2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Banned a bunch of posters and yet here we are. Guess they weren’t the problem after all.

No! their behavior was a problem...

Christian Kirksey cut. Wonder if Eagles have interest.

3 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Come on bro! Eat your humble pie cuz you got schooled. Waitman's punting "poorly" at home STILL beats Siposs' best year's stats (2022). Can't you move on instead of dig a deeper hole here? When you are wrong, you are wrong. And you are wrong on this one BUD. I would say that Waitman's a nice upgrade right now, but that isn't even hard here. 

I keep reading that as Waltmam and I chuckle picturing Walt Whitman as a punter, then I think of Walter White then I want to watch breaking bad...🤷‍♂️

42 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Waitman was on Denver all of last year and led the league in total punts at 96 (not anything special but that's not on 4 rosters)

His gross was 46.6 (20th) and his net was 41.4 (14th) SiPoSs was 26th and 30th.

He was tied for 7th on inside 20 punts and tied for 8th in touchbacks. Siposs was a bit worse in touchback % and better at inside 20 %

He leads the league in not being Arryn Siposs (along with every other punter)

 

He's also not the Andy Dalton of playoff punting.

Looking at gross and net punting without considering where he was punting from is a bit disingenuous.  

Rather than looking at the ranking... consider this:   Waitman was 46.6 gross punting, Siposs was 45.6.  A difference of 1 yard (2%).  The nets were equally almost identical... 41.5 vs 40.6 (2.4%).   So, without context, we are talking about a drive starting 1 yard different.   BUT... then when we look at the context a little bit (inside the 20, the goals change.)

Looking at the entire process, Siposs had many more punts from shorter distance than Waitman.  

Waitman had 96 total punts, with 30 (31%) inside the 20, and 6 (6.1%) touchbacks.   (Combined, 37%)
Siposs had 45 total punts, with 16 (35.5%) inside the 20, and 3 (6.7%) touchbacks.  (Combined, 42%)

96 punts for Waitman... 44 (46%) returns, 29 (30%) FC, downed 14 (14.5%),  OOB 3 (3 %)
45 punts for Siposs... 20 (44%) returns, 11 (24%) FC, downed 7 (15.5%), OOB 3 (7 %)

These breakdowns are almost indistinguishable.   But the big one... inside the 20, shows a larger win by Siposs than any win by Waitman in any other category.  And, the fact that it would seem on the face, that Siposs was punting from closer to the opposition goal line, the goal was not for a longer punt but rather a more accurate punt was desired.  So, the 1 yard difference likely is completely irrelevant in terms of 'effectiveness'.

But, ignoring that the difference is likely due to the location that they were kicking from... Is there a significant difference in the analysis for drives starting at the 27 yard line versus the 26?   Or at the 19 vs. the 18?   Or the 49 vs. the 48?   

Adding Waitman, frankly, looks like a nothing move.  Would that 1 yard of Field position be a noticeable change?  I just don't see it being a move that moves the needle at all.  It would be a roster move for the purpose of a roster move.   And frankly, I don't see that as valuable.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Christian Kirksey cut. Wonder if Eagles have interest.

Always a little Leary of guys over 30 who racked up a bunch of tackles on a bad defense.

Plus like most vets they don't want to play teams...

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Along those same lines, that was part of the thinking in the Revolutionary War as well... the conclusion was that they had to either rebel together as a single unit... or to remain as they are... together.  The claim was that if they acted independently and not as a single unit in the revolution, they'd just replay the bloody history of war as had worked out in Europe.  The colonies were relatively independent, but they figured out pretty quick and they couldn't survive like that.  The Join or Die Flag highlights that thinking as well.  Even in that though... there were Tories who fought on the side of the British... and it was a bit of a 'civil war' in its own right of northerners (who were more largely in favor of independence) fighting southerners (who had more loyalties to the crown).  

There were a significant number of neutrals, basically not strongly supporting either side.  But even amongst those who were labeled Tories, mostly it was a community loyalty coupled with a reluctance to break an oath. The Civil War was more disjointed than many think. There were communities and counties throughout the South that opposed secession.  Conscription from both sides in both wars is also overlooked as is desertion.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Looking at gross and net punting without considering where he was punting from is a bit disingenuous.  

Rather than looking at the ranking... consider this:   Waitman was 46.6 gross punting, Siposs was 45.6.  A difference of 1 yard (2%).  The nets were equally almost identical... 41.5 vs 40.6 (2.4%).   So, without context, we are talking about a drive starting 1 yard different.   BUT... then when we look at the context a little bit (inside the 20, the goals change.)

Looking at the entire process, Siposs had many more punts from shorter distance than Waitman.  

Waitman had 96 total punts, with 30 (31%) inside the 20, and 6 (6.1%) touchbacks.   (Combined, 37%)
Siposs had 45 total punts, with 16 (35.5%) inside the 20, and 3 (6.7%) touchbacks.  (Combined, 42%)

96 punts for Waitman... 44 (46%) returns, 29 (30%) FC, downed 14 (14.5%),  OOB 3 (3 %)
45 punts for Siposs... 20 (44%) returns, 11 (24%) FC, downed 7 (15.5%), OOB 3 (7 %)

These breakdowns are almost indistinguishable.   But the big one... inside the 20, shows a larger win by Siposs than any win by Waitman in any other category.  And, the fact that it would seem on the face, that Siposs was punting from closer to the opposition goal line, the goal was not for a longer punt but rather a more accurate punt was desired.  So, the 1 yard difference likely is completely irrelevant in terms of 'effectiveness'.

But, ignoring that the difference is likely due to the location that they were kicking from... Is there a significant difference in the analysis for drives starting at the 27 yard line versus the 26?   Or at the 19 vs. the 18?   Or the 49 vs. the 48?   

Adding Waitman, frankly, looks like a nothing move.  Would that 1 yard of Field position be a noticeable change?  I just don't see it being a move that moves the needle at all.  It would be a roster move for the purpose of a roster move.   And frankly, I don't see that as valuable.

Please stop looking at nuance. Just look at raw numbers and you’ll get the truth. 

2 hours ago, jojodancer said:

Because Siposs was ranked 33 out of 36 last year and he kinda chokes when the chips are down.

Where are you getting your rankings?

@Iggles_Phan So you are cool with a 27 yard punt followed by a 36 yard punt in the playoffs this year and another line drive punt returned to the Eagles 5?

All punters are about the same. All of them gave up the longest punt return in SB history... Oh wait, that was just Siposs.

 

14 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Banned a bunch of posters and yet here we are. Guess they weren’t the problem after all.

There will always be those to fill the void.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Where are you getting your rankings?

ESPN probably has the best sortable punting stats.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/view/special/stat/punting/table/punting/sort/netAvgPuntYards/dir/desc

 

The bottom line is Siposs choked in 2 different playoff games in 2 different years. I just use my eye balls and not stats to tell me I've seen enough. And let's give someone else a chance here. When the pressure is on he falls flat on his face. This preseason being another example. Where he did not EARN the gig. Shanked his last punt as a matter of fact with seemingly his job on the line. Add to the fact, that Eagles punt coverage teams are not good. A below average punter exercerbates the situation even more.

This came in a few hours ago but Davion Taylor was waived by Chicago.

 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

There were a significant number of neutrals, basically not strongly supporting either side.  But even amongst those who were labeled Tories, mostly it was a community loyalty coupled with a reluctance to break an oath. The Civil War was more disjointed than many think. There were communities and counties throughout the South that opposed secession.  Conscription from both sides in both wars is also overlooked as is desertion.

Indeed and many from the border states that went both directions.  Kentucky tried to officially remain 'neutral', but citizens from Kentucky went both directions, but no Kentucky regiments were sent by the governor to either side.

Liked him coming out

 

2 minutes ago, metal said:

This came in a few hours ago but Davion Taylor was waived by Chicago.

 

Just another speed hump

2 minutes ago, metal said:

This came in a few hours ago but Davion Taylor was waived by Chicago.

 

Dude was cut faster than his 40 time ...

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

so trey sermon has trade value…

 

Barnett gets a lot of (justified) crap, but when he's healthy he's a perfectly fine starting DE, albeit with limited upside. Would rather take the position value discount and get a decent LB/S/NB.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Where are you getting your rankings?

PFF ranking...

Since Michael Clay was brought back, even extended, I sadly don’t see them moving on from Siposs unless there’s a punter they really like that gets cut. 

@Iggles_Phan  Please stop trying to use feelings and opinion when using stats. 41.5 net punting is not just like 39.6 net punting

One was the 14th best out of about 34 and the other was 30th best.

14 is mediocre

30 is garbage

 

Its not nuance. Its BS.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Texans fans seem pretty stoked with this move. I guess he's completely washed.

6 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

@Iggles_Phan So you are cool with a 27 yard punt followed by a 36 yard punt in the playoffs this year and another line drive punt returned to the Eagles 5?

All punters are about the same. All of them gave up the longest punt return in SB history... Oh wait, that was just Siposs.

You just moved the goal posts.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You just moved the goal posts.  

Nope, that's his resume.

You have watched the playoff games, right?

 

You are pretending stats can dance for you (they can't) I am reminding you of another reason why Siposs is the worst player on the team and should be replaced.