3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

What's the gander's name?

Dylan

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Plus, I seriously doubt with the Eagles depth that Nolan Smith will get the same reps as someone like Will Anderson -- who is likely to approach 10 sacks or more as a rookie.

I don't know if Will Anderson is going to get to that type of number.  He's playing on a bad team that may be behind most of the games.  His sack opportunities will be more limited.  I think Jack Campbell has a better shot just because he's likely to start and put up big tackle numbers. 

Does anyone know where I can find Darius Slay’s ranking in passer rating against or completion percentage against?

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Does anyone know where I can find Darius Slay’s ranking in passer rating against or completion percentage against?

Ranking the best cornerbacks from the 2022 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

Ranking the best cornerbacks from the 2022 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Yeah I saw that, just doesn’t have those 2 specific facts. A Dallas fan cherry picked those two terms out of the air (without having the actual stats in front of him) to explain why Slay is too overrated to consider a top CB.

20 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Does anyone know where I can find Darius Slay’s ranking in passer rating against or completion percentage against?

Could probably figure it out based off this with a passer rating calculator for the whole season. I came up with 82.35 passer rating, 56.7 completion %

Edit: missed the whole "ranking" part. I guess if you have PFF unlocked it would have it.

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Could probably figure it out based off this with a passer rating calculator for the whole season. I came up with 82.35 passer rating, 56.7 completion %

Edit: missed the whole "ranking" part. I guess if you have PFF unlocked it would have it.

 

These stats mean

First 6 games he gave up 2.3 catches, 28 yards, and .17 TD's/game

In his last 13 games he gave up an average of 2.5 catches, 30 yards, and .31 TD's/game

Seems pretty consistent (sans TD's) if those numbers are accurate which I doubt they are.

  

 

 

4 hours ago, NCiggles said:

My question would be why it is morally OK to form business relationships with these gambling entities when it is not morally OK for NFL personnel and players to make bets.  I am not saying that the rule is difficult to follow but keep in mind that people can be impulsive and make short-term decisions that provide instant gratification.  Betting is one of those types of decisions.  The NFL is creating a risk by engaging in these relationships without sufficient support for the players or employees who may be impacted.  

It isn't "Morally" ok, but the NFL isn't worried about their morality.  They are worried about their bottom line.  The partnership is financially more than ok, so that's all they worry about.  BUT... the partnership created leads to questions about the legitimacy of the sport, so to try to keep the game's legitimacy above reproach, they have to try to have a hard line on how the employees can engage with their business partner.  It's just silly.

Looks like Hyde is going to jail for a long time ..... 

I wonder if Fez was there to say "Good Day" to him

 

Here’s an interesting set of questions:

 

1. If you get drafted, participate in rookie minicamp and even OTAs, but have contract disputes that lead to you reentering the draft the next year, are you still a rookie for the new team? I would guess… yes?

2. If you’re an UDFA, sign your deal, but get cut in minicamp due to an injury, miss the season, then sign with a new team the following year… are you still a rookie? I would guess no.

3. if you are an UDFA, no one picks you up, you wait by the phone all season as an available free agent, then sign to a team the following summer, are you still a rookie? This is kind of a combination of the other two… so I really don’t know. I don’t think you’re still a rookie, but then I can’t really explain why that’s different from #1

For those comparing 2017 and 2022…JMO…the regular season 2017 offense was a bit more dominant.  The regular season 2022 defense was a bit more dominant.  But that’s semantics.

The 2017 defense couldn’t stop Brady in his prime on any series, but grabbed a turnover at the end.  The 2022 defense couldn’t stop Mahomes (in his prime) on one foot and was literally going to give up a TD on every drive for the balance of the game…and didn’t get a turnover.

Gannon and the turf take the heat, but the defense choked.  

The 2017 team was better. Idgaf about talent vs talent. That 2017 would not be denied. They were the most clutch team I’ve ever seen. They ate adversity for breakfast. It didn’t matter if their kicker got hurt, their HOF LT was injured, their all-world qb was injured. 3rd and 18, 4th and 9, 4th and goal to end the half of the Super Bowl…. It DID NOT MATTER. That team was going to overcome every obstacle and did. 

11 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

The 2017 team was better. Idgaf about talent vs talent. That 2017 would not be denied. They were the most clutch team I’ve ever seen. They ate adversity for breakfast. It didn’t matter if their kicker got hurt, their HOF LT was injured, their all-world qb was injured. 3rd and 18, 4th and 9, 4th and goal to end the half of the Super Bowl…. It DID NOT MATTER. That team was going to overcome every obstacle and did. 

I’d say a major scale-tipping factor was that DougieP/Schwartz/Reich was a definitively better coaching staff. I know Sirianni is still pretty new and Pederson left on bad terms, but I don’t think they’re on the same level just yet.

11 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

The 2017 team was better. Idgaf about talent vs talent. That 2017 would not be denied. They were the most clutch team I’ve ever seen. They ate adversity for breakfast. It didn’t matter if their kicker got hurt, their HOF LT was injured, their all-world qb was injured. 3rd and 18, 4th and 9, 4th and goal to end the half of the Super Bowl…. It DID NOT MATTER. That team was going to overcome every obstacle and did. 

I think the 2022 team was more talented but the 2017 had a better identity, as in they knew what they were and each player had a specific role. 

Don’t ask me to explain that because I can’t but it makes sense to me so pi$$ off 

QB: 2022 > 2017

RBs: 2017 > 2022

WRs: 2022 > 2017

TEs: 2017 = 2022

O-Line: 2022 > 2017

D-Line: 2017 > 2022

LBs: 2017 = 2022

CBs: 2022 > 2017

S: 2017 > 2022

STs: 2017 > 2022

Coaches: 2017 > 2022

Final Tally:

2022 - 4

2017 - 5

2 draws

The Dolphins attaching a camera to Tua’s helmet during practice seems like a great idea.  Would be interesting to use one with a visor to track the eyes. The technology is there. Seems only a matter of time. 

11 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

QB: 2022 > 2017

RBs: 2017 > 2022

WRs: 2022 > 2017

TEs: 2017 = 2022

O-Line: 2022 > 2017

D-Line: 2017 > 2022

LBs: 2017 = 2022

CBs: 2022 > 2017

S: 2017 > 2022

STs: 2017 > 2022

Coaches: 2017 > 2022

Final Tally:

2022 - 4

2017 - 5

2 draws

I agree with you that RBs: 2017 > 2022, but that doesn't account for the impact of the QB on the running game.  I fyou had to take the 2017 running game or the 2022 running game, which would you choose?

On TE, I understand the logic that 2017 = 2022, but I personally would prefer the 2022 TEs to the 2017 TEs.  The reason is pretty straightforward.  In 2017 in order to get good blocking Ertz had to be replaced with Celek.  That is a huge message to the opposing D.  Because of Goedert's versatility the opposing D was always guessing right up to the point where the ball was snapped.  That is a huge tactical advantage, that I believe tips the TE scales to 2022 > 2017.

So I get:

QB: 2022 > 2017

Running Backs: 2022 > 2017

WRs: 2022 > 2017

TEs: 2022 > 2017

O-Line: 2022 > 2017

D-Line: 2017 > 2022

LBs: 2017 = 2022

CBs: 2022 > 2017

S: 2017 > 2022

STs: 2017 > 2022

Coaches: 2017 > 2022

Final Tally:

2022 - 6

2017 - 4

1 draw

27 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

QB: 2022 > 2017

RBs: 2017 > 2022

WRs: 2022 > 2017

TEs: 2017 = 2022

O-Line: 2022 > 2017

D-Line: 2017 > 2022

LBs: 2017 = 2022

CBs: 2022 > 2017

S: 2017 > 2022

STs: 2017 > 2022

Coaches: 2017 > 2022

Final Tally:

2022 - 4

2017 - 5

2 draws

IMO Bradham and Kendricks do laps around Edwards and White. Bradham was awesome that year and Kendricks had his best season

40 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

QB: 2022 > 2017

RBs: 2017 > 2022

WRs: 2022 > 2017

TEs: 2017 = 2022

O-Line: 2022 > 2017

D-Line: 2017 > 2022

LBs: 2017 = 2022

CBs: 2022 > 2017

S: 2017 > 2022

STs: 2017 > 2022

Coaches: 2017 > 2022

Final Tally:

2022 - 4

2017 - 5

2 draws

I’d point out that 2022 ST was really bad.  All the other comps are strength vs strength.  But that ST was ugly.

Id also say 2017 TE > 2022.  Prime Ertz may not measure up as a blocker, but he was still beyond Goedert in his impact due to sheer receiving ability.  Throw in Burton, who was better than the 2022 depth.

I would take the 2022 offense and the 2017 defense. The '17 defense probably gets overlooked a bit. The game in Carolina on a Thursday night stands out. The run defense that night was insane. Every play was at or behind the LOS. Super Bowl performance doesn't do them any favors though, understandably. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’d point out that 2022 ST was really bad.  All the other comps are strength vs strength.  But that ST was ugly.

Id also say 2017 TE > 2022.  Prime Ertz may not measure up as a blocker, but he was still beyond Goedert in his impact due to sheer receiving ability.  Throw in Burton, who was better than the 2022 depth.

I understand your logic, but respectfully disagree.  Ertz had the pass catching impact that he had because the 2017 WRs were so much < than the 2022 WRs.  Put the 2022 version of Goedert on that 2017 team and he'd have put up very similar numbers to Ertz ... and had more total impact because of his overall versatility.

26 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

IMO Bradham and Kendricks do laps around Edwards and White. Bradham was awesome that year and Kendricks had his best season

I agree with that take, which would adjust the tally to be:

QB: 2022 > 2017

Running Backs: 2022 > 2017

WRs: 2022 > 2017

TEs: 2022 > 2017

O-Line: 2022 > 2017

D-Line: 2017 > 2022

LBs: 2017 > 2022

CBs: 2022 > 2017

S: 2017 > 2022

STs: 2017 > 2022

Coaches: 2017 > 2022

Final Tally:

2022 - 6

2017 - 5

No draws

 

10 minutes ago, DoWorx said:

 

19 year old squatting 600+ lbs...yeah... I think he's strong lol.

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I understand your logic, but respectfully disagree.  Ertz had the pass catching impact that he had because the 2017 WRs were so much < than the 2022 WRs.  Put the 2022 version of Goedert on that 2017 team and he'd have put up very similar numbers to Ertz ... and had more total impact because of his overall versatility.

Well that we’ll never know.  But you are definitely right about the numbers.  Ertz had more receptions than he ideally should have…those wrs weren’t as good as Brown/Smith.  And Goedert definitely would put up more rec (and therefore yards) with the 2017 receiving corps that deserved fewer targets.

I still think Ertz was a meaningfully better receiver than Goedert despite the stat inflation he may have had.