1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Looked slower when? I don't remember him having any snaps in offense to gauge whether he was quick or not 

On PR he was ok, we'll see if he gets any snaps this year on O if he even makes the roster 

19 snaps on offense in garbage time and unimpressive and slow on turns in that limited set. Thought you had the All 22.  Frankly, I loved it for looking at back ups and STs. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

Awesome video. I wish I could say the same about him playing last year. He looked a lot slower and had no real quickness to him last year for us

Almost like there's a massive difference between playing in the PAC-12 and the NFL.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

I like Scott but agree he's a JAG, I'd rather see what Sermon offers.

Having said that Scott had some good KRs.

Sermon has been a JAG so far.  He demonstrates limited vision and no burst step.  What is it that makes you want to see more of him. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brooks surpasses him as the #5 RB before the end of TC.

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Meh - In an offense that is going to target 3 receivers, having a 5th WR as a punt returner who is the best option to return punts isn't a terrible use of resources.  You could find a better all around WR but lose production because the primary role is to return punts.  That being said, he shouldn't have a guaranteed spot.  He was OK towards the end of the year.  

What if they didn't need him as a 5th WR at all, and they could keep an extra DB, or LB, or RB, or OT?  I'm not talking about only WR, but the entire roster as a whole.   Or, what if there's an injury to one of the top WRs, wouldn't it be better to have a better WR on the roster behind the top 3 than Covey?

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Sermon has been a JAG so far.  He demonstrates limited vision and no burst step.  What is it that makes you want to see more of him. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brooks surpasses him as the #5 RB before the end of TC.

Sermon has yet to prove he's a JAG so far.   Right now, he's one step from being Just a Grocery Bagger.  (JAGB)

Greg Cosell said on the latest ITB podcast that Jordan Davis has been looking good and much improved in these camps which was nice to hear. 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Passed his drug test?

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Passed his drug test?

Guess he is recovered from his sports hernia surgery. 

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Pace yourself getting back to lifting, Lane.

2 hours ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Boston Scott is more than capable of handling special teams duties.  We don't necessarily *need* Covey for anything. 

If a guy like Rambo or Haselwood, or even someone elsewhere like Ricks or VanSumeren shows something in TC, we shouldn't be losing out on that for Covey of all people. 

 

I wanna weight in Britain Covey for a minute. I've seen a few comments that need to be addressed. First of all, this notion that he fair catches too many punts simply isn't born out by the statistics. Throughout the league last year (regular season only), there were 951 punt returns and 607 fair catches. In other words, fair catches were made about 39% of the time.

Britain Covey returned 33 punts and fair caught 18 punts. That means he fair caught the ball about 35% of the time. Less than the league average. In other words, he's actually been MORE aggressive as a returner than average. So, basically, how the F would someone argue that he fair catches too many punts? Do you not watch the games? Or do you assume that because he's white, that's just what he does? It's fn absurd.

Furthermore -- and this is a big point -- Eagles opponents were significantly better than normal as far as punting/hang time is concerned. I know that no one in the world (outside of professionals) devotes more effort into timing and cataloguing kicks and punts than I do. I have data going back almost forty years on this crap. So I know WTF I'm talking about. Here is the average hangtime that Eagles opponents had between '13 and '21:

2013: 4.35

2014: 4.43

2015: 4.46

2016: 4.45

2017: 4.32

2018: 4.43

2019: 4.44

2020: 4.46

2021: 4.28

And then last year (2022, excluding the SB which I STILL haven't had the stomach to do yet), that number spiked up to 4.51 seconds. Significantly more than the norm. In other words, one would actually have expected the Eagles to fair catch MORE than the league average since their opponents were insane at hitting the ball high. But that wasn't the case.

Incidentally, Siposs averaged about 4.33 seconds last year whereas Kern averaged a pathetic 3.88 seconds. Siposs was respectable. Kern was not.

Furthermore, the league punt return average last year was 8.89 yards. Only three were returned for touchdowns. In the entire league. So basically Britain Covey tied for fourth (pretty good!) in terms of touchdown returns. Additionally Covey averaged 9.33 yards per return. Almost half a yard more than the league average. And that's excluding the Super Bowl where he did well. And while he muffed two punts (from my memory) he didn't lose a single ball all year. That's pretty damn good. Fumbled punts tend to be game altering plays.

So cut the crap. Covey did a solid job last year returning punts. He was above average in every damn metric.

5 hours ago, greend said:

Awesome video. I wish I could say the same about him playing last year. He looked a lot slower and had no real quickness to him last year for us

he was a rookie adjusting.  He did return punts and some kicks.   Did have a 27 yard punt return in the Super Bowl.   I'd say it was good.  I'd also say that Nolan Smith should be the kick returner and the punt returner if that was something he could do.  He has that size, speed, ras of 10.  Covey did a solid job,  he has some good speed and excellent agility,  but it's not 10 Ras Nolan Smith.  Nolan Smith had a 29 yard punt return in college.   Someone mentioned Ringo,  he had returns in high school but not in college. 

You know your team has problems when a leprechaun as the PR is the biggest thing to talk about for a few pages.  

4 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I want to see the RAS score of your daughter.  Also, Boston Scott is a competent back up that can catch and get yards running the ball.  Is he a JAG? I don't think so just because we have had situations where backups haven't been as productive.  He also has filled in at spots, like kick returner, and done a decent job.  He's an athletic RB that can make plays and he's low cost.  I don't see him having a bigger role.  I can see where he lines up in the slot to fill in for Gainwell or Swift on  formations.  I think he's competent enough as a receiver that he can fill the roles of other RBs lined up in non-RB positions.  He also probably has a better catch radius than Gainwell who has underwhelmed me as a receiver.  

I was pretty much in agreement until your last sentence. Gainwell is a much better receiver than Scott. That said, I expect Swift to be the leading receiver out of the backfield.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What if they didn't need him as a 5th WR at all, and they could keep an extra DB, or LB, or RB, or OT?  I'm not talking about only WR, but the entire roster as a whole.   Or, what if there's an injury to one of the top WRs, wouldn't it be better to have a better WR on the roster behind the top 3 than Covey?

I think the Eagles will have ex Sooners who have chemistry with Jalen on the practice squad in case of injury.

The Eagles also have a lot of versatile freakbeasts who can play some snaps at slot / fb or versatile back.   Nolan Smith.  They would not get a number like WR4,  WR5,  WR6,  but they could get snaps instead of Quez.   I don't remember Covey sucking,  and Quez did suck on occasion.

My preference is for a number of different players with different skill sets taking snaps away from Quez.  Covey would be on the list of Eagles taking snaps away from Quez. But I'm in favor of a long list.  And I'm in favor of a long list of Eagles who are trying to return kicks or punts.   It seems to me that catching a punt and returning a punt is harder than running through a hole in the line, especially for freakbeast ras types like Nolan Smith.  Some are suggesting that punters and kickers are better these days,  linebackers or other special teams coverage are faster these days,  all of which makes it harder on punt returners.   Ideally,  Nolan Smith can catch punts great, and for him,  running after catching the punt would be the easy part.   But any Eagle might in theory be a great punt catcher on top of the returning part.  I would like to see that.   I also think it would be smart to have a reliable punt returner on the roster, and Covey has been that,  and simply pointing out that someone is a 10 ras who should be a great returner if he could catch punts doesn't mean that he can catch punts good enough.   Hopefully one of the top ras guys could show up really well as an electric and powerful punt returner who is also a competent punt returner.   Might be easier to find top ras athlete who isn't quite reliable as a PR than a competent punt returner, which the Eagles already have,  and I generally think that the Eagles should keep the competent punt returner until the flash PR who the Eagles might find proves himself competent.  

Send Jalen Carter on go routes

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

I was pretty much in agreement until your last sentence. Gainwell is a much better receiver than Scott. That said, I expect Swift to be the leading receiver out of the backfield.

I just hope that Gainwell's or Swift's receiving skills actually mean something this year.  Steichen barely tapped into the potential our RB's had in the passing game, I hope Johnson opens that up more.

21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You know your team has problems when a leprechaun as the PR is the biggest thing to talk about for a few pages.  

your team doesn't have problems.   And it appears that basketball and hockey are the biggest thing to talk about for a few page.

Covey is not a problem that needs to be fixed but theoretically Nolan Smith, Kelee Ringo,  Carter or Davis any of those, or any Eagle could have a higher ceiling,  and it's even possible they could find one of those guys with an equal floor at PR.   I wouldn't be sure the Eagles would get that though.  

more video
 

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Send Jalen Carter on go routes

Versatile Freakbeast might be able to do that.  Or block better than any WR or RB or TE.

Carter had one receiving TD in college.

2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Versatile Freakbeast might be able to do that.  Or block better than any WR or RB or TE.

Carter had one receiving TD in college.

Ok I have to ask

What is a freakbeast?

7 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Versatile Freakbeast might be able to do that.  Or block better than any WR or RB or TE.

Carter had one receiving TD in college.

Yea, it would make sense to gas out your DT that would easily be covered 

If this is what we're doing, then the only sensible choice for PR and KR is Mailata. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ok I have to ask

What is a freakbeast?

hi ras, really great dominant athlete.  Charles Jefferson / Forrest Whitaker in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.   You've probably seen freak used as a descriptor and beast used in basically the same way. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, it would make sense to gas out your DT that would easily be covered 

Yea, I was indicating that in Carter's case, blocking would be  best.

The Eagles have something like 6 great DTs for 2 spots.  Looked at the Super Bowl snap counts.   Fletcher Cox and Hargrave had over 75% of the snaps in the Super Bowl,  and a whole lot of DT/DEs had 33% of the snaps or fewer.  

It's important to have a great rotation with rested, great DTs and DEs.   It's not really all that clear though that it's a rotation.   It's just the world best 3rd string.

I like Ben VanS as versatile back / ex Wolverines FB / maybe returner - because he is unlikely to have work on defense.

I like Nolan Smith as the same versatile back - because he is unlikely to have much work on defense.   Some people just want him on the edge rushing, and in the Super Bowl, Reddick had 85% of the snaps.  Not many snaps for Nolan Smith in 2023.  There will be some but I think there are snaps for versatile freakbeast Nolan Smith if they give them to him.