2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Collinsworth pointed out a few times that Miami had receivers in the same basic area multiple times.   They got away with it most of the time, but the Slay INT was 100% the result of a bad play design, or terrible execution.  No way Slay should have been able to come off his guy so easily to make that INT.  

Yep, have to admit that Miami shot themselves in the foot on several occasions last night. If they don't botch that play design / execution, and if Hill doesn't drop a gimme TD, things could've easily turned out much differently. Some of their errors were forced, but quite a few were unforced.

14 minutes ago, judunno said:

I'm guessing he's talking about pro snaps? Who knows with this guy. He typically pulls irrelevant stats out of his butt and gives them meaning in hopes that people don't understand basic logic.

Agree about his stats being irrelevant.  No relevance if 4 of six were in college when comparing the two, which really aren’t comparable.  

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Yep, have to admit that Miami shot themselves in the foot on several occasions last night. If they don't botch that play design / execution, and if Hill doesn't drop a gimme TD, things could've easily turned out much differently. Some of their errors were forced, but quite a few were unforced.

Eh...the Hill drop was followed by the 4th down non-facemask and then the Hurts pick 6. So they got the TD.

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think he played well last night.  Miami TE and RB combined reception/yards: 1/6.  Defense rarely looked confused or out of place with all the pre-snap motion.  The defense looked composed and confident.  He gets some credit for that.  And it was only his 3rd game starting.  

That's the main thing.

Desai is the man. Brian Johnson needs to be shot into the sun.

Hurts needs to stop turning the ball over.

This team has all of the talent in the world to start beating the ever loving crap out of teams, but they're being held back.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yep, have to admit that Miami shot themselves in the foot on several occasions last night. If they don't botch that play design / execution, and if Hill doesn't drop a gimme TD, things could've easily turned out much differently. Some of their errors were forced, but quite a few were unforced.

They try a lot of ambitious complicated play designs and that in itself is prone to failure. 

Any news on Hurts' injury?

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Desai is the man. Brian Johnson needs to be shot into the sun.

Hurts needs to stop turning the ball over.

This team has all of the talent in the world to start beating the ever loving crap out of teams, but they're being held back.

Other than the 3 play calls inside the 10 on the first drive what did Brian Johnson do that was so terrible?

24 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Howie has to be contacting the league about the refs and the brotherly shove right? 2nd time they called offsides on the offense when it wasn't

@judunno and I were talking about this last night. Kelce needs to wear neon yellow gloves or wristbands and notify the officials before the game to make it easy for them.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Eh...the Hill drop was followed by the 4th down non-facemask and then the Hurts pick 6. So they got the TD.

These sorts of "all else being equal" hypotheticals can be a bit of a chicken / egg scenario. If Hill scores that TD, we still get the ball and Hurts can still throw that same INT. I wouldn't necessarily say it's the same TD in this case, considering it was a change of possession. In other words, Hill dropping that ball didn't make the Hurts INT more likely. Now if the ref calls Bradberry for the facemask and they scored on the ensuing play, then I'd agree it's the same TD.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Other than the 3 play calls inside the 10 on the first drive what did Brian Johnson do that was so terrible?

I don’t like the empty sets - but if it gets AJ 1v1 that’s my problem.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

They try a lot of ambitious complicated play designs and that in itself is prone to failure. 

Agreed. They seem to be going through some growing pains just as we are.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Other than the 3 play calls inside the 10 on the first drive what did Brian Johnson do that was so terrible?

The Red zone offense has been laughable for 2 months now and he's running Hurts into a pile of defenders, repeatedly, when he's hurt.

He completely abandons the running game at times and it killed us last week when Hurts was doing nothing. 

He makes poor adjustments.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

These sorts of "all else being equal" hypotheticals can be a bit of a chicken / egg scenario. If Hill scores that TD, we still get the ball and Hurts can still throw that same INT. I wouldn't necessarily say it's the same TD in this case, considering it was a change of possession. Now if the ref calls Bradberry for the facemask and they scored on the ensuing play, then I'd agree it's the same TD.

I hear ya, but the play calling changes if they score. Plus, that was one hell of a lucky bounce on the INT.

Also, guys drop passes occasionally.

Just now, Swoop said:

The Red zone offense has been laughable for 2 months now and he's running Hurts into a pile of defenders, repeatedly, when he's hurt.

I mean, they were 4 out of 5 in the RZ last night. Sure, one was the brotherly shove. But the Goedert screen, AJ pass and Gainwell run -- it looked better last night after the 1st drive.

40 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’ve only had it once and I might as well had just guzzled down a bottle of BBQ sauce instead of paying for a pulled pork BBQ sandwich - would have tasted the same. 
 

That said, their beef jerky was pretty good. 

It’s not a bad place to stop on road trips, I just don’t get the hype and cult like following it has. It’s an over branded truck stop and there’s plenty that are just as good or better.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I hear ya, but the play calling changes if they score. Plus, that was one hell of a lucky bounce on the INT.

Also, guys drop passes occasionally.

Super lucky bounce, to be sure. It practically fell right into his lap. My original point is that we didn't do anything to force the Hill drop, it was another case of Miami shooting themselves in the foot.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Super lucky bounce, to be sure. It practically fell right into his lap. My original point is that we didn't do anything to force the Hill drop, it was another case of Miami shooting themselves in the foot.

I was praying he had caught it and then fumbled it out of the end zone...

20 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

 

I would proffer that there isn’t a lot of shoving done in the Brotherly Shove.  What the back players are mainly doing is screening Hurts. Watch how few defensive players get a hand on him.   So the role is primarily screening on most of those calls.  Look how often the back players are OZ or Gainwell.  Watch how they screen the defense from grabbing Hurts from the side or from behind.  The real shove is the OL by getting under the DL and pushing and basically closing all gaps with Hurts basically taking a FB type carry right behind them. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, they were 4 out of 5 in the RZ last night. Sure, one was the brotherly shove. But the Goedert screen, AJ pass and Gainwell run -- it looked better last night after the 1st drive.

Last night was better, I agree.

It's been terrible all season though. If last night promptly turns it around then we're all good.

Remains to be seen though.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

The Red zone offense has been laughable for 2 months now and he's running Hurts into a pile of defenders, repeatedly, when he's hurt.

He completely abandons the running game at times and it killed us last week when Hurts was doing nothing. 

He makes poor adjustments.

This is more Sirianni than Johnson 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I would proffer that there isn’t a lot of shoving done in the Brotherly Shove.  What the back players are mainly doing is screening Hurts. Watch how few defensive players get a hand on him.   So the role is primarily screening on most of those calls.  Look how often the back players are OZ or Gainwell.  Watch how they screen the defense from grabbing Hurts from the side or from behind.  The real shove is the OL by getting under the DL and pushing and basically closing all gaps with Hurts basically taking a FB type carry right behind them. 

It also seems they fold the tackles in. I think other teams are missing that detail

18 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

You must be skipping a hell of a lot of mediocre to bad BBQ places.

Every Buc-ees sandwich I have had has been at least good. I'm not expecting Pit Room BBQ quality.

Bucee’s is basically Lloyd’s in appearance.  

One of you guys is going to make a "1st and 9" t-shirt for me to buy, right?