6 hours ago, devpool said:

I think someone else pointed it out earlier but the reason this is even a discussion in this country is because our women's team is far more successful than our men's team in international play and have been for a long time.  However, that's not the case in pretty much every other country and that's why the women's world cup only garners 10% of the men's. I think Americans overvalue it because our team is so great, when the overall product isn't as desirable in other nations with more successful men's teams or no women's teams at all.

I'm all for them getting a fair share of whatever the competitions bring in, but when they start comparing it to the men's competition that's where they lose me. I doubt the women's WC brings in half the worldwide viewership of the men's WC, and I'm too lazy to look it up

Yes that was me. And it's why I don't expect other countries to hold their own women's team in as high of a regard as we hold our own, and thus the viewership and revenue numbers to be less internationally than they would be domestically. But at the same time, I'd assume most people would see the disparity between viewership and the rights being offered for a hundredth of the men's being a complete farce.

9 hours ago, SkippyX said:

King Henry makes the Hall with 3 more good years (or 2 very good years) and 2 or 3 more stat compiles in a committee.

He's already at 8335 yards rushing 9375 total yards 78 rushing TDs and 81 total TDs. (just 2 rushing TDs from HoF joke Edge)

He's also got good playoff numbers and 3 playoff wins.

I'm not sure he holds up for that though.

 

Chubb has a chance if he goes for another 8+ years (impossible to tell)

That's it AFAIK

Henry is 29, him having 3 more good years would surprise me.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I have literally no idea why you think NFL players would make good soccer players, speed, balance and fitness are the only transferrables, none of them have any experience of any of the key skills for actually playing the game, just like Messi couldn't play Receiver or QB worth a toot on tin whistle.

The reason the US mens team is bad is because we don't take any mens team sport that the rest of the world likes outside track and field seriously, we prefer to call our domestic champions World Champions of games only America plays at any sort of level. With the collegiate system and the size of the available pool America could be more than competitive at Soccer with any sort of coaching talent and scouting, but it needs a culture shift to treat Soccer seriously that just isn't happening fast.

The reason the US women's team has been so good for so long is that we DID take the womens game at National level more seriously than anyone else for years before the current drive to popularise Women's football all over the world, chances are America will lose their advantage over the next decade or so.

I believe the point is our best athletes play and have interest in sports other than soccer as kids, so they play different sports and American soccer doesn't get the best athletes our country has like many other countries do. Nobody is saying field a national soccer team with football and basketball players lol.

 

 

 

Even more surprising..... not one void year on those 5 contracts.  

6 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I have literally no idea why you think NFL players would make good soccer players, speed, balance and fitness are the only transferrables, none of them have any experience of any of the key skills for actually playing the game, just like Messi couldn't play Receiver or QB worth a toot on tin whistle.

The reason the US mens team is bad is because we don't take any mens team sport that the rest of the world likes outside track and field seriously, we prefer to call our domestic champions World Champions of games only America plays at any sort of level. With the collegiate system and the size of the available pool America could be more than competitive at Soccer with any sort of coaching talent and scouting, but it needs a culture shift to treat Soccer seriously that just isn't happening fast.

The reason the US women's team has been so good for so long is that we DID take the womens game at National level more seriously than anyone else for years before the current drive to popularise Women's football all over the world, chances are America will lose their advantage over the next decade or so.

I think he means if they were to have played the sport as kids and stuck with it as they became adults, not literally transitioning to the sport as adults. Quite a few notable football and basketball players actually were dual sport athletes, off the top of my head, I know for a fact Suh and Olajuwon were. Heck there are soccer players like Lukaku where you can just look at their body type and easily envision them on a football field as a linebacker or tight end. I'd be willing to bet someone like Mario Balotelli would've been a pretty good WR if he was raised here instead of Italy.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

 

 

 

Even more surprising..... not one void year on those 5 contracts.  

"Austin Scott"

5 minutes ago, paco said:

Seeing Trey Sermon make more than Gainwell is sad.

10 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Grew up an Oilers fan and have lots of friends that were Oilers fans and many that are now Texans fans.  Titans were never Luv Ya Blue. Bum never tried to kick in the door in Tennessee. Wonder if Amy has the placard.  Mine is in my attic.  History stays with the fans.  There’s no Dawg Pound in Baltimore.  Unitas never played in Indy or followed by folks there.  It is nonsense for the Titans to play in retro Oilers jerseys.  Thing is, I think most fans get that.   Unfortunately, of the traitor owners, only Modell really understood that.  

How do you figure that?  The city of Cleveland sued the league, THAT is why the Browns ONLY got to retain their history in Cleveland, and the city was awarded an expansion franchise as quickly as the league could put another team into the league... and make an ODD number of teams.  NONE of that was because of Modell's magnanimity, nor the NFL's intent.  They went from 30 to 31 teams because the city of Cleveland took them to court.  And it took an additional number of years for the league to expand to 32 teams with the inclusion of the Texans to even it out again to bring the league to its current situation with the 'perfect' (As Rooney called it) 32... 16 per conference and 4 4-team divisions.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Now square that with the viewership numbers. No need to dig them up, it's right there in your article if we want to take Infatino's word...

"The viewing figures of the FIFA Women’s World Cup are 50-60 per cent of the men's FIFA World Cup, yet the broadcasters’ offers in the 'Big 5' European countries for the FIFA Women’s World Cup are 20 to 100 times lower than for the men’s FIFA World Cup," he added.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that (until this year), an organization known for shady backroom deals was more than content to accept obvious low-ball offers for the previously bundled women's rights that it would never have accepted if separately offered for the men's rights. 

Up until 2 weeks ago, no TV broadcaster was willing to show the Women's World Cup over here - I'd assume a mix of time zones and commercial viability made it unattractive..Few people will get up at 1am and 3am to watch sport; even the Ashes in Australia doesn't get great ratings in the UK - which is why they do day/night games to pull in revenues from the UK and India.

Also, broadcasters are more closely looking at what is shown on TV and the revenues they get from it.  We no longer show sport on TV that doesn't generate ratings - it is cheaper to show repeats of Homes under the Hammer or simulcast a news channel.  It's not just the women's game either.  England's U21 mens team won a tournament played in Europe recently,and only 1 TV broadcaster showed any coverage, and that was of the final.  You had to go on YouTube to see any highlights.

5 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I feel pretty confident that Jack Driscoll is a better backup lineman — at this point — than Dennis Kelly. However, I still think picking up Kelly is a good move. Because if Driscoll were to get hurt, which he often does, our backup situation could look pretty dire. 

My guess is that Kelly doesn’t make the 53 man roster out of camp unless there are injuries. But he would be a good add to the practice squad as someone who could be called up at a moment’s notice and play a game if needed. 

Driscoll has two major problems at OT.  1 - He has short arms.  2 - His body is made of glass.  If Driscoll is your top backup OT, you desperately need another backup OT.

Digging deeper into the viewership numbers, it's likely the offers for the rights were based on the metric for average live audience which is more in line with the disparity in prize pool money. 

For 2018, total viewership for the entire tournament was 3.5B (which is defined by at least one minute of viewing of any match), the final match had 1.1B viewers watching at least one minute, with an average live audience of 517M, and an average live audience across all 64 games of 191M.

For 2019, total viewership for the entire tournament was 1.1B, the final had 262M, with an average live audience of 82M, and an average live audience of 17M across all games. 

So an offer to sell the rights for a tenth of the men's isn't entirely unjustified, but these numbers still stand in stark contrast to the previous decisions to bundle the rights and "give them away for free" because allegedly nobody watched enough to justify selling them on their own. 

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/5fd80f719fbff8e4/original/rvgxekduqpeo1ptbgcng-pdf.pdf

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/2018-russia-world-cup-england-france-croatia-final-fifa-viewing-figures-numbers-a8694261.html

 

EDIT: I'm leaving out 2022 because using viewership numbers there is dumb for two reasons: 1) the 2023 world cup hasn't happened yet so it's not gonna be an apples to apples comparison until those numbers come out, and 2) it was a crowning achievement for the MF'ing goat, baby! No doubt the final will stand out as one of the best matches ever played, let alone the best WC final ever played. And it just so happened to include the best player to have ever set foot on a pitch finally getting the trophy that eluded him his entire career. Likely his last WC, same for crynaldo, and even other greats like Modric, and possibly Lewa. Needless to say it was anomalous in several ways.

NY Jets hopping on the throwback train. This video is from a promo shoot at their practice facility. Looks like the all-white NY Sack Exchange uniforms. 

 

6 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Up until 2 weeks ago, no TV broadcaster was willing to show the Women's World Cup over here - I'd assume a mix of time zones and commercial viability made it unattractive..Few people will get up at 1am and 3am to watch sport; even the Ashes in Australia doesn't get great ratings in the UK - which is why they do day/night games to pull in revenues from the UK and India.

Also, broadcasters are more closely looking at what is shown on TV and the revenues they get from it.  We no longer show sport on TV that doesn't generate ratings - it is cheaper to show repeats of Homes under the Hammer or simulcast a news channel.  It's not just the women's game either.  England's U21 mens team won a tournament played in Europe recently,and only 1 TV broadcaster showed any coverage, and that was of the final.  You had to go on YouTube to see any highlights.

Probably because you guys just suck and can't bring home any real silverware for the men's or women's. 

5 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I feel pretty confident that Jack Driscoll is a better backup lineman — at this point — than Dennis Kelly. However, I still think picking up Kelly is a good move. Because if Driscoll were to get hurt, which he often does, our backup situation could look pretty dire. 

My guess is that Kelly doesn’t make the 53 man roster out of camp unless there are injuries. But he would be a good add to the practice squad as someone who could be called up at a moment’s notice and play a game if needed. 

I think you need both Kelly & Driscoll. Kelly provides the back up swing tackle that was needed plus he could slide inside. Cheap, versatile, solid lineman. I think he makes the team quite easily actually. 

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Driscoll has two major problems at OT.  1 - He has short arms.  2 - His body is made of glass.  If Driscoll is your top backup OT, you desperately need another backup OT.

Lane Johnson left the Eagles - Cowboys game at 17-0 Eagles and the Eagles on the Cowboys 20. The next FG was on Johnson.

The scored 6 points the rest of the game because Driscoll is one of the worst players in the NFL.

They need to define a below replacement level stat to best appreciate how awful he is.

Thank God our best athletes don't play soccer.  God awful sport right up there with baseball.

16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So an offer to sell the rights for a tenth of the men's isn't entirely unjustified, but these numbers still stand in stark contrast to the previous decisions to bundle the rights and "give them away for free" because allegedly nobody watched enough to justify selling them on their own. 

You can sell things for as much as you want, that doesn't mean you'll find a buyer. If you have to give something away, it means there were no buyers. Face it, broadcasters want to profit too. If the numbers gave them confidence that they'd pull in a better profit with a certain product than another, they will go with that product. It is not the broadcaster's job to make the product succeed. If it is, then they should own that product. 

17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Probably because you guys just suck and can't bring home any real silverware for the men's or women's. 

Haha, Jules Rimet will always be gleaming for England...  If the men's team had a real manager and not a prat in waistcoat, we'd have won something over the past few years.  Seeing as we do, we didn't. 

I've never forgiven you lot for that Diana Ross penalty.in 1994 🤣

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You can sell things for as much as you want, that doesn't mean you'll find a buyer. If you have to give something away, it means there were no buyers. Face it, broadcasters want to profit too. If the numbers gave them confidence that they'd pull in a better profit with a certain product than another, they will go with that product. It is not the broadcaster's job to make the product succeed. If it is, then they should own that product. 

Right, nobody wanted to buy rights to sporting events that are viewed by 1.1B people.  

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Right, nobody wanted to buy rights to sporting events that are viewed by 1.1B people.  

... did they have to give it away?

4 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Haha, Jules Rimet will always be gleaming for England...  If the men's team had a real manager and not a prat in waistcoat, we'd have won something over the past few years.  Seeing as we do, we didn't. 

I've never forgiven you lot for that Diana Ross penalty.in 1994 🤣

No idea what this was in reference to so I had to google it. And I'm glad I did, that was pretty good.  

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No idea what this was in reference to so I had to google it. And I'm glad I did, that was pretty good.  

It's special isn't it?

 

4 minutes ago, paco said:

I'm going to have to agree. He's too old to play today. Maybe with Copper Fit ...

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

... did they have to give it away?

FIFA (same organization known for their long established history of upstanding and above board business practices) bundled them with the men's rights. It's like saying you're getting a "free" coffee in the waiting room of your dealership that charges you a ridiculous mark-up for any service on your vehicle. Or getting an extra 20% more product "for free" when you buy a box of cereal marketed as such. If you really think something that is viewed by that many people literally had zero value then I have a bridge to sell you that comes with a toll booth "for free!"