3 hours ago, TEW said:

The 2006 Eagles were 5-1 with Garcia, 6th in scoring and 1st in the entire NFL in yards per play.

you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The 2006 Eagles with McNabb (not counting the Titans game, nor am I including the Titans game in the Garcia column even though he played a lot more of the game) averaged about 40 yards more per game (I have it at 410 vs 369, though it's possible I'm not incorporating sack yardage precisely the way the league does it) and averaged 6.5 yards per game, which was higher than the 6.2 yards per game for Garcia.

Also, the Eagles averaged more points per game in McNabb's games compared to Garcia's games, when you exclude the Titans game where McNabb played significantly less than Garcia. I have it at 25.9 vs 25.6.

So if you're going to argue that the Eagles offense with Garcia was great that year, you should be willing to admit that the offense with McNabb was better.

Also, why are you including the Falcons game as a "win" for Garcia when he completed 1-of-3 passes before giving way to A.J. Feeley once the Eagles had officially clinched the division title? By rights, he should be considered 4-1, not 5-1.

Basically I think you're overrating Garcia's stats.

seems like there is an endless supply of generic football talk.

So here's a video of Britain Covey running a lot as a High School QB. 
 

 

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The 2006 Eagles with McNabb (not counting the Titans game, nor am I including the Titans game in the Garcia column even though he played a lot more of the game) averaged about 40 yards more per game (I have it at 410 vs 369, though it's possible I'm not incorporating sack yardage precisely the way the league does it) and averaged 6.5 yards per game, which was higher than the 6.2 yards per game for Garcia.

Also, the Eagles averaged more points per game in McNabb's games compared to Garcia's games, when you exclude the Titans game where McNabb played significantly less than Garcia. I have it at 25.9 vs 25.6.

So if you're going to argue that the Eagles offense with Garcia was great that year, you should be willing to admit that the offense with McNabb was better.

Also, why are you including the Falcons game as a "win" for Garcia when he completed 1-of-3 passes before giving way to A.J. Feeley once the Eagles had officially clinched the division title? By rights, he should be considered 4-1, not 5-1.

Basically I think you're overrating Garcia's stats.

I would agree we were better with McNabb. He was obviously a better player.

I was talking about AR putting together capable offenses with a wide variety of QBs. It wasn’t meant to be a praise of Garcia, but a praise of Andy Reid.

Yes, we changed our offense after McNabb got hurt. We leaned on Westbrook and Shawn Andrews. We played a more ball control style.

That’s what good coaches do — adapt to their player’s strengths and limitations. McNabb was always a "big play” QB who used his arm strength and running ability. Garcia was more of a traditional WCO type who had better ball placement on short passes and, while reasonably mobile, wasn’t going to run circles around a defense.

The point is AR had a playoff caliber offense with his backup playing 1/3 of the season.

46 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yeah I don't want to hear any of that.

Just let him be Sydney Brown and not have to live up to one of the most beloved eagles of all time.

 

Thank you.  Couldn’t be better said

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

It's always kinda funny to me that Larry Fitzgerald rarely gets brought up in these "best WR" conversations despite being second all time in both receptions and yards. I'm not saying I disagree, he's not the top of my list either.  But a part of me always thinks maybe we (myself included) overvalue freakish traits sometimes over technique consistency and longevity. 

Moss is probably the best of the last 20 years but Larry isn't far behind and what puts him ahead in my book was his humble work ethic. He was never a diva and mostly just went about his work quietly. He had Kurt the SB year but he had some horrible ones yet still produced. If I was drafting from the list to put one on the Eagles I might pick him for those intangibles. 

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

It's always kinda funny to me that Larry Fitzgerald rarely gets brought up in these "best WR" conversations despite being second all time in both receptions and yards. I'm not saying I disagree, he's not the top of my list either.  But a part of me always thinks maybe we (myself included) overvalue freakish traits sometimes over technique consistency and longevity. 

Larry Fitzgerald is my favorite WR of all time. Yes, I'm probably one of the younger people here but like what was stated a bit earlier his attitude and grace off the field were absolutely unmatched, on top of being great for a very long time. I'd say he's easily top 10 all tike and you could probably argue top 5 quite easily. 

Rice

Moss

megatron

Fitz

TO

He may not be the greatest ever, but he is definitely going into the HOF and I will cheer when he does.

6 hours ago, TEW said:

Wouldn’t Jerry Rice, who basically everyone agrees is the greatest receiver of all time, kind of contradict this notion? He was the ultimate technique guy. Plus Larry Fitzgerald was huge with great body control. It wasn’t like he didn’t have some freakish physical traits. For reference he was 6’3” 225 pounds and ran a 4.48 forty at his pro day. Those are pretty darn good numbers.

Fitz' issue is the team he played for.  

10 hours ago, TEW said:

The 2006 Eagles were 5-1 with Garcia, 6th in scoring and 1st in the entire NFL in yards per play.

you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Thanks for the laugh

8 hours ago, SkippyX said:

I created that thread as a snarky protest and fully expected snark back. I got plenty. Its going to take more than being called a bish for me to report someone. I'm 99% sure I did not report you but if you are going to break the TOS in the first couple of posts of a new thread maybe the Mods just saw it? I had no idea you were suspended. A mod was the 6th or 7th reply and locked the thread.

AFAIK I have used report 3 or 4 times since I returned. I would guess I was 1 of 10+ for at least 2 of them.

The SD Chargers butt icon guy stalked me and dropped a meme with the F U spelled out in it right after I told him to back off. I will proudly report that 24/7/365. ( I had warned him several times to back off the insults)

His buddy (someone from NC maybe? Red Something?) about a month earlier was on a stalking spree and I think something like 10 of us reported him. (many of us had warned him several times to back off the insults)

People left the boards over those guys. I heard stories of classic and respected people who were long gone because of their behavior.

Someone said something insanely vile one time and I think I was surprised but they were already gone and the comment quickly disappeared.  I did not report that time but I think 10 other people did so there was no need. If they stayed and kept doing it I am sure I would have reported them.

Fart Joke Guy going Ranter Only had nothing to do with me. He's mildly amusing most of the time and I can put him on ignore if he's getting too saucy.

Its possible that fart joke guy was the guy from the 3rd case but I have no idea. I don't hold onto that stuff.

 

Maybe someone used the C word at me with spacing once and I reported them? I'm not sure but I would. If that was you then don't do that.

 

I'm much more likely to insult your argument, use ignore, or give you a link that supports my point than to report you. I might come back with a 20 line defense of my point.

The Report function is only a last resort. I could not tell you 80% of the rules but I don't tolerate direct and repeated harassment after I have said back off

I rarely even have to say back off and 99% of people do back off.

 

Yeah no shot I’m reading all of that ya nerd

10 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I hear the Moss argument... but I don't know that there was something that Moss could do that Megatron couldn't do.  

 

Hard to compare... but Megatron has a higher reception per game rate (5.4 vs. 4.5), higher yards per game (86.1 vs. 70.1), yards per target (8.9 vs. 8.8) and yards per reception (15.9 vs 15.6).   Oh, and more rushing yards on fewer attempts, for whatever good that means, and a rushing TD.  Moss had none.
Moss has higher Tds/game (0.71 vs. 0.61), higher catch % (56.4% vs. 55.7%).

Moss was 1st team All-Pro 4x.  Megatron was 1st team All-Pro 3x, 2nd team AP 1x.   
Moss was a Pro Bowler 6 times.  Megatron was a Pro Bowler 6 times (all consecutive for his last 6 seasons).... 

 

And then the big question... Megatron retired during his prime.  What could he have done if he continued to play another 4-5 years?  It's projection, so no one can know.  

But, for my money, I'd take a prime Calvin Johnson over any WR in their prime not named Jerry Rice.

1. Megatron

2. Rice

3. Moss

4. Fitz

5. TO

My personnel opinion.

10 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Now explain your behavior last time. Was it a frame job or were you over the top offensive? I rarely report anyone and have no idea if I reported you. Are you on a 2nd account?

AFAIK I have never even had you on ignore.

 

I will warn the new crew that is starting to lay off harassing me about my previous valid reporting of people for harassment.

If 5 of you think its cool and fun you will just wind up being the new punks.

Its weaksauce straw man BS.

9 hours ago, SkippyX said:

I created that thread as a snarky protest and fully expected snark back. I got plenty. Its going to take more than being called a bish for me to report someone. I'm 99% sure I did not report you but if you are going to break the TOS in the first couple of posts of a new thread maybe the Mods just saw it? I had no idea you were suspended. A mod was the 6th or 7th reply and locked the thread.

AFAIK I have used report 3 or 4 times since I returned. I would guess I was 1 of 10+ for at least 2 of them.

The SD Chargers butt icon guy stalked me and dropped a meme with the F U spelled out in it right after I told him to back off. I will proudly report that 24/7/365. ( I had warned him several times to back off the insults)

His buddy (someone from NC maybe? Red Something?) about a month earlier was on a stalking spree and I think something like 10 of us reported him. (many of us had warned him several times to back off the insults)

People left the boards over those guys. I heard stories of classic and respected people who were long gone because of their behavior.

Someone said something insanely vile one time and I think I was surprised but they were already gone and the comment quickly disappeared.  I did not report that time but I think 10 other people did so there was no need. If they stayed and kept doing it I am sure I would have reported them.

Fart Joke Guy going Ranter Only had nothing to do with me. He's mildly amusing most of the time and I can put him on ignore if he's getting too saucy.

Its possible that fart joke guy was the guy from the 3rd case but I have no idea. I don't hold onto that stuff.

 

Maybe someone used the C word at me with spacing once and I reported them? I'm not sure but I would. If that was you then don't do that.

 

I'm much more likely to insult your argument, use ignore, or give you a link that supports my point than to report you. I might come back with a 20 line defense of my point.

The Report function is only a last resort. I could not tell you 80% of the rules but I don't tolerate direct and repeated harassment after I have said back off

I rarely even have to say back off and 99% of people do back off.

 

Surely you understand that as an "Eagles fan" on an Eagles message board, your "defend the Pats at all costs" stance is going to put a giant bullseye on your back, right?  

IDGAF if you worship those cheaters, just expect some backlash.  And don't get pissy about it when you get it.  

10 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You keep saying "it’s not fantasy football” but receiving TDs are THE fantasy football stat. Are you arguing against your own point?

And it all depends on where the 18 TDs and the 471 yards lie. When it’s the difference between 400 receiving yards and 971 receiving yards, then 18 TDs are worth significantly more. But the higher you go, the rarer air it is to reach those receiving thresholds. An already elite season of nearly 1500 yards by moss then then you add 471 on top of that? That’s a substantial difference. 

I keep saying this isn't fantasy football because you keep acting as of yards = automatic points.  They don't.  You don't get awarded points for just getting yards in real football.  A 20212 Calvin Jonhon season where he compiles a lot of yards but hardly any touchdowns and the Lions get hardly any touchdowns isn't close to as valuable and as good of a season as Randy Moss' 2007 season where he not only got a lot of yards but got an absolutely absurd amount of touchdowns.  Touchdowns are what win games.

So you admit now that Randy Moss had the better season?  Because Calvin Johnon only had 471 more yards in 2012 than Moss had in 2007.  But Moss had 18 more TDs than Calvin had in 2012.

 

 

 

10 hours ago, SkippyX said:

So was Cris Carter (drugs)

So was Moss (Oakland)

Rice was a cheater (self admitted stickem)

Everyone is free to add whatever spin they want to their personal list.

Back then everybody used stickum. The announcers used to joke about Lester Hayes that one day a ball would hit him in the head and stick. Fred Biletnikoff was another notorious user of stickum. The Raiders used stickum by the gallon and the Steelers were the first team to go whole hog on steroids.

10 hours ago, SkippyX said:

So was Cris Carter (drugs)

So was Moss (Oakland)

Rice was a cheater (self admitted stickem)

Everyone is free to add whatever spin they want to their personal list.

There is a huge difference between addiction and narcissism.  Drugs first and foremost harm the addict.  Narcissism harms all those around you.  TO was an arch narcissist, and the victims were his team and teammates.

Regarding Rice, see just relax’s comment above. 

9 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

seems like there is an endless supply of generic football talk.

So here's a video of Britain Covey running a lot as a High School QB. 
 

 

Timpview sucks!

Go Eagles ( Skyline eagles that is)

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

1. Megatron

2. Rice

3. Moss

4. Fitz

5. TO

My personnel opinion.

Yes to all the above except you didn't mention TD/ reception 

Megatron was at 8.8 which is pretty good 

Moss though takes it over the top with 6.2 which is the best of the WRs in the top 25 that I can find 

I'll take the guy with comparable stats who scores more tds.

Just my opinion.

Rice

Moss

T.O.

Megatron

Marvin Harrison.

I know he's still young but this guy HAS to stay healthy and stay on the field going forward. Insanely talented but that means nothing from the sidelines. 

As long as we’re discussing cheating, the 49ers OL would spray themselves with silicon so opponents couldn’t grab them. Back in the day, some players strapped iron bars to their forearms under their uniforms. George Halas had maintenance people put itching powder in opponent’s uniforms. 
Compared to this stuff, Deflategate is nothing.

Interesting to note with these joint practices they had McPhearson playing outside.  Some snaps with Bradberry in the slot.  Second string CBs were Jobe, McPhearson outside and Goodrich in the slot.   Maddox was getting abused a bit in the slot per some Beats.  Still recovering from the toe, I imagine.  Beats mention all the Ss.  No mention that I have seen of the rookie corners.  Of course, little mention of the third stringers.

@just relax  They had Good-Jones at 2nd string C.  With Dickerson sitting, Opeta and Sills at Gs but switching sides and then Toth stepping in a G with the twos.  If you note anything of concern or praise from those tonight, your thoughts are always craved.

 

29 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Megatron was at 8.8 which is pretty good 

Megatron's issue was & always will be that he never did much in the playoffs.  For better or worse, reputations are made and broken in the postseason.  I suspect that if he were on a better team, he would be seen as the best WR in the last 20 years.  Unfortunately, he played for the Lions, which is the place where careers go to die.

 

1 minute ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Megatron's issue was & always will be that he never did much in the playoffs.  For better or worse, reputations are made and broken in the postseason.  I suspect that if he were on a better team, he would be seen as the best WR in the last 20 years.  Unfortunately, he played for the Lions, which is the place where careers go to die.

 

 

Played with a Super Bowl winning QB.

Just got out of the Eagles Pro Sop at the Linc.  Frustrating experience.  Wanted to order a 93 Williams and a 69 Landon.  They told me their system "was down” and they couldn’t take any orders.  I asked if it would "be up” later today.  They said " no, we are waiting for parts”. I asked when it would be working and they said "not for at least two months.”  Couldn’t take a manual (written) order.  SOL

So, to not go out empty handed I bought a white White.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Played with a Super Bowl winning QB.

No, he didn't. Stafford won the SB 6 years after Calvin Johnson retired. So he never played with a Super Bowl winning QB.