Nolan Smith with only 4 snaps had more of an impact. 😂

As long as the DLine is playing as well as they are, and there are no injuries, please keep his bone headed butt on the bench.

57 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

As long as the DLine is playing as well as they are, and there are no injuries, please keep his bone headed butt on the bench.

Barnett was injured virtually the entire 2022 season. He's playing about 20-24% of the defensive snaps. His role is to provide some rest for the players ahead of him (mainly Sweat). On the season to date, his PFF grade is 59.3 and Sweat's is 81.3 (16th out of 107 qualifying edge rushers). Barnett hasn't had any standout individual plays, but he was the lone pressure on one INT a few weeks ago and was on the field when the D recorded a safety. He doesn't have any penalties and hasn't been a liability while giving Sweat a breather. He's a part, albeit small, of the D-line that is playing well overall. What's with the random knock based on things that happened (and not as frequent as the legend portrays) two or more seasons ago?

You're breaking proper EMB etiquette by not at least waiting for for him to make some minuscule mistake like "almost jumping offsides" before calling him out after a win. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Barnett was injured virtually the entire 2022 season. He's playing about 20-24% of the defensive snaps. His role is to provide some rest for the players ahead of him (mainly Sweat). On the season to date, his PFF grade is 59.3 and Sweat's is 81.3 (16th out of 107 qualifying edge rushers). Barnett hasn't had any standout individual plays, but he was the lone pressure on one INT a few weeks ago and was on the field when the D recorded a safety. He doesn't have any penalties and hasn't been a liability while giving Sweat a breather. He's a part, albeit small, of the D-line that is playing well overall. What's with the random knock based on things that happened (and not as frequent as the legend portrays) two or more seasons ago?

You're breaking proper EMB etiquette by not at least waiting for for him to make some minuscule mistake like "almost jumping offsides" before calling him out after a win. 

This. I'll admit I was wrong about Barnett. I thought he would play more and be more effective. The 7 sack prediction was based on his sack per game production pro rated over a full year in every year apart from Gannon's first year (where we got pretty much no sacks as QBs just passed underneath to beat his soft scheme). He is clearly not recovered fully from his injury. 

That being said, as brkmsn says, he has committed no penalties nor done anything to suggest he should have been flagged. He's also been solid in limited playing time and given Sweat a rest at times. At this point to me it makes sense to keep him as part of the rotation and see if he can contribute later in the season. He's also injury insurance.

Suspect he will be an interesting flyer next year for a team on a cheap 1 year prove it contract. 

I think it's time to move on from Barnett as soon as possible....

1 hour ago, birdman#12 said:

I think it's time to move on from Barnett as soon as possible....

Well, he wasn't part of the Byard trade and he's only signed through this season, so ... unless you think cutting him for no reason is a good plan, just keep him for insurance this year. 

34 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Well, he wasn't part of the Byard trade and he's only signed through this season, so ... unless you think cutting him for no reason, just keep him for insurance this year. 

You never know, because there are other needs that could be met on this roster. The Eagles have an over abundance of defensive lineman and are thin in other areas. With Smith looking like he might be ready to play more why not move Barnett to fill a need elsewhere? This last game he has seven snaps. I’m sure they could find a way to give those snaps to someone else. After all he’s really doing nothing out there except no taking penalties. Hardly seems like he’s the irreplaceable cog you and @ManchesterEagletried to make him out to be. FYI he’s probably not getting those penalties because the Eagles are hardly using him. 

47 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You never know, because there are other needs that could be met on this roster. The Eagles have an over abundance of defensive lineman and are thin in other areas. With Smith looking like he might be ready to play more why not move Barnett to fill a need elsewhere? This last game he has seven snaps. I’m sure they could find a way to give those snaps to someone else. After all he’s really doing nothing out there except no taking penalties. Hardly seems like he’s the irreplaceable cog you and @ManchesterEagletried to make him out to be. FYI he’s probably not getting those penalties because the Eagles are hardly using him. 

Let’s calm the hype on Smith. He was completely unblocked on his sack. We know he can run. 

We never said that. You are making stuff up. We said he was a useful rotation piece and injury insurance. He is still that. What if Sweat gets hurt? Graham doesn’t play much these days and if Smith was ready he would play more.

If you are right and Barnett sucks then we will get nothing valuable for him. Moving him for the sake of it makes no sense.

 

21 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

If you are right and Barnett sucks then we will get nothing valuable for him. Moving him for the sake of it makes no sense.

What is curious to me is that we just made a trade with Tennessee that included giving up a player and that player (that we gave up) wasn't Barnett --- the former Tennessee Volunteer who requested and was given permission to seek a trade. A potential homecoming could have happened. So people are either content to wait for free agency so they can get Barnett without compensation or the Eagles don't feel teams are offering them enough value to compensate for his role on the team which also includes special teams. 

There is still some time, but he's probably the only tradeable backup on the team. I know some people would love to see Quez get traded, but it's rare to see a midseason trade for a guy on IR. I can't see the Eagles trading for anymore players before the deadline, but Howie might be looking to add a couple draft picks. Barnett is an asset that would make sense if that is the case. I just doubt it will happen since he wasn't part of today's trade. If no trade materializes, the Eagles aren't cutting him. But I would be shocked if this wasn't his last season on the Eagles.

47 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

What is curious to me is that we just made a trade with Tennessee that included giving up a player and that player (that we gave up) wasn't Barnett --- the former Tennessee Volunteer who requested and was given permission to seek a trade. A potential homecoming could have happened. So people are either content to wait for free agency so they can get Barnett without compensation or the Eagles don't feel teams are offering them enough value to compensate for his role on the team which also includes special teams. 

There is still some time, but he's probably the only tradeable backup on the team. I know some people would love to see Quez get traded, but it's rare to see a midseason trade for a guy on IR. I can't see the Eagles trading for anymore players before the deadline, but Howie might be looking to add a couple draft picks. Barnett is an asset that would make sense if that is the case. I just doubt it will happen since he wasn't part of today's trade. If no trade materializes, the Eagles aren't cutting him. But I would be shocked if this wasn't his last season on the Eagles.

I mean what it comes down to is that people want to get rid of him for emotional reasons. 

The Eagles are in win now mode. They are not going to trade away a rotation piece for next to nothing. As Howie said they don’t want to do what they had to with Quinn last year and having Barnett there gives them piece of mind. Barnett stays and hopefully he plays a bit better as the year goes on. 
 

 

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Let’s calm the hype on Smith. He was completely unblocked on his sack. We know he can run. 

We never said that. You are making stuff up. We said he was a useful rotation piece and injury insurance. He is still that. What if Sweat gets hurt? Graham doesn’t play much these days and if Smith was ready he would play more.

If you are right and Barnett sucks then we will get nothing valuable for him. Moving him for the sake of it makes no sense.

 

If Sweat gets hurt we will have a hole in our defensive line Barnett certainly does not fill that hole. Honestly I’d rather they move Carter to an end for the rest of the season than give that spot to Barnett, because Carter trying to figure out how to be a DE is still greater than Barnett playing DE. No one is saying moving on for the sake of just moving on (but let’s be honest your penalty machine has little value), but I am saying the wizard that is Howie Roseman probably can find someone willing to trade for a bigger need that an end who is only worth seven snaps. 

Is he even in the team anymore? He’s been invisible all year. Not sure I’ve heard his name mentioned once.

11 minutes ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

Is he even in the team anymore? He’s been invisible all year. Not sure I’ve heard his name mentioned once.

This thread is alive because two posters in here still suck his 'foot'balls.

Need to draft a DE & treat him like Davis or Carter; rotate in with the current group & groom to start whether by injury or Graham retires (He somehow found the fountain of youth and looks great this year, but still good to groom a young DE).

10 hours ago, NOTW said:

Need to draft a DE & treat him like Davis or Carter; rotate in with the current group & groom to start whether by injury or Graham retires (He somehow found the fountain of youth and looks great this year, but still good to groom a young DE).

Or trade for Burns! :)

34 minutes ago, judunno said:

Or trade for Burns! 🙂

Nah, Howie's down here in Nashville visiting Titans practice, seeing who else he wants to take off their hands.  

14 hours ago, LacesOut said:

This thread is alive because two posters in here still suck his 'foot'balls.

Nah - this thread is alive because you and @EazyEaglez keep bringing him back up and calling him a "penalty machine" because that's what BGN tells you to think. Can't imagine what you two would be like if he actually had a penalty this year.

@brkmsn and I have never said he's great, but just that he has been a useful rotational piece, even though he has not lived up to his draft status and that the penalties are overblown. I stand by both of those statements. He's not been great this year, coming off the injury, but he has been solid enough in limited playing time. If the Eagles are confident Smith can handle a bigger workload then maybe they move him, but unlike you they are not obsessed with getting him off the team and understand how important DE depth is. 

Barnett is in the last year of his contract so he makes no sense for a poor or rebuilding team.

I trust Howie on this. If the Eagles truly think he is done and can't help the team as part of the rotation, then if he can get something for him then great. But I suspect that they like having him around for the rotation and insurance. 

46 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Nah - this thread is alive because you and @EazyEaglez keep bringing him back up and calling him a "penalty machine" because that's what BGN tells you to think. Can't imagine what you two would be like if he actually had a penalty this year.

@brkmsn and I have never said he's great, but just that he has been a useful rotational piece, even though he has not lived up to his draft status and that the penalties are overblown. I stand by both of those statements. He's not been great this year, coming off the injury, but he has been solid enough in limited playing time. If the Eagles are confident Smith can handle a bigger workload then maybe they move him, but unlike you they are not obsessed with getting him off the team and understand how important DE depth is. 

Barnett is in the last year of his contract so he makes no sense for a poor or rebuilding team.

I trust Howie on this. If the Eagles truly think he is done and can't help the team as part of the rotation, then if he can get something for him then great. But I suspect that they like having him around for the rotation and insurance. 

This never needed to be a thread to begin with. Dude was never going to be as good as you assumed he would be. Again he’s not getting the penalties, because he’s hardly playing. He’s been in the league seven years and still hasn’t developed a pass rush move other than his stupid spin move that goes nowhere. This isn’t about his injury from last season. This is who he is. Stop making excuses for this guy. 

23 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Barnett was injured virtually the entire 2022 season. He's playing about 20-24% of the defensive snaps. His role is to provide some rest for the players ahead of him (mainly Sweat). On the season to date, his PFF grade is 59.3 and Sweat's is 81.3 (16th out of 107 qualifying edge rushers). Barnett hasn't had any standout individual plays, but he was the lone pressure on one INT a few weeks ago and was on the field when the D recorded a safety. He doesn't have any penalties and hasn't been a liability while giving Sweat a breather. He's a part, albeit small, of the D-line that is playing well overall. What's with the random knock based on things that happened (and not as frequent as the legend portrays) two or more seasons ago?

You're breaking proper EMB etiquette by not at least waiting for for him to make some minuscule mistake like "almost jumping offsides" before calling him out after a win. 

Watching that OT push him to the ground and point at him twice isn't enough?

23 hours ago, brkmsn said:

He's playing about 20-24% of the defensive snaps. 

He’s now dropped to 14% of the snaps so either the Eagles see him as a useless pice or they’re protecting him to be a trade piece. Last time this guy wanted to be traded and couldn’t find any team that found him useful enough to trade for so it’s probably the Eagles just don’t think he’s that good. 

5 hours ago, judunno said:

Watching that OT push him to the ground and point at him twice isn't enough?

Yeah, he stumbled on that play and created a highlight for the opponent. Did you notice when the QB stepped up in the pocket, Barnett was on his feet and keeping contain?

Virtually every player loses a rep in an embarrassing fashion. Last year a LB on detroit caught Kelce off guard and just rag-dolled him. Our offensive lineman have been doing that to really good players for some time. But we're talking about Barnett --- a guy that isn't in the "really good player" class. If that was happening to him every play, I'd totally be fighting for a front seat on the hate-train with you guys. I just don't quite understand why you guys get so butt-hurt that there's an empty seat with my name on it. I don't think Barnett is great. I just don't believe he's useless either, nor am I put off because of his aggressiveness. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

He’s now dropped to 14% of the snaps so either the Eagles see him as a useless pice or they’re protecting him to be a trade piece. Last time this guy wanted to be traded and couldn’t find any team that found him useful enough to trade for so it’s probably the Eagles just don’t think he’s that good. 

No, very simply the Eagles didn't have many defensive snaps and so they were able to play their best two ends for most of the game. Graham and Smith also had less snaps than they usually get.

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Yeah, he stumbled on that play and created a highlight for the opponent. Did you notice when the QB stepped up in the pocket, Barnett was on his feet and keeping contain?

Virtually every player loses a rep in an embarrassing fashion. Last year a LB on detroit caught Kelce off guard and just rag-dolled him. Our offensive lineman have been doing that to really good players for some time. But we're talking about Barnett --- a guy that isn't in the "really good player" class. If that was happening to him every play, I'd totally be fighting for a front seat on the hate-train with you guys. I just don't quite understand why you guys get so butt-hurt that there's an empty seat with my name on it. I don't think Barnett is great. I just don't believe he's useless either, nor am I put off because of his aggressiveness. 

You found another mediocre player to captain save? At this point I'm just going to consider you a contrarian. (that's a nice way to say troll)  Barnett could never play another snap and we wouldn't miss him. He doesn't contribute much other than relief for actual play makers. I'd move him in a second if the opportunity presented itself. He's just not good. GIVE ME BRIAN BURNS DAMNIT.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

No, very simply the Eagles didn't have many defensive snaps and so they were able to play their best two ends for most of the game. Graham and Smith also had less snaps than they usually get.

That’s funny because your buddy @brkmsn only talked about the percentages of snaps. Simply put if he’s considered the same as usual he would get the same percentage regardless, but that’s not what happened. His numbers dropped.

1 hour ago, judunno said:

You found another mediocre player to captain save? At this point I'm just going to consider you a contrarian. (that's a nice way to say troll)  Barnett could never play another snap and we wouldn't miss him. He doesn't contribute much other than relief for actual play makers. I'd move him in a second if the opportunity presented itself. He's just not good. GIVE ME BRIAN BURNS DAMNIT.

Maybe I'm a contrarian. Maybe you are too. I disagree with you and you disagree with me. Weird to think one is more noble than the other. 

If you're asking me if I would rather have Burns than Barnett, I would take Burns easy. But where exactly are we going to play him? Are you going to take snaps away from Sweat or Reddick? Than there's Nolan Smith. Clearly Smith is way behind Sweat, Reddick and Burns as a player, but I expected that when we drafted him. I'm excited about his potential as he develops. Realistically a team isn't going to fill up the bottom end of their roster with players like Burns. Even if they could keep a great player like that happy in a backup role, they couldn't afford to pay him what he's worth.