8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

How do PS numbers work? Let’s say Book gets released, then goes to PS. Does McKee snag his number in the pending few hours and then Book needs yet another number?

That’s a team thing. Once training camp is over I know players can’t share numbers but it’s up to the team to figure it all out. I would guess someone on the actual team would have more pull than a PS guy.

They could also make Siposs change. He changed for Mariota so it’s not like #10 should mean anything for him. 

4 hours ago, Utebird said:

You obviously haven't seen ward return punts 

He lets far too many bounce over his head for more yards for the defense because he either misjudges the ball or is scared to fair catch field it.

Not to mention the amount of times he double clutched almost muffed or muffed a punt.

Even when he did cleanly catch one he didn't do much with it 

Combine numbers aren't the end all and be all, most NFL scouts GMs understand this and use the testing numbers to either confirm or deny what they think they see on tape.

If a guy looks fast on the field then runs a 4.3 then there might be so mething to it, if he runs a 4.7 maybe he plays faster than he times or maybe the person scouting is on crack 

Same goes if a guy looks slow on tape but runs really fast one checks him out some more 

One can look at wards raw testing numbers and say he might be able to return punts, so you put him on the field and it's clear to everyone that he's not very good at it despite his testing numbers.

Testing numbers are part of the picture not the picture.

Ward already showed he shouldn't be in the picture to be the starting PR.

 

 

Oh, Covey is better.  I mentioned that Ward was solid enough.  That is,  it's not a crisis if he's returning punts.  Covey was all american at punt returning.  returned a few punts for tds in college.  He's a good punt returner.  Both of them were good running QBs,  Covey won the high school state championship twice,  going 26-0 in his career.  Ward was in the Heisman talk at Houston.   Covey's ras is better.  neither actually have great ras for wrs.  they're versatile, but not freakbeasts.   Covey's 3 cone, shuttle and 10 split were pretty great, not extremely great.  They're particularly good numbers as a QB.   If Covey is the punt returner and Ward was the backup punt returner,  things are fine.  

If Nolan Smith - 1.47 10 split, 4.39 40 at 238 - were to be the punt returner and the kick returner and was on the field, offense and defense, for every snap,  I'd be fine with that.  They wouldn't do that because too tired.   They could line him up in many different places on both sides of the ball though. 

4 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

If by a solid enough job, you mean that Ward frequently fails for field punts which then roll away for additional yardage, while simultaneously never making anyone miss, while failing to average an average amount of return yardage, and while never breaking long ones, then by all means you’re right. He’s solid.

Other viewers might think the only thing Ward is good at is rarely fumbling. But what the hell do they know anyway? He was a former quarterback who could be utilized in a wide variety of cool ways on offense, so he must be good. 

rarely fumbling is good.  I think Covey is a better punt returner.  "Solid" isn't as good as you think it is. Exceptional is a word I didn't use.  But was he really harmful?  Maybe he was bad before I was paying attention. 

Is Nolan Smith an option for Punt Return? 

Can't seem to find it now but there was a highlight cut up of the 49ers game and sheesh, they know how to find LB. Dee Winters was a guy I really enjoyed watching at TCU but his knock was his size. He might be smaller than Dean at 5-11 227. Jalen Graham is a rookie from Purdue and these guys just FLY to the ball. I really wish the Eagles took a better approach or studied how some of these other teams go after LB.

3 hours ago, Utebird said:

Meth is a helluva drug bro ...😒

weed

40 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I was good with Dean wearing the green dot and playing every snap when that was announced as the plan and I'm feeling even better about it with the forced fumble.

I'm good with the overall process where a bunch of LBs are brought in, and the Eagles determine what they want.  I don't have any particular opinion whether Cunningham, Morrow, Jack start, stay or go.  It seems like people like Cunningham.

But if the Eagles say "what were we thinking,  look how fast Nolan Smith is,  look how he doesn't have snaps at OLB  because Reddick is great and he plays maybe 75% of the time, and Patrick Johnson also gets snaps."

Why don't we just make Nolan Smith the Will? Make him the starter?

Or just give him a lot of snaps.  If Sydney Brown is not busy at Safety,  he could be in a platoon with Cunningham, with the 211 pound Brown as the coverage Linebacker.

And I like VanSumeren, who, one would expect, would be core  special teamer.  In theory he could get lots of snaps on defense, but you'd also think that maybe Elliss would get some of those snaps.

There's a lot of talent there.  Dean, Smith, VanSumeren are the primest ones I see, not for starting week 1 in all cases but when they're all ready   I think they could get Smith in there as much as possible because there aren't other easy ways to get snaps.  Starting Safety?  TE2?

Smith isn't a LB fulltime. 

VanS is a freaking undrafted rookie that is raw as hell and won't counted on for a SB team. Down the line? Maybe, but that isn't this year.

They are f'ing thin as hell if even that at LB so I don't know where this "lot of talent" is coming from unless you are mixing up the Cowboys LB with the Eagles. Anyone who doesn't see that doesn't know football. There is a reason Howie signed two a few weeks ago and one didn't even last until the end of camp. They need to make a move. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Can't seem to find it now but there was a highlight cut up of the 49ers game and sheesh, they know how to find LB. Dee Winters was a guy I really enjoyed watching at TCU but his knock was his size. He might be smaller than Dean at 5-11 227. Jalen Graham is a rookie from Purdue and these guys just FLY to the ball. I really wish the Eagles took a better approach or studied how some of these other teams go after LB.

Shame they can't apply that same skill to the QB position...

 

28 minutes ago, TEW said:

You don’t think a one game swing in your regular season record can have that impact? Seriously?

Your proposition was Hurts missing 2-6 games.  If I’m reading that objectively I will default to the middle and use 4 games.  The punter isn’t going to be a key variable in helping a team’s playoff positioning in that scenario 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Your proposition was Hurts missing 2-6 games.  If I’m reading that objectively I will default to the middle and use 4 games.  The punter isn’t going to be a key variable in helping a team’s playoff positioning in that scenario 

I'd like to see Siposs replaced but a new punter is unlikely to swing a game and a bad holder is probably more likely than anything else to swing it

Hurts makes me moist.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

They’ll use the 3rd safety in that role. Not a huge difference between safety and LBs in terms of size anymore anyway 

Sure except the times when teams pass when Cunningham is on the field 

I mean it's not like this is the days if run on 1st rin on 2nd and maybe run on 3rd.

If you come out with two LBs that can't play the pass teams will exploit that on 1st 2nd 3rd 4th all day until you can stop it.

I'm not sure Cunningham and Dean ever could.

11 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Myles Jack retiring

That sucks. I liked him.

Just now, Utebird said:

Sure except the times when teams pass when Cunningham is on the field 

I mean it's not like this is the days if run on 1st rin on 2nd and maybe run on 3rd.

If you come out with two LBs that can't play the pass teams will exploit that on 1st 2nd 3rd 4th all day until you can stop it.

I'm not sure Cunningham and Dean ever could.

If Dean can't play the pass then it's a problem. Definitely need one LB who can.  Then again an LB who stinks against the run is also a liability

11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The concept is that there's a competition between the best Gran Turismo game players to become an actual driver. So there will be a lot of game footage that they market and I'm sure tons of CGI in the supposedly real races. I'm not a fan of CGI in car action scenes in any movie. Not everything has to be unbelievable or end in a fiery explosion. 

This is completely incorrect. It's based on the life of Jann Mardenborough. It's not a "concept" it literally happened.

11 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Smith is going to take the next step this year. Best WR combo we've ever had

 

 

 

I drafted him in the second draft of my FF draft. Big hopes for my boy Smitty! Smitty so cold y'all.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That sucks. I liked him.

I liked the fantasy of him recapturing his old form but I think his body is shot

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

This is completely incorrect. It's based on the life of Jann Mardenborough. It's not a "concept" it literally happened.

What part of that isn't a "concept?" Go ahead and watch the movie and tell me if everything in the movie literally happened. I won't see it, so I won't know. I'm counting on you. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Hurts makes me moist.

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

I'm sorry.

Somebody at the bar ask me what lubes my tube...

I misinterpreted the rules.

21 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Oh, Covey is better.  I mentioned that Ward was solid enough.  That is,  it's not a crisis if he's returning punts.  Covey was all american at punt returning.  returned a few punts for tds in college.  He's a good punt returner.  Both of them were good running QBs,  Covey won the high school state championship twice,  going 26-0 in his career.  Ward was in the Heisman talk at Houston.   Covey's ras is better.  neither actually have great ras for wrs.  they're versatile, but not freakbeasts.   Covey's 3 cone, shuttle and 10 split were pretty great, not extremely great.  They're particularly good numbers as a QB.   If Covey is the punt returner and Ward was the backup punt returner,  things are fine.  

If Nolan Smith - 1.47 10 split, 4.39 40 at 238 - were to be the punt returner and the kick returner and was on the field, offense and defense, for every snap,  I'd be fine with that.  They wouldn't do that because too tired.   They could line him up in many different places on both sides of the ball though. 

That you don't see the difference between a highschool QB and a college Heisman candidate QB says it all.

My highschool QB was all state won state player of the year and a championship as a JR. He was a running QB we ran triple option.

He went to BYU didn't play til his SR year after a couple dudes got hurt. Had a great senior year got drafted by the niners in the 5th or 6th round started like one game after a couple guys in front of him got hurt, he was in the league for like 3 years???

No one in the NFL cares that he was a great high school player, majority of NFL players were great high school players 

That covey was means Jack so why bring it up.

In well aware of coveys college career, he played 10 minutes away from where I grew up, lot of hype after his freshman year but he could never stay healthy and he's not big or really that fast which is why he went undrafted. He's shown In the pros he can be a reliable PR, could he probably run a few gadget plays where he runs or throws the ball? sure. But one doesn't  game plan around that when you have AJ Smitty and goedert in the team and about 4 other guys that are going to get touches before covey.

As for ward I don't care about his college career as a QB he's not a QB he's a WR a mediocre one at that, I don't care that he has comparable athletic measurements to covey who returns punts, when ward returned punts he was a disaster, if he wasn't they wouldn't have gone to covey another undrafted to replace him 

Could ward return punts in a pinch? Sure but one doesn't go out of ones way to make him your starting PR or give him a roster spot because he once was a Heisman candidate QB, none of that matters.

As for Nolan at PR KR, come on now, what evidence do we have that he can actually be effective at either? Can he consistently field punts safely as well as kicks, does he have the vision to follow his blocks? I mean if it was just about raw RAS numbers then teams would just go find some super athletic guy with a high RAS score who's not really a football player and let him get his freak on.

Oh wait they have a guy on their team whose a world class hurdler who can't get on the field because even though he's super fast and athletic he's not a very good football player.

Takes more than just having a high RAS score at any given position to succeed at said position.

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

weed

Weed isn't a helluva drug...

Just now, Utebird said:

Weed isn't a helluva drug...

Unless it's sprinkled with...

19 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

If Dean can't play the pass then it's a problem. Definitely need one LB who can.  Then again an LB who stinks against the run is also a liability

Yup.

Reports are that Dean has been blitzing a bit more in practice something that at Georgia he was pretty good at 

Not sure how much Desai is going to blitz Dean but I'd rather take my chances blitzing him than dropping him in coverage.

I think also the eagles probably don't want to pair Dean who has like 35 NFL snaps with another guy in Ellis who has even less, so pairing Dean with Cunningham who has started a bunch of games could help ease him in until Ellis is ready to take over.

Or even morrow who hasn't  really made any splash plays but has looked capable.

We'll see how it shakes out in a bit I guess 

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Smith isn't a LB fulltime. 

VanS is a freaking undrafted rookie that is raw as hell and won't counted on for a SB team. Down the line? Maybe, but that isn't this year.

They are f'ing thin as hell if even that at LB so I don't know where this "lot of talent" is coming from unless you are mixing up the Cowboys LB with the Eagles. Anyone who doesn't see that doesn't know football. There is a reason Howie signed two a few weeks ago and one didn't even last until the end of camp. They need to make a move. 

Oh, I think that last year the Eagles had a lot of LBs who only played special teams.  VanS I think might be that.

Only 2 ILBs actually play defense.  4 ILBs are almost all special teams.

Dean.  Nolan Smith.

That's enough, if the Eagles choose to do that.  Then you need LBs who get a handful of snaps on defense all year but play half or 3/4s of the special teams snaps.

Last year the special teams linebackers were Dean, Elliss, K Johnson, Bradley.   Dean and Bradley aren't going to be doing that this year.  Spot for VanSumeren.

5 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Unless it's sprinkled with...

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Never got wet until I did.

Always joked with folks it's Looney Tunes in slow motion.

Turns out it was ganja dipped in embalming fluid sprinkled with Sherman Helmsley.

Don't recommend it.