1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Upon further thought. This is what Eagles should do.

Start of season:

1) Covey on IR

Allen gets spot

2) Ojomo on IR

Street gets spot

3) Siposs or unknown punter on PS

Extra spot given to Cornerback. Keep 7. Ricks (will get claimed) & Goodrich in (especially as slot backup with McPherson hurt)

4) 4 Linebackers with Morrow in.  3 LBs is just too light and he's solid depth. And played decently.

5) 4 Safeties

Surprise cut: Maybe Edmunds, but could be Wallace. One of em!

6) 8 offensive linemen kept. Go light.

Opeta, Andrews & Sills on PS 

Extra position(s) goes to TE.

a) Tyree Jackson makes it. So 4 tight ends.

b) Patrick Johnson gets in for special teams. And Edge depth with Barnett just coming back.

7) 4 RBs & 5 WRs with Scott & Allen starting the season on roster.

That should get us to 53 with the obvious remaining roster.

Whose your PR???

About the only positive I got out of watching that game was that McKee has good pocket presence. Considering that he was working from an imperfect pocket on almost every throw, he hung in and kept his eyes downfield. Yes, he missed some throws. Kind of reminded me of his time at Stanford, where his pass pro was terrible.

Just now, Utebird said:

Whose your PR???

I'm guessing Zaccheus. I'm also assuming he means put Covey and Ojomo on the 53, then move to IR so they can come back later in the season. If we try to put them on IR now, they are gone for the year.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I hope you're right, as I see no reason to keep him. We only guaranteed him 500k, so would save a little by cutting him. I was just stunned he didn't play last night, so makes me think Ojomo is weeks away.

Even if Ojomo is weeks away they have 4 DT who can play beyond Street. How many active on gameday anyway?

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I'm guessing Zaccheus. I'm also assuming he means put Covey and Ojomo on the 53, then move to IR so they can come back later in the season. If we try to put them on IR now, they are gone for the year.

Correct.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Even if Ojomo is weeks away they have 4 DT who can play beyond Street. How many active on gameday anyway?

They actually were dressing 6 last year -- Cox, Hargrave, Williams, Suh, Davis and Joseph. That works because some of the guys (Cox, Williams, Suh last year of Carter this year) can slide out to DE where we only carry 3. 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think they're gonna want to pick up outside guys at WR, OL.

I get the feeling the Eagles haven't settled on a safety opposite Blankenship. If they had, that player wouldn't have played last night. Everyone played but him.

If there's a trade I could see it being there instead of LB. They seem comfortable with the LBs.

KJ Hamler still out there. Injury prone, but has speed and can actually separate unlike the fringe guys on this roster. Could also be a punt returner.

Not sure who would be available at safety. Baker is out. Some speculation Jeremy Chinn could be available months back.

I am not sure Carolina has much interest in trading Chinn at this point. I can't see Howie trading much for a LB. So I am not sure Carolina would consider any offer but he is in the last year of his rookie deal.  My guess is that they will look for a waiver pick up before making a trade.  I do think they want more depth.  

I think they want Brown to play opposite Blankenship but are not sure if he's ready.  I also think they want to use 3 safeties more often and part of the mixing and matching has been to get players practice in a variety of roles.  

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'm guessing Zaccheus. I'm also assuming he means put Covey and Ojomo on the 53, then move to IR so they can come back later in the season. If we try to put them on IR now, they are gone for the year.

Are we really that worried that a team would claim an injured Covey if he's unable to play weeks 1-4?

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm not sure what you are getting at ?

Stoll is going to be TE 2 coaches really like his blocking in the run game And pass game, 

When they go 3 wide Quez will be the 3rd, he offers speed in the outside and from the slot and he's proven he can take the top off the defense 

OZ will be the fourth, he's also pretty fast but he's small so he's not going to be much of a perimeter threat and never has been, he's a between tbe hashes get out in space guy.

5th WR will most likely be covey strictly for PR, I don't expect he sees many Offensive snaps nor should he.

At TE it depends on what one is trying to accomplish, both calcaterra and tyree are more move, flex TEs than they are in line blocking guys.

At WR 6 I assume they are looking for a big X to fill the enforcer role like pascal did last year.

Ngata or haselwood for that role but Tyree and Grant are both better TEs than Ngata is a WR and I assume Tyree or Grant could both fill that role as split out enforcer like pascal did 

Having said that with the addition of swift maybe the offense moves away from. Those kinds of pass sets and Instead focuses on swift as a pass target.

Either way I don't see tyree starting at TE2, Stoll is a better blocker a skill which the coaches and me as well really value at that position.

One of the reasons eagles moved away from ertz is because he was no longer a better receiver than goedert but ertz was also a really bad blocker and having two good run blockers in 12 petsonell keeps defenses more honest.

Stoll is no world beater as a receiver but he's a better receiver at TE than ertz was as a blocker, which keeps the D just honest enough.

Stoll is a far better blocker than Tyree.

If tyree makes the roster I imagine he'll be used the same way Calcaterra was last year, which was sparingly as a move TE.

If one wants a more in line blocker at TE 3 more than a flex receiver type then you keep Arnold or Russell.

I don't think that's what the coaches are looking for though.

Like I said I guess we'll find out in a few days.

 

We're using different terms.   WR1 is a position on the field, more or less.  There is a starting WR1/SE/X and there is a backup.  There is a starting TE1 - Goedert - and a backup TE1 - Stoll.  TE1 is on the right side.  TE2 is the "receiving TE" position. As I see it,  Tyree Jackson is the starting TE2, or should be because he has the highest ceiling, measured by ras, and he has the stats from the preseason to match,  Calcaterra is the backup TE2.  That's how I see it.  Jackson and Calcaterra are both receiving TEs, the Eagles could use additional size, and the TE2 position is a place to put additional size.  Others may disagree.

You see what I mean there.

You're saying WR1 is this person,  WR2 is another person  TE1 is a person,  TE2 is a person.

I'm saying that WR1 is a position, and certain people are either starting at that position or backups at that position.

The TE1 position is the more blocking one,  the more all around one,  both catching and blocking.  And that's Goedert.  Goedert plays almost all the snaps and does Goedert stuff, normal TE1 stuff.  And I tend to agree with you that Stoll is the backup to Goedert.  Tyree did well blocking on the big Sermon TD run last week,  but Stoll is pretty high ras,  is heavier than Tyree, has been a TE for longer, so I would have to think that Stoll is a good, well rounded, knowledgeable blocker.   I would have to think that Stoll might have superiority in knowledge of all the fine points of TE.  That's why I think he's the right backup TE1.

I'll cut and paste a few words of yours. 
"a move TE"   "At TE it depends on what one is trying to accomplish, both calcaterra and tyree are more move, flex TEs than they are in line blocking guys."

"At WR 6 I assume they are looking for a big X to fill the enforcer role like pascal did last year.

Ngata or haselwood for that role but Tyree and Grant are both better TEs than Ngata is a WR and I assume Tyree or Grant could both fill that role as split out enforcer like pascal did"

Ok,  right here is where you're talking about the things that the player playing the TE2 spot should be doing.   I'm saying that "TE2" is the name of the position,  and the TE2 position - the "move TE" position - should be filled by Tyree as the starter, and Calcaterra as a backup.
A move TE,  a Joker TE,  a WR/TE, a big X to fill the enforcer role.   Tyree's blocking for Sermon and for Allen on a wr screen I think last week was good.  I'm pretty sure that he can maul smaller defenders.   

And the other thing, related thing, I'm saying is that mystery space called the slot should be filled with bigger players more regularly.   Calling it the TE2 position or the big slot or whatever would help accomplish that.   Calling the TE2 position doesn't prevent a WR like Quez or OZ or Covey from playing there,  or Swift or Mariota from playing there, but it sort of claims the space as a domain for the bigger player primarily. 


 

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Are we really that worried that a team would claim an injured Covey if he's unable to play weeks 1-4?

If you cut him when he is injured, he reverts to IR and is lost for the year unless you do a settlement. I think that means you can't bring him back. 

My guess is he is ready for week 1.

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

About the only positive I got out of watching that game was that McKee has good pocket presence. Considering that he was working from an imperfect pocket on almost every throw, he hung in and kept his eyes downfield. Yes, he missed some throws. Kind of reminded me of his time at Stanford, where his pass pro was terrible.

He was playing with drek and heard footsteps the entire time. Made some great adjustments on certain ones and hung in there. Really impressed with him. Clean eyes! Loved that description. He's a number 2 very soon. 

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

About the only positive I got out of watching that game was that McKee has good pocket presence. Considering that he was working from an imperfect pocket on almost every throw, he hung in and kept his eyes downfield. Yes, he missed some throws. Kind of reminded me of his time at Stanford, where his pass pro was terrible.

Yup. He was working in a chaotic pocket all night but he kept his cool and climbed it even ran the one time, slid a bit early but still got positive yards.

Couple of his off throws he didn't have any space to step into it and follow through and it was all arm, the one I think he'd want back is the 4th down slant to Ngata, was low and behind really poor ball.

I thought the a rookie going against a bunch of starters he looked promising especially since the refs swallowed their whistles on a couple DPIs 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct, but if they are claimed off waivers... then they are not coming back here.  

True, but a player with four years on active roster, PUP, or IR for at least six games in a season is not subject to waivers. I believe both Opeta and Fred Johnson, for example, are four-year guys.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'm guessing Zaccheus. I'm also assuming he means put Covey and Ojomo on the 53, then move to IR so they can come back later in the season. If we try to put them on IR now, they are gone for the year.

OZ has 3 total PRs in his NFL career,nobody was comfortable putting Greg Lewis out there week one back in the day why should putting an unproven OZ back there be any different.

 

Just now, Utebird said:

OZ has 3 total PRs in his NFL career,nobody was comfortable putting Greg Lewis out there week one back in the day why should putting an unproven OZ back there be any different.

 

I agree -- I think Covey will be good to go for week 1.

15 minutes ago, just relax said:

One thing worth remembering when assigning players to the PS: they don't HAVE TO sign with another team. They are, in essence, free agents. There is no reason the Eagles can't tell a player that they'll match any offer he may get and that they intend to bring him back to the 53 when the roster shuffling is over. If they do that with, say, Opeta, that drastically reduces the chance that they lose him.

Hence my theory is they cut Street and PS week one, then IR Ojomo and bring Street back in Week 2.  He was, after all, a late free agent signing without a lot,of interest probably because he is an undersized DT.  Both Opeta and Street can be released and not subject to waivers.  They can also pay them the maximum salary on the PS, $20,600 a week.  

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

At the position where they matter least but has the most impact on the team

Disagree they matter the least, especially in light of which way the NFL is trending. There is a reason classic pocket passers like Manning don’t go #1 overall anymore. Athleticism at QB is just too much of a force multiplier in the modern game.

Jonathan Taylor will return punts.

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12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct, but if they are claimed off waivers... then they are not coming back here.  

Four years accrued (6 weeks on active roster, IR or PUP equals an accrued year) means release rather than waivers. 

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Jonathan Taylor will return punts.

FreakBeazzzzZzzst!

Why not just line him up at WR. He runs a 4.4.  

Just now, NCiggles said:

Why not just line him up at WR. He runs a 4.4.  

Sorry Nolan Smith has that position locked down...

14 minutes ago, just relax said:

About the only positive I got out of watching that game was that McKee has good pocket presence. Considering that he was working from an imperfect pocket on almost every throw, he hung in and kept his eyes downfield. Yes, he missed some throws. Kind of reminded me of his time at Stanford, where his pass pro was terrible.

Stares down his receiver a bit too much but that is curable and really not that unusual for a rookie QB given the speed of the NFL.

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11 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

We're using different terms.   WR1 is a position on the field, more or less.  There is a starting WR1/SE/X and there is a backup.  There is a starting TE1 - Goedert - and a backup TE1 - Stoll.  TE1 is on the right side.  TE2 is the "receiving TE" position. As I see it,  Tyree Jackson is the starting TE2, or should be because he has the highest ceiling, measured by ras, and he has the stats from the preseason to match,  Calcaterra is the backup TE2.  That's how I see it.  Jackson and Calcaterra are both receiving TEs, the Eagles could use additional size, and the TE2 position is a place to put additional size.  Others may disagree.

You see what I mean there.

You're saying WR1 is this person,  WR2 is another person  TE1 is a person,  TE2 is a person.

I'm saying that WR1 is a position, and certain people are either starting at that position or backups at that position.

The TE1 position is the more blocking one,  the more all around one,  both catching and blocking.  And that's Goedert.  Goedert plays almost all the snaps and does Goedert stuff, normal TE1 stuff.  And I tend to agree with you that Stoll is the backup to Goedert.  Tyree did well blocking on the big Sermon TD run last week,  but Stoll is pretty high ras,  is heavier than Tyree, has been a TE for longer, so I would have to think that Stoll is a good, well rounded, knowledgeable blocker.   I would have to think that Stoll might have superiority in knowledge of all the fine points of TE.  That's why I think he's the right backup TE1.

I'll cut and paste a few words of yours. 
"a move TE"   "At TE it depends on what one is trying to accomplish, both calcaterra and tyree are more move, flex TEs than they are in line blocking guys."

"At WR 6 I assume they are looking for a big X to fill the enforcer role like pascal did last year.

Ngata or haselwood for that role but Tyree and Grant are both better TEs than Ngata is a WR and I assume Tyree or Grant could both fill that role as split out enforcer like pascal did"

Ok,  right here is where you're talking about the things that the player playing the TE2 spot should be doing.   I'm saying that "TE2" is the name of the position,  and the TE2 position - the "move TE" position - should be filled by Tyree as the starter, and Calcaterra as a backup.
A move TE,  a Joker TE,  a WR/TE, a big X to fill the enforcer role.   Tyree's blocking for Sermon and for Allen on a wr screen I think last week was good.  I'm pretty sure that he can maul smaller defenders.   

And the other thing, related thing, I'm saying is that mystery space called the slot should be filled with bigger players more regularly.   Calling it the TE2 position or the big slot or whatever would help accomplish that.   Calling the TE2 position doesn't prevent a WR like Quez or OZ or Covey from playing there,  or Swift or Mariota from playing there, but it sort of claims the space as a domain for the bigger player primarily.