21 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Generally speaking, the Steelers aren’t stupid. Under normal circumstances they’re not going to let a talented player out of their building. I think the most we can realistically expect from Edmunds is that he doesn’t suck back there. That’s probably not going to be the case for Wallace unfortunately. I’ve seen enough of him by now to know he's no good.

Javon Hargrave says hi

1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

Not heard much about Sydney Brown - thought he be making some waves by now

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-safety-sydney-brown-practice-depth-chart

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I understand where you are coming from and Turner's expected to be among the elite players in MLB. 

That said, his WAR for the year is still +0.9 - meaning having him play SS over a replacement level player (On both offense and defense) means that he technically hasn't "cost us" any games.  He's helped us win almost 1 game more - over a replacement level player. 

Now all that said, a player making what he's making should have a much higher WAR, closer to 5.0.  So going by that metric, he has cost us close to 3-4 games based on what a player of "his level" is EXPECTED to do.  

 

Hope that helps. 

 

Nah.  He cost them the game just last night by not getting in front of the ground ball that enabled the catcher to score to tie the game... again.

As for the WAR, I couldn't care less about that stat.  It's voodoo.  That's completely meaningless.  As I said, there's a handful of games where if he was playing at his average level for the year, we'd have won about 5 games.  He didn't get an error for his pathetic effort on that ground ball yesterday, but he definitely failed at his most important job on that play.  He also allowed a run to score on a play where he went to first where a DP was possible.    He definitely can be blamed for that loss, specifically.  

Hopefully he gets his head out of his pants and starts to play better down the stretch and into the playoffs.  Given that they didn't add another right handed bat at the deadline, they need Turner, Castellanos and Realmuto to step up.

Good news on Turner, albeit minor... He's hitting the ball to the opposite field today, not just pulling everything on the ground to the left side like he has been most recently.  If he can do that and stay back on the baseball a little more, he might find a way to bring that BA back up to about 0.250... which would still be his lowest BA since his first year in the MLB (and considerably below his career average), but it would be marked improvement over where he is right now.

Welp. We got our every other day 10 bullet points from training camp, might as well read something interesting since Eagles camp coverage sucks  

 

Just realized football is back lol

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Just realized football is back lol

Well, the baseball team is a wildcard team because one guy is playing poorly -- or else they'd be a wildcard team.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Or it means they view him as a backup this year, which is the easy answer. If there was a competition at rg, he wouldn't be burning practice reps moving around. It makes zero sense to do that. 

Sure it does. He played most of his college career at LT so there's no reason not to give him reps there to see how he handles it against our edge rushers. He's still getting reps at RG. The more he understands what the other OL do, the better he can interact with them. Finally, we dress eight OL on game day, which means we need guys who can play more than one position. If Kelce gets dinged, I expect Jurgens moves to center and Steen would go in at RG. I expect that if the season started today we would dress Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Jurgens, Johnson, Driscoll, and Kelly. That leaves one slot open and I expect Stoutland wants to see if Steen is ready to be the eighth guy. Steen, after all, has played LT more than any of the backups aside from Kelly and Kelly figures to be primarily Lane's backup, not Mailata's.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  He cost them the game just last night by not getting in front of the ground ball that enabled the catcher to score to tie the game... again.

As for the WAR, I couldn't care less about that stat.  It's voodoo.  That's completely meaningless.  As I said, there's a handful of games where if he was playing at his average level for the year, we'd have won about 5 games.  He didn't get an error for his pathetic effort on that ground ball yesterday, but he definitely failed at his most important job on that play.  He also allowed a run to score on a play where he went to first where a DP was possible.    He definitely can be blamed for that loss, specifically.  

Hopefully he gets his head out of his pants and starts to play better down the stretch and into the playoffs.  Given that they didn't add another right handed bat at the deadline, they need Turner, Castellanos and Realmuto to step up.

WAR takes into account every play on both offense and defense that a player makes.  Meaning that for the 5 games he's "blown" there were likely 6 games that he's helped us win. (Over a replacement level player)  (That simplifies it but you get the point). 

We both agree that even playing at his "average level" he should be doing much better than that.  All Star level players should have at least a 5.0 (or better) WAR.  Meaning that for the 5 games he's "blown" he should have been a key player in winning 10+ or more games - and he hasn't done that. 

Either way, I think everyone (including Turner) agrees that he needs to get better. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, the baseball team is a wildcard team because one guy is playing poorly -- or else they'd be a wildcard team.

I don't watch baseball

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Either way, I think everyone (including Turner) agrees that he needs to get better.

exactly -- and IMO, BS scapegoating from Sheil is only a barrier to that end.  

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't watch baseball

women's soccer?

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

WAR takes into account every play on both offense and defense that a player makes.  Meaning that for the 5 games he's "blown" there were likely 6 games that he's helped us win. (Over a replacement level player)  (That simplifies it but you get the point). 

We both agree that even playing at his "average level" he should be doing much better than that.  All Star level players should have at least a 5.0 (or better) WAR.  Meaning that for the 5 games he's "blown" he should have been a key player in winning 10+ or more games - and he hasn't done that. 

Either way, I think everyone (including Turner) agrees that he needs to get better. 

That replacement player nonsense you keep espousing means calling a kid up from AAA, not the average MLB SS, which is basically what the tweet in question was comparing him to asking for him to play at a C- level.  Moving on.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

women's soccer?

Tried to get into soccer but couldn't. Only football

So I'll usually just scroll through the posts of hockey and baseball in here

13 minutes ago, just relax said:

Sure it does. He played most of his college career at LT so there's no reason not to give him reps there to see how he handles it against our edge rushers. He's still getting reps at RG. The more he understands what the other OL do, the better he can interact with them. Finally, we dress eight OL on game day, which means we need guys who can play more than one position. If Kelce gets dinged, I expect Jurgens moves to center and Steen would go in at RG. I expect that if the season started today we would dress Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Jurgens, Johnson, Driscoll, and Kelly. That leaves one slot open and I expect Stoutland wants to see if Steen is ready to be the eighth guy. Steen, after all, has played LT more than any of the backups aside from Kelly and Kelly figures to be primarily Lane's backup, not Mailata's.

I agree with this. The original point wasn't that I thought it was a bad idea to cross train a backup lineman. I was simply pointing out that him being crosstrained was a pretty clear sign that the competition for the right guard spot was over, since you wouldn't waste valuable reps with your rookie starting right guard at left tackle.

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

women's soccer?

Have a hard time watching a sport when they are celebrating a 0-0 tie. 

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Good news on Turner, albeit minor... He's hitting the ball to the opposite field today, not just pulling everything on the ground to the left side like he has been most recently.  If he can do that and stay back on the baseball a little more, he might find a way to bring that BA back up to about 0.250... which would still be his lowest BA since his first year in the MLB (and considerably below his career average), but it would be marked improvement over where he is right now.

The thing that’s frustrating with Turner is he’ll have like 7-9 really good at bats looking like he’s seeing the ball better and better at bats in general. Then he goes right back into bad habits the next 25-30 at bats. Like pirates series he was taking some pitches he usually chased and he was at one point 3-9 with 2 BB and then all sudden he’s back to this. 

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

I agree with this. The original point wasn't that I thought it was a bad idea to cross train a backup lineman. I was simply pointing out that him being crosstrained was a pretty clear sign that the competition for the right guard spot was over, since you wouldn't waste valuable reps with your rookie starting right guard at left tackle.

Another point is that if Steen shows he can be a backup guard and tackle, there is a pretty good chance he could eventually be the starting RT after Lane retires.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The thing that’s frustrating with Turner is he’ll have like 7-9 really good at bats looking like he’s seeing the ball better and better at bats in general. Then he goes right back into bad habits the next 25-30 at bats. Like pirates series he was taking some pitches he usually chased and he was at one point 3-9 with 2 BB and then all sudden he’s back to this. 

Crazy thought but maybe they should just give him the series against the Royals off and let Castro play SS.  Let him get away from it for a bit... rest... and maybe clear his head.  AND it would keep him from hearing it from the Philly fans at the Bank.

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

exactly -- and IMO, BS scapegoating from Sheil is only a barrier to that end.  

Honestly the BP yesterday was just as horrific as Turner. Everyone piled on Turner cause it was the most recent bing and it cost them the game in the 11th. However the bullpen prior to that blew a 3 run then 2 run lead. Strahm, Hoffman, soto and kimbrel gave up 5 runs (4ER), 6 hits and 3 BB in 4 innings. Covey got screwed by turner in the 11th. Otherwise he was the only one that was competent yesterday. Turner deserved the ire for his season long issues but BP yesterday deserved more ire than they got. They were just as awful 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Crazy thought but maybe they should just give him the series against the Royals off and let Castro play SS.  Let him get away from it for a bit... rest... and maybe clear his head.  AND it would keep him from hearing it from the Philly fans at the Bank.

The other side is it’s the royals. They are awful so if there ever was a series to get him going it would be that. I’m guessing that’s how Thomson will view it. Frankly thought with cueto pitching today that he should’ve been off and give him a break.

frankly fans are going to boo him until he turns it around. Although i was surprised last year when they supported bohm the next day after he said he hated this place.  

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Have a hard time watching a sport when they are celebrating a 0-0 tie. 

 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That replacement player nonsense you keep espousing means calling a kid up from AAA, not the average MLB SS, which is basically what the tweet in question was comparing him to asking for him to play at a C- level.  Moving on.

Sort of.  "Replacement level player" would mean a AAA call up or a "readily available" free agent, bench player, etc - meaning non-starter. 

An "average" MLB starter should have around a 2.0 WAR.  And yep, he's slightly below that mark - meaning he's actually playing at around a "C-" level.  (And he should be doing much better than that, especially based on him being an expected perennial All-Star level player.)

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The other side is it’s the royals. They are awful so if there ever was a series to get him going it would be that. I’m guessing that’s how Thomson will view it. Frankly thought with cueto pitching today that he should’ve been off and give him a break.

frankly fans are going to boo him until he turns it around. Although i was surprised last year when they supported bohm the next day after he said he hated this place.  

Bohm was just letting off some steam... I think the fans got that.

 

Big spot for Turner here...  but once again, he doesn't get it done with RISP.  

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Sort of.  "Replacement level player" would mean a AAA call up or a "readily available" free agent, bench player, etc - meaning non-starter. 

An "average" MLB starter should have around a 2.0 WAR.  And yep, he's slightly below that mark - meaning he's actually playing at around a "C-" level.  (And he should be doing much better than that, especially based on him being an expected perennial All-Star level player.)

No, he's definitely not.  Not by any actually meaningful stat.   Even according to that own stats meaning, he's playing at a BACKUP level, not starter level and definitely not at an average starter level.

He's been bad.  He can be better and has been pretty much his entire career.  If he raises his average to 0.275 the rest of the way and finds a way to actually hit with RISP, it would be huge for the team.