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Eagles 24

Commanders 27

10 hours ago, Fhalbig22 said:

I’m overall down on smith this year, for someone who’s supposed to be an amazing route runner, he never seems to be that open, all his catches seem contested, and his hands aren’t that reliable. Love the kid, and I’m sure he will probably go off for 150 this weekend since I said something, but his production can be found for cheaper than what he will want. 

Perhaps that relates to the hamstring he has been nursing.  

3 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

People get enamoured with nebulous 1st round picks. In reality, we are likely to have very late selections.

Would I trade two 27-32 range picks for a 23 year CB who is on a HOFish arc? F yeah.

Yes but are you willing to give up the next 2 first round picks and more and have to give an extension when we have guys like Graham leaving, Sweat/Reddick coming up soon, then AJ vs Smith? Not to even mention a Lane replacement? It’s a lot to consider for a CB. Used to be best offense is a good defense. Maybe now it’s the opposite. But a good d-line is the best help for the back end - that’s for sure.

22 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Rivera always gets his team to play well against the Eagles, no matter how well our guys look.  Still see the Eagles have an advantage.  But some easiness nonetheless.

Julio will play and he should get more looks the second time out with the team. 

Do you have a score prediction to go with that?

3 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

People get enamoured with nebulous 1st round picks. In reality, we are likely to have very late selections.

Would I trade two 27-32 range picks for a 23 year CB who is on a HOFish arc? F yeah.

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Seems shortsighted

Only if we don’t win a SB.

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I am not disputing that the Allies provided substantial equipment to the Russians in WWII it would argue the 8.7 million military casualties of Russia and the fact the majority of German casualties were on the Eastern front are a significant factor more so than the provisioning assistance from the Allies.  It the same supports why they were essentially depleted by the time they reached Berlin.  

The provisioning assistance is what allowed them to fight and repel the Germans in the first place. People overlook the basics — boots, coats, food, fuel, etc. As the saying goes, armies march on their stomachs. 

No CB has anywhere close to the impact on an Eagles win as a dominant RT. You don't trade away 2 years of premium draft capital to get a guy offenses can just throw away from when by the time you get another 1st round pick your elite RT will be 35. All while you have to give this same CB the largest CB contract in NFL history. Who you giving up for that? Devonta? Dickerson? Sweat? Reddick?

I understand the logic of getting out of the "no man's land" of the 1st round, but the Eagles just got Jalen Carter, a 2nd, and a 3rd for pick 16. It's on them to turn those late 1s into stud rookie contract players, either through good scouting or creative draft capital management.

14 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

No CB has anywhere close to the impact on an Eagles win as a dominant RT. You don't trade away 2 years of premium draft capital to get a guy offenses can just throw away from when by the time you get another 1st round pick your elite RT will be 35. All while you have to give this same CB the largest CB contract in NFL history. Who you giving up for that? Devonta? Dickerson? Sweat? Reddick?

I understand the logic of getting out of the "no man's land" of the 1st round, but the Eagles just got Jalen Carter, a 2nd, and a 3rd for pick 16. It's on them to turn those late 1s into stud rookie contract players, either through good scouting or creative draft capital management.

Would you trade Andre Dillard and Jalen Reagor for Patrick Surtain II? Those were back-to-back 1st round picks that Howie made when the Eagles were picking in the 20s in 2019 and 2020. 

I hate giving up draft picks but if the player to be had is the best at his position, on a rookie deal for 2 more years and not even 24 yet, I'm all about it. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Schefter is either bored, drunk or lost all his sources. 

Seriously. Schefter is just regurgitating midweek quotes about Hurts and Byard. The agents must have given all the good stuff to Rapoport this week. 

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Would you trade Andre Dillard and Jalen Reagor for Patrick Surtain II? Those were back-to-back 1st round picks that Howie made when the Eagles were picking in the 20s in 2019 and 2020. 

I hate giving up draft picks but if the player to be had is the best at his position, on a rookie deal for 2 more years and not even 24 yet, I'm all about it. 

I’m not saying make the trade for surtain. I think it’s a steep price even for a kid as young as him and immense talent. However i just dislike when people make the argument we have to have those first round picks to find Lane’s replacement. Especially when next two years it likely we are picking 22-32. 

Lane Johnson was a top five pick. Go look at the drafts since 2010. How many OT went on to have close to the play Lane in picks 19-32? Maybe 1. How many are just solid OT where you couldn’t find that same value later in the draft along with having stoutland. Since 2010 to 2022 here’s all the OT taken picks 19-32.

Brian Bulaga (23rd)

derek Sherrod (32nd)

gabe carimi (29th)

james carpenter (25th)

anthony costanzo (22nd)

riley reiff (23rd)

justin Pugh (19th)

ju’wan James (19th)

cedric ogbuehi (21st)

DJ humphries (24th)

germain ifedi (31st)

ryan ramczyk (32)

garrett bolles (20th) 

isaiah Wynn (23rd)

kaleb mcgary (31st)

andre dillard (22nd)

tytus Howard (23rd)

isaiah Wilson (29th)

christian darrisaw (23rd)

trevor penning (19th)

tyler smith (24th)

Some nice players not exactly a lot do great or guys I’d say you couldn’t find equally as talented in the 2-4th round in the same time period. I have stoutland who’s been pretty good at finding guys and identifying guys he likes and maximizing their talent. I don’t think it’s a requirement to take a OT in the first round to replace lane. You have likely 2 more years. Can take one 2-3 rounds and he gets groomed by stoutland. If we keep those firsts I’m open to positions such as Cb, pass rusher, OT, OL (jurgens moves inside I’m not against taking a OG with positional versatility if they are Uber talented) and even LB (very end of first like picks 30-32 i can get on board)

5 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

People get enamoured with nebulous 1st round picks. In reality, we are likely to have very late selections.

Would I trade two 27-32 range picks for a 23 year CB who is on a HOFish arc? F yeah.

Pitt got a good one after we got Smith. We don't need the best. We need a good one and help rebuilding the OL and DEs.

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Seriously. Schefter is just regurgitating midweek quotes about Hurts and Byard. The agents must have given all the good stuff to Rapoport this week. 

It’s all become so lame. These guys don’t actually work to get inside info. They just act as mouthpieces for agents and gms who call them minutes before things get announced as payment 

1 hour ago, Infam said:

Only if we don’t win a SB.

We did

13 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

We did

I meant: If we trade for him and lose it was short sighted. If we trade for him and win another it will go down as a smart move.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying make the trade for surtain. I think it’s a steep price even for a kid as young as him and immense talent. However i just dislike when people make the argument we have to have those first round picks to find Lane’s replacement. Especially when next two years it likely we are picking 22-32. 

Lane Johnson was a top five pick. Go look at the drafts since 2010. How many OT went on to have close to the play Lane in picks 19-32? Maybe 1. How many are just solid OT where you couldn’t find that same value later in the draft along with having stoutland. Since 2010 to 2022 here’s all the OT taken picks 19-32.

Brian Bulaga (23rd)

derek Sherrod (32nd)

gabe carimi (29th)

james carpenter (25th)

anthony costanzo (22nd)

riley reiff (23rd)

justin Pugh (19th)

ju’wan James (19th)

cedric ogbuehi (21st)

DJ humphries (24th)

germain ifedi (31st)

ryan ramczyk (32)

garrett bolles (20th) 

isaiah Wynn (23rd)

kaleb mcgary (31st)

andre dillard (22nd)

tytus Howard (23rd)

isaiah Wilson (29th)

christian darrisaw (23rd)

trevor penning (19th)

tyler smith (24th)

Some nice players not exactly a lot do great or guys I’d say you couldn’t find equally as talented in the 2-4th round in the same time period. I have stoutland who’s been pretty good at finding guys and identifying guys he likes and maximizing their talent. I don’t think it’s a requirement to take a OT in the first round to replace lane. You have likely 2 more years. Can take one 2-3 rounds and he gets groomed by stoutland. If we keep those firsts I’m open to positions such as Cb, pass rusher, OT, OL (jurgens moves inside I’m not against taking a OG with positional versatility if they are Uber talented) and even LB (very end of first like picks 30-32 i can get on board)

Lane Johnson is the best OT of his generation and probably the greatest pure athlete in the history of the NFL at his position.

We aren’t getting him again.

That said, I’m not sure why you would limit it to pick 19 and lower. With the New Orleans second we can get up to about the 15th overall pick. And once you get into that range, there is a reasonable chance at getting a long term starter/pro bowl level player.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Lane Johnson is the best OT of his generation and probably the greatest pure athlete in the history of the NFL at his position.

We aren’t getting him again.

That said, I’m not sure why you would limit it to pick 19 and lower. With the New Orleans second we can get up to about the 15th overall pick. And once you get into that range, there is a reasonable chance at getting a long term starter/pro bowl level player.

Cause we’re discussing the eagles first round picks not if they traded up from the end of the first to move up. So you’d re also willing to give up a second on potential hit or bust. You might very well get a Andre dillard or Erick flowers who’s not worth the trade up. You act like it’s reasonable to assume they’d get good value trading up cause they are picking 15. Go look there’s not as many OT over that time period worth moving up and trading from back end to 9-20 range.  Here let’s do 9-20 over the same period of time 

Anthony Davis 

DJ fulker

Justin Pugh 

Ju’wan James 

Andrus Peat (came out as Ot but plays G in nfl)

erick Flowers (9th)

Laramey tunsil 

Garrett bolles

Kolton Miller 

Jonah Williams 

Jedriks wills

Mekhi becton 

tristan wirfs 

Austin Jackson 

Rashawn slater 

alex leatherwood 

Trevor penning

So 17 OTs taken since 2010 to 2022 in the 9-20 range. Only 4 I’d consider great trade value where I’d trade my second rounder to move up to get (slater, wirfs, peat (who’s been an OG not OT but came out as a OT) and tunsil). And tunsil only fell cause of a marijuana gas mask leak so at the time not many were willing to trade up for him when something like that went down. The rest (76.5%) don’t think it’s worth the trade up. Not exactly thrilled to give up a second for Austin jackson, Jonah Williams or bolles type players who are solid but i rather find value round 2-4 knowing you have stoutland and have my own first and saints second rounder instead of trading up with them.

i don’t think they should trade 2 firsts for surtain. But currently that saints pick holds a 410 value on the draft value chart. If the eagles pick at 30 it’s 620. Hypothetically let’s say the eagles pick 30 in 2024 and 28th in 2025 (which since 2025 is a year away it’s actually less value according to the chart) but let’s just say it’s is how much that’s worth on the draft value chart 660. So total 1280 (that equals to the 11th pick in the 2024 draft) for Patrick surtain who is a proven first team all pro corner (last year) with 2.5 years left on his rookie deal (5th year rookie option his last year of rookie deal). But you would ok giving up 1030 to move up to acquire the pick (essentially pick 15) for the hope at OT that you get a long term starter that might be an all pro/pro bowler or bust eventually. That could be just as damning if not worse if you get it wrong and he turns out like dillard  

I don’t think the Eagles should trade for surtain and i also think its can be just as dangerous trading up. And I have a feeling to move up from 30-32 it’s likely gonna cost you more than that 2nd round pick to get inside the top 15 as teams in that area are less likely to want to move all the way back to 30-32. there is usually a significant drop in talent off from 10-15 to 30-32. Definite chance teams picking in that area only want to move down a couple spots rather than 15-20 slots. So might have to overpay with more than a second to get up high enough to get the guy you covet who might just be solid or a bust. So in theory we can say yeah we can just move up and get the guy we want but you have to also account for the fact teams in that area might not wanna move the 31 or 32 regardless of you giving a second round pick as the talent drop off hits around that area or in order for them to do so ask you for more than just your 30th and the saints second rounder to move back that far. 

Sunday morning Predictions Update

50 predictions recorded with 9 hours left until Kickoff  47 for an Eagles win and 3 for a Red Menace triumph.  Average predicted score is Eagles 31 Commies 16

A list of the predictions is presented below, sorted alphabetically by the name of the predictor.  If you don't see your name there, then I haven't yet recorded a prediction for you.  As Smoky Bear often says "Only YOU can prevent missing predictions!" 

 

It's Week 8.....Wow, where did the time go?  Middle of the Season and Bye Week is around the corner. The Birds are headed to a NFC Beast Back To Back Showdown.   Before we get to those Cowboys.  We have to play the Commanders again in the same month.  The Birds are 6-1 and leading the Entire NFC for the 2nd straight year while Washington is 3-4 and going in the wrong direction.  Washington and Eagles goes back over 90 Years and is one of the most Historical Rivalries in NFL History.  They lead the All Time Series 89-83-5.    With that said, the Eagles are 10-3 over the last 13 Matchups.  Including going 5-1 in Washington.   They always play us hard in Philly but it seems the Birds do much better against them in Washington.   After starting 2-0, Washington has been on a 1-4 slide.  Sam Howell has been sacked 40 times which is a record pace.  Does Washington have talent? Sure they do.  The Problem is that O-Line has had issues protecting Sam.   He's also still very young and going through growing pains.   Washington Defense is also giving up a lot of points this year.   

I'm sure some may view this as a Trap Game with Dallas on the horizon.   Sadly the Jets Game was the big Trap Game of this season.  And the Eagles fell right through that trap door even though they were winning the game less than 2 minutes to go.    Washington took the Birds to Overtime, no way the Eagles will take them lightly.   With all that said, this is a situation of two teams going in different directions.  Washington's problem is the Eagles are much better since they last saw each other.    The Defense has finally come together especially after shutting down the Dolphins #1 Offense.   AJ is on an absolute historic run.  While Washington hasn't play that great since then. Yes they went point for point last time and took us to OT but I think the Defense causes Sam Howell more issues this go around.   The Birds Defense has only allowed 14 PPG on the Road.  Sadly our Offense is only score about 22PPG.   I think the Offense puts up the most Road Points this season while the Defense gives Sam Howell all he can Handle. The Birds won't be looking ahead to Dallas.  They will take care of business.  Yes NFC Beast games can be very weird and fluky.  But again the Birds are the better team.   AJ Brown for the the NFL Record?  Definitely in the cards.  Time to end the Month the way it started, with a W over Washington.   Birds take the Sweep and advance to 7-1.

 

BIRDS - 27

WASHINGTON - 13

 

JALEN - RUSH TD

AJ - TD

DEVONTA - TD

JAKE - FG x2

 

DEFENSE - INT, MULTIPLE SACKS

Given that our worst defensive performance of the season was in week 4 against Washington, I expect to see a fired up defense this week. That game had Bradberry in the slot, Jobe outside and Edmunds at S. Dean was also out. Should be more sound in the back-end to let the DL feast. 

At the same time, Washington always plays us hard. They get up for these games.

We win it late as our talent takes over.

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying make the trade for surtain. I think it’s a steep price even for a kid as young as him and immense talent. However i just dislike when people make the argument we have to have those first round picks to find Lane’s replacement. Especially when next two years it likely we are picking 22-32. 

Lane Johnson was a top five pick. Go look at the drafts since 2010. How many OT went on to have close to the play Lane in picks 19-32? Maybe 1. How many are just solid OT where you couldn’t find that same value later in the draft along with having stoutland. Since 2010 to 2022 here’s all the OT taken picks 19-32.

Brian Bulaga (23rd)

derek Sherrod (32nd)

gabe carimi (29th)

james carpenter (25th)

anthony costanzo (22nd)

riley reiff (23rd)

justin Pugh (19th)

ju’wan James (19th)

cedric ogbuehi (21st)

DJ humphries (24th)

germain ifedi (31st)

ryan ramczyk (32)

garrett bolles (20th) 

isaiah Wynn (23rd)

kaleb mcgary (31st)

andre dillard (22nd)

tytus Howard (23rd)

isaiah Wilson (29th)

christian darrisaw (23rd)

trevor penning (19th)

tyler smith (24th)

Some nice players not exactly a lot do great or guys I’d say you couldn’t find equally as talented in the 2-4th round in the same time period. I have stoutland who’s been pretty good at finding guys and identifying guys he likes and maximizing their talent. I don’t think it’s a requirement to take a OT in the first round to replace lane. You have likely 2 more years. Can take one 2-3 rounds and he gets groomed by stoutland. If we keep those firsts I’m open to positions such as Cb, pass rusher, OT, OL (jurgens moves inside I’m not against taking a OG with positional versatility if they are Uber talented) and even LB (very end of first like picks 30-32 i can get on board)

Lane's replacement is not coming in the form of a draft pick in the 20s, I'd put money on that.  Let's look at their tackles and what the Eagles invested in them.

-Jason Peters was acquired for a 1st round pick.

-Lane Johnson was a top 5 draft pick

-Tra Thomas was the 11th pick in the draft

-Jon Runyan was a huge FA signing and changed the culture of the team

-Jordan Mailata was a 7th round pick (we all know they won't get that lucky again)

-Andre Dillard was picked at 22 (traded up for him too)

What this tells me is that unless the Eagles are in the top 10 again, they will look at other ways to bring in their next RT. 

I’ll repeat what I said a few days ago; Desai should blitz frequently on 3rd down to confuse Howell.  Martindale brought pressure from lots of different defenders and Howell looked clueless on how to react.  Giants held WAS to 7 points.

Of course the Eagles can get pressure and sacks bringing 4 DL, but despite getting 5 sacks, Howell was able to put up consistent production and points.  Gotta confuse the rookie QB today 

6 hours ago, TEW said:

Lane Johnson is the best OT of his generation and probably the greatest pure athlete in the history of the NFL at his position.

We aren’t getting him again.

That said, I’m not sure why you would limit it to pick 19 and lower. With the New Orleans second we can get up to about the 15th overall pick. And once you get into that range, there is a reasonable chance at getting a long term starter/pro bowl level player.

Let's assume the Eagles are picking in the late 20s. Like I said earlier, the value of that late 1st is anywhere from 660-590. The 2nd round pick is worth 410 points. Assuming the Eagles are in the same spot next year as they are built for success, they might have two straight 1st round picks with a value of 600ish.

Would you rather:

-Trade a 1st and a 2nd with a combined value of 1,000 points to move up for a player who: A. Outside of injuries, isn't going to play until after 2026 and B. Is still a gamble and an unknown (example Dillard)

-Trade two 1st round picks with a value of 1,200 for the best CB in the NFL who's only 24 years old

 

Let's say that the Eagles DO trade 2024 and 2025 1st round picks for Surtain before the draft leaving them with their 2nd round picks. They still have those two 2nd round picks to move up. The combined value of their current picks is 694. Pick 26 has a value of 700, so if there's a player that falls in the 1st round, they can still move up. 

 

8 hours ago, TEW said:

The provisioning assistance is what allowed them to fight and repel the Germans in the first place. People overlook the basics — boots, coats, food, fuel, etc. As the saying goes, armies march on their stomachs. 

Yup - I’d characterize that US aid got the Russians off the ropes earlier (while they relocated their industry) and allowed the knock out late (as American supplied trucks enabled the offensive momentum). A lot fighting throughout that the Russians should take credit for - as the losses are nothing we’ve seen proportionally since the ACW.

 

Fan runs on to the field, get's obliterated by security guard. Protesters stop CAL/USC game and nothing is done. Should have treated them like they do any other person who runs on to the field.

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

 

Stupid youth football playoffs today. 

2 games at 1:00

I'll get home around 5 maybe and have to watch the game on recording. 

No posting about the game till about 7:00 please.  I should be caught up by then.