First time I've seen Richardson play.  He's going to be a RB who throws a bit this year isn't he?  On a harsh single viewing of his rookie per-season,looks to be drastically over drafted.  He's rawer than a steak that is still in a mooing cow

Ricks is a tough cut - the kid stands out and someone will claim him if he is cut.  Not sure Tyree Jackson makes it or not - he's oft injured and feels a PS player than a 53er.  It's not like Calcaterra has had an awful pre-season

Well Shane got the W, but it was Preseason.  He's still young and rough around the edges but Richardson was moving the ball.  Also he was huge behind the pocket.  I already see how Shane is going to use him this year just from that snippet.  Glad Preseason is over.  I saw some bright spots but I'm ready to get to the starters.  Well, 0-1-1.   I guess that's a Half of Win.   On to the Regular Season.  

4 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

First time I've seen Richardson play.  He's going to be a RB who throws a bit this year isn't he?  On a harsh single viewing of his rookie per-season,looks to be drastically over drafted.  He's rawer than a steak that is still in a mooing cow

Ricks is a tough cut - the kid stands out and someone will claim him if he is cut.  Not sure Tyree Jackson makes it or not - he's oft injured and feels a PS player than a 53er.  It's not like Calcaterra has had an awful pre-season

Calcaterra isn't exactly a shining example of a healthy player. Shoot, the guy retired in college. I'll take Jackson's potential and upside over Calcaterra's at this point. Heck, I'll keep 4 TE over 9 OL right now.

7 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

First time I've seen Richardson play.  He's going to be a RB who throws a bit this year isn't he?  On a harsh single viewing of his rookie per-season,looks to be drastically over drafted.  He's rawer than a steak that is still in a mooing cow

Ricks is a tough cut - the kid stands out and someone will claim him if he is cut.  Not sure Tyree Jackson makes it or not - he's oft injured and feels a PS player than a 53er.  It's not like Calcaterra has had an awful pre-season

The nfl and media want good QBs. So you have to take the hype with a grain of salt. They hype up every rookie QB every year it seems. 

8 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I dunno. I thought Richardson was impressive and was surprised his stat line looked pedestrian. I saw someone with special ability.

It was against 3rd string defense. Can't judge anything until the big boys hit the field and it really counts. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Calcaterra isn't exactly a shining example of a healthy player. Shoot, the guy retired in college. I'll take Jackson's potential and upside over Calcaterra's at this point. Heck, I'll keep 4 TE over 9 OL right now.

Granted, he's not.  I like Jackson's potential, but he's been on the PS etc for a reason  but I'm not sure 1 good game is going to make or break a decision to retain him.  Calcaterra sounds like he's had a good camp too

1 minute ago, BirdsFanBill said:

The nfl and media want good QBs. So you have to take the hype with a grain of salt. They hype up every rookie QB every year it seems. 

Agree.  GMFB drooling over Richardson today. 

7 hours ago, SkippyX said:

I like this late Tyree Jackson push.

It felt like if Goedert was not on the field then we did not have an NFL TE last year.

If Jackson can be a competent receiver like old Celek or 2002-2004 Chad Lewis then I am happy with that position.

I will of course get greedy and want more out of him next year but baby steps for now.

 

 

 

 

I think Tyree Jackson should be starting TE2.   I think TE2 should be a starting position.
AJ Brown, Tyree Jackson, Goedert, Smith should be the starting 4 WR/TEs. 

Starter - Backup
WR1 - Brown - OZ
WR2 - Smith - Watkins
TE1 - Goedert - Stoll
TE2 - Tyree Jackson - Calcaterra

It matches a starter and a backup for 4 positions.  Seems to make sense.   TE2 might be slot or split end.  Brown could be slot, flanker, split end.

44 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

The QB position is so desperate that teams will draft a guy top 5 that has the clay they want without having proven that he can do half of what they are projecting.  Richardson, as with Lance, has great physical traits.  But, he's not put it together on the field yet.  Neither one of them should have been drafted in the top 5 due to what they did at the NCAA level.  Teams fall in love with what they think they can make him into and overdraft.  Then, they get thrown to the wolves too soon and they rely on instinct rather than learning the position properly.  And they never become near to what their ceiling was.  We've seen it many times before.

There's no way that Richardson should be starting right now for the Colts.  He should be sitting and sucking up as many practice reps as he can, but with the focus on getting the job done properly.  Andy had it right with McNabb... with Vick... with Mahomes.  Nearly every QB that enters the NFL will benefit from sitting for a while.  Very few, if any, are truly ready to go in the NFL from the moment they enter.  They need to sit and learn before they play.  During that time, they can mature as men as much as they mature as a QB.   These guys aren't ready to be the face of the franchise.  Athletic QBs that don't have that athleticism harnessed a little and channeled differently rely more on that than they do their skills.  Steve Young stands as a prime example of an athlete that was extremely limited as a QB both in the USFL and the NFL.  He was barely capable of 50% completions... and threw more INTs than TDs.   He went to SF, learned under Walsh... was rebuilt and came out as a completely different QB.  He becomes well over a 60% passer, leads the league in passer rating 6 times... becomes the first full time starter to post a passer rating over 100 for a season.  But, he needed to learn how to play QB in the NFL, not just be a great athlete playing QB.  But that takes time.  Not many NFL coaches/GMs are willing to take that time.  And it's a shame.  As fans, we lose out on seeing what these guys could become... with proper coaching.

I fear that Richardson will follow the path of Lance, and be on the scrap heap in a few years, just as Lance is now.

I mean, Richardson doesn’t just have great physical gifts, he has top 3 of all time physical gifts and arguably #1 … of all time.

To me that’s different than a run of the mill talented but raw QB. And the context is a draft that wasn’t very strong at QB. So you gamble on greatness, because you aren’t going to get a chance to acquire that skill set ever again.

Richardson’s biggest knock is his lack of experience. I do think sitting him for half a season might benefit him, but he needs to play as well. It’s a tough spot. He can learn the playbook but he also needs to play because he didn’t play much in college.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Someone is going to take this the wrong way and think I'm saying Tyree Jackson is the next Jimmy Graham, but watching him last night reminded me of Jimmy Graham. His size, the way he moved or maybe it was just the jersey number?  Either way, Jackson looked like an NFL tight end last night and an NFL tight end that could present matchup issues. He looked like a guy that could be a QBs security blanket and be fed the ball. Calcaterra has shown he's more of an H-Back IMO.

Ok, I'll say that Tyree Jackson is the next Jimmy Graham. 
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=18964&p2=8982&pos=TE

Jackson has the higher ras as te. 9.83 v 9.74.  Graham has more dazzling numbers to the eye, heavier, better 40, but Graham is dinged for a low bench and a bad shuttle, and Jackson is taller, 6070 v 6062.

 

16 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Shoo Shoo Shoo (45 second mark)

 

They watched this clown get pantsed on the same exact play in the red zone twice in a Super Bowl and then gave him the keys to the franchise.

 

Who wore it better? 

1 minute ago, Random Reglar said:

Ok, I'll say that Tyree Jackson is the next Jimmy Graham. 
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=18964&p2=8982&pos=TE

Jackson has the higher ras as te. 9.83 v 9.74.  Graham has more dazzling numbers to the eye, heavier, better 40, but Graham is dinged for a low bench and a bad shuttle, and Jackson is taller, 6070 v 6062.

 

Wait who was the first Jimmy Graham? I am going with Na Brown.  

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

I fell asleep at haltime. Assuming that i missed nothing…

If you had stayed awake and watched, you would definitely have missed sleep … and you would have needed it.

39 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Granted, he's not.  I like Jackson's potential, but he's been on the PS etc for a reason  but I'm not sure 1 good game is going to make or break a decision to retain him.  Calcaterra sounds like he's had a good camp too

Agree.  GMFB drooling over Richardson today. 

Jackson has been a camp standout according to reports and he's shown up in every game. Not only that, he's improved in every game with the more reps and targets he saw. He didn't play down to the competition or shrivel with a bigger role. He's a TE now, not a project. That's why I keep him.

They gave Ngata every opportunity to make the roster and he acted like hes allergic to the football. Had no fight for the ball and the one play he ended up making, he fumbled.

I think the last WR spot is either Ward or Allen. Did we see Allen return any punts? He had the nice KR, stood out as a gunner, and he was also running routes.

If Street and Ojomo are close, you have to take Ojomo since he has more upside. Really wish he could have avoided that injury, but since they didn't waive him with injury, I think Ojomo has made the 53. Plus I think he can play DE a bit, which would give some relieve to the lack of depth there.

Ricks makes the 53.

I don't know how Covey makes this team, he hasn't had any snaps in the games and idk how much he has even participated in joint practices. He might be a cut they try and bring back later. They may see what they have at PR week 1, and if its awful will bring him back.

 

As far as the colts, I was not a big fan of Richardson in the draft. But to me he showed what potential he has. Kid has a cannon and can move well. He is very raw, but you can see why he was drafted so high. I think he has a good coach in Steichen to help him along, but he has a long way to go. I know he was going against the 2s/3s but to me he flashed his potential.

Let me be the first to apologize for mentioning Jimmy Graham and what conversation might come from that. 

20 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I think Tyree Jackson should be starting TE2.   I think TE2 should be a starting position.
AJ Brown, Tyree Jackson, Goedert, Smith should be the starting 4 WR/TEs. 

Starter - Backup
WR1 - Brown - OZ
WR2 - Smith - Watkins
TE1 - Goedert - Stoll
TE2 - Tyree Jackson - Calcaterra

It matches a starter and a backup for 4 positions.  Seems to make sense.   TE2 might be slot or split end.  Brown could be slot, flanker, split end.

You need to stop.

54 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

First time I've seen Richardson play.  He's going to be a RB who throws a bit this year isn't he?  On a harsh single viewing of his rookie per-season,looks to be drastically over drafted.  He's rawer than a steak that is still in a mooing cow

Ricks is a tough cut - the kid stands out and someone will claim him if he is cut.  Not sure Tyree Jackson makes it or not - he's oft injured and feels a PS player than a 53er.  It's not like Calcaterra has had an awful pre-season

I’ll say this about Calcaterra this preseason. It sure seemed like every time the ball was thrown to him, the pass was wildly inaccurate. Fans might downgrade a guy for not making plays, but I have a hunch that the coaches will take that into consideration.

I still prefer him over Jackson.

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

They gave Ngata every opportunity to make the roster and he acted like hes allergic to the football. Had no fight for the ball and the one play he ended up making, he fumbled.

I think the last WR spot is either Ward or Allen. Did we see Allen return any punts? He had the nice KR, stood out as a gunner, and he was also running routes.

If Street and Ojomo are close, you have to take Ojomo since he has more upside. Really wish he could have avoided that injury, but since they didn't waive him with injury, I think Ojomo has made the 53. Plus I think he can play DE a bit, which would give some relieve to the lack of depth there.

Ricks makes the 53.

I don't know how Covey makes this team, he hasn't had any snaps in the games and idk how much he has even participated in joint practices. He might be a cut they try and bring back later. They may see what they have at PR week 1, and if its awful will bring him back.

 

As far as the colts, I was not a big fan of Richardson in the draft. But to me he showed what potential he has. Kid has a cannon and can move well. He is very raw, but you can see why he was drafted so high. I think he has a good coach in Steichen to help him along, but he has a long way to go. I know he was going against the 2s/3s but to me he flashed his potential.

Yea, Ngata was the opposite of Tyree Jackson. They put the spotlight on him and he failed. I don't even want him on the PS. 

All Devon Allen did was produce when given the chance. They threw WR screens to him and he made plays out of them (rare for Eagles WR). He showed he has juice as a KR and would be a threat to break one every time. At the very least, that effects how a team kicks to him. He showed he has the tools to be an elite gunner, something the Eagles lost with McPhearson. Allen made the team last night IMO.

If Ojomo is healthy, the job is his. I think Street has trade value, even if a 2025 7th. Like you said, you go with Ojomo's upside and versatility right now. He doesn't have to play a big role but he can grow in to one, especially if Milton Williams plays himself in to a big FA deal and moves on.

Ricks is on the team.

Agree, I don't know how Covey makes it. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'd be surprised if Driscoll wasn't the guy that was OL6.  He's certainly got the most experience of the three (him, Johnson and Steen) and has the most time in the system.

Early in the season through the Bye week you are probably right … Driscoll will be OL6, but it would not surprise me to see that change after the Bye.

14 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Ok, I'll say that Tyree Jackson is the next Jimmy Graham. 
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=18964&p2=8982&pos=TE

Jackson has the higher ras as te. 9.83 v 9.74.  Graham has more dazzling numbers to the eye, heavier, better 40, but Graham is dinged for a low bench and a bad shuttle, and Jackson is taller, 6070 v 6062.

 

It's why he keeps getting chances, because if he could put it all together he has ability to be a weapon, not sure he'll ever put it together.

Also graham was unstoppable In the end zone, he was just too big and could just jump over dudes for tds, if tyree had that ability we would have seen it by now 

1 hour ago, RunItBAck said:

Bro relax with this goofy record pace for tackles junk.

Lots of tackles can be a bad thing...I'll leave it to you, to understand why

but lots of tackles is typically a good thing, for the player.

I'm just saying it's great for VanSumeren for him to be making so many tackles.  Lots of tackles seems to match the ras numbers,  very fast and very strong.  He's raw,  but because he's so fast, he gets to the play quick enough to get the tackle.   He needs to learn more from the quality nfl coaching,  but the speed and strength are showing up.  

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, Ngata was the opposite of Tyree Jackson. They put the spotlight on him and he failed. I don't even want him on the PS. 

All Devon Allen did was produce when given the chance. They threw WR screens to him and he made plays out of them (rare for Eagles WR). He showed he has juice as a KR and would be a threat to break one every time. At the very least, that effects how a team kicks to him. He showed he has the tools to be an elite gunner, something the Eagles lost with McPhearson. Allen made the team last night IMO.

If Ojomo is healthy, the job is his. I think Street has trade value, even if a 2025 7th. Like you said, you go with Ojomo's upside and versatility right now. He doesn't have to play a big role but he can grow in to one, especially if Milton Williams plays himself in to a big FA deal and moves on.

Ricks is on the team.

Agree, I don't know how Covey makes it. 

I don't remember which of the preseason games I was listening to, but the commentators (Ravens/Browns) were commenting that the DBs were giving Allen a lot of room off the snap; pretty much started their backpedal before the snap.  There is some use in having that in the offense to make more room for the underneath stuff.

I said it last night but I'll say it again. Trey Sermon played himself off the team last night. I've been a huge pro-Sermon/anti-Scott guy but he was given the keys to the running game last night and looked EHHH. He didn't look bad by any means, but nothing he did said that guy needs to be on this team more than Scott or he deserves a spot on this team over some of the other guys in deep position battles.

If the Colts trade Jonathan Taylor and need a RB, they got an up close look last night and wouldn't be shocked to see him dealt to the Colts. Either that, or he gets cut and claimed.

I think the Eagles have a very strong 56 players and the last cuts will be tough. I think guys like VanSumeren, Garner, Robinson and #49 earned themselves PS spots last night but the rest of their players can move on. 

None of the young WR showed any juice or reason to even keep them on the PS. Kennedy Brooks isn't an NFL back. The young OL didn't step up. Tarron Jackson is what he is at this point and that's not much. 

I know it won't happen, but I'd rather see 10-12 guys brought in from other teams to the PS instead of hanging on to guys they know but don't offer much of anything. 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, Ngata was the opposite of Tyree Jackson. They put the spotlight on him and he failed. I don't even want him on the PS. 

All Devon Allen did was produce when given the chance. They threw WR screens to him and he made plays out of them (rare for Eagles WR). He showed he has juice as a KR and would be a threat to break one every time. At the very least, that effects how a team kicks to him. He showed he has the tools to be an elite gunner, something the Eagles lost with McPhearson. Allen made the team last night IMO.

If Ojomo is healthy, the job is his. I think Street has trade value, even if a 2025 7th. Like you said, you go with Ojomo's upside and versatility right now. He doesn't have to play a big role but he can grow in to one, especially if Milton Williams plays himself in to a big FA deal and moves on.

Ricks is on the team.

Agree, I don't know how Covey makes it. 

Covey makes it because whose going to return punts? 

You going to chuck Greg Lewis back there and lose a game?

Who else that's going to make the roster has shown they can return punts.

Smitty fielded a couple last year but one doesn't want your starting 170 pound WR as the primary PR.

I just don't see an alternative, Covey is sure handed makes good decisions back there and as we saw last night Clay has zero clue on how to block in punt returns, he's an awful special teams coach.

Until the eagles find an alternative to covey back there I think he sticks.

Catches made with the 3rd string against the 3rd string (WR or TE) are almost never relevant when it comes to roster decisions. Don't know why each year people act like they are