s almost like you perfectly explained why it doesn’t make sense to pay a RB big money….

 

I wonder what the solution is.  Only 2 year rookie contracts for RBs? 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

He went with Hill and that offense. His decision making is questionable to me

Just to point out, he went with Jameis Winston and Jameis Winston blew out his knee. They were 5-2 before Jameis got hurt. They were using Hill in gadgets type plays until Brees got hurt and Winston got hurt 

21 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

This is also JJ we are talking about.  Moore could flame out, but McCarthy has his ear because he can flash a ring to Jerry.  McCarthy should have been fired after his first season, or not given a second chance at all.  Jerry over the past 15 years or so has continually found the problem, and changed everything around it, while leaving the problem at the core.

Yeah, but if Jerry really loves a guy, he is going to keep them around. He kept Jason Garrett around for a while before he became the head coach. And then kept him probably longer than he should have. I tend to believe if Jerry Jones truly believes in so many and loves them even if people think he’s crazy, he is going to keep that guy around and do what he wants. He didn’t do that with Moore. He let him leave.

59 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

So he should work 7 days a week half the year?

It's 18 weeks.  I'm not judging.  Everyone is ultimately judged on their performance, not their work ethic.  Maybe that works best for him, maybe he could be better and isn't because of that approach.  Either way, he's a good but not great NFL starting QB. 

I do some level of work every day all year.  That's probably not a good thing come to think of it, but sometimes it has to be done.

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just to point out, he went with Jameis Winston and Jameis Winston blew out his knee. They were 5-2 before Jameis got hurt. They were using Hill in gadgets type plays until Brees got hurt and Winston got hurt 

I don’t think it was ever sustainable with Winston in that offense; he was completing about 56% of his passes and would have flamed out before long.  Going 5-0 with Teddy Bridgewater at the helm was pretty impressive, though.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think it was ever sustainable with Winston in that offense; he was completing about 56% of his passes and would have flamed out before long.  Going 5-0 with Teddy Bridgewater at the helm was pretty impressive, though.

Probably wasn’t but then again i don’t think Winston is that good nor was that saints team all that great. Having them at 5-2 and 5-0 with bridgewater is still pretty impressive. I don’t think hes gonna be great with the broncos. It’s a hard division to be in especially if Russ is actually done especially dealing with mahomes and herbert also lurking 

This is why running backs do not have value until the 3rd round.

If you miss...you missed.  If they get hurt and derail their career...they derailed their career.  If they are a hit...they are sitting out for a bigger contract before you know it...no RB wants to play out a contract.  And no team wants to give a RB a big second contract.  

It's a no win proposition.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Ya, especially when we all know it's a giant donut!

Actually, I think the simplest answer is the Mobius strip...

There is only one side to this shape.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

I know fantasy has brought so much money, publicity and attention to the NFL over the years...but it's killed the NFL as a product overall IMO.  I've gotten flamed for my take before but the fantasy era has drastically changed the game so much that the game we all grew up to love is a shadow of it's former self and continually getting worse.

Talking about football has also gotten way worse... and declining just as quickly.

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd expect both Jacobs and Barkley to hold out for most, if not all, of Training Camp. They didn't sign the tag so the team can't fine them anything for not showing up. I doubt either team lifts the tag and loses either for nothing or anyone trades for them, so it's going to be a showdown now of if they will hold out for the regular season. 

Well, let’s look at it realistically. How much do we think TC would impact either?  Were either team really going to have them do a lot in TC?   Pollard, coming off of injury, won’t do much more than them.  Good prep time for their backups. 

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Man, they are teaching US women’s Olympic soccer level of whining about pay. 

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

I know fantasy has brought so much money, publicity and attention to the NFL over the years...but it's killed the NFL as a product overall IMO.  I've gotten flamed for my take before but the fantasy era has drastically changed the game so much that the game we all grew up to love is a shadow of it's former self and continually getting worse.

Ok, I’ll bite.  What has fantasy football done to impact the game on the field?

20 minutes ago, paco said:

Ok, I’ll bite.  What has fantasy football done to impact the game on the field?

I think he’s projecting his own subjective experience. Fantasy has ruined football for him because he’s now too focused on box scores than enjoying the game

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

So he should work 7 days a week half the year?

It’s up to him, but when he doesn’t perform as well as the guys who do, that is a statement in itself. Football is a meritocracy

If anything fantasy football has made the league exponentially more popular. 

RB salaries shouldn't count against the cap.  Thata the solution. 

5 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

How does that work with the holdout?  I thought the deadline was today to sign to a new deal.  If they can't give him a new deal now until the offseason then what is the holdout for?  Skip the season? Wanting a trade?

The team has only offered a franchise tag to a restricted free agent. Until the player signs the tag they are free agents bound to 1 team but are not under contract and therefor not holding out as far as fines would go. Saquon can sign on October 10th if he wants and the Giants can't do anything about it. A player on the franchise tag has to report by the week of the 6th or 7th game/week (not sure which) to get credit for the season. I can't find a good article on the late reporting details ATM.

As long as they get credit then the next tag has to be 140% of the last tag and there is no 3rd tag. (edit: I may be wrong on this. They may have to pay Saquon QB tag money next year. It may be the average of the 5 highest at the highest paid position, so that's why only QBs get a 2nd tag (Cousins))

In theory the only thing the Giants can force Saquon to do is play about 65% of 2 seasons for about 16.8 million.

If the Giants pull the tag at any time then he immediately becomes a UFA.

 

Lev Bell was a fool who went past that deadline, took the whole year off, got paid nothing and later signed a worse deal with the Jets after Pittsburgh threw him out like the trash he was.

Saquon will have made 48+ million in 6 years at RB before endorsements and licensing, etc.

It cracks me up when people like Mina Kimes think RBs need some kind of financial help.

Its a QB league. QBs get paid 3 to 4 times what RBs do because that's how you win.

30 year old top 10 TEs get paid more than 30 year old star RBs because you can play TE until 35 or so and you are worn down at RB.

 

Play a different position if it makes you sad. The NFL is not hiding the financial realities of playing RB.

Saqoun's free market is to try to start his own league or knock on doors and see if he can play football in your yard with your kids for 100 bucks.

Playing in a sports league with limited franchises under a union contract is not the free market.

7 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I pity the fool that makes a joke with His name.