7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Fan runs on to the field, get's obliterated by security guard. Protesters stop CAL/USC game and nothing is done. Should have treated them like they do any other person who runs on to the field.

The overall softness and entitlement of our current culture.  They’ve never been witness to an actual war and lack the capacity to understand what it is to be attacked in an existential sense 

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Let's assume the Eagles are picking in the late 20s. Like I said earlier, the value of that late 1st is anywhere from 660-590. The 2nd round pick is worth 410 points. Assuming the Eagles are in the same spot next year as they are built for success, they might have two straight 1st round picks with a value of 600ish.

Would you rather:

-Trade a 1st and a 2nd with a combined value of 1,000 points to move up for a player who: A. Outside of injuries, isn't going to play until after 2026 and B. Is still a gamble and an unknown (example Dillard)

-Trade two 1st round picks with a value of 1,200 for the best CB in the NFL who's only 24 years old

 

Let's say that the Eagles DO trade 2024 and 2025 1st round picks for Surtain before the draft leaving them with their 2nd round picks. They still have those two 2nd round picks to move up. The combined value of their current picks is 694. Pick 26 has a value of 700, so if there's a player that falls in the 1st round, they can still move up. 

 

If I'm going to trade multiple 1st rounders and pay a huge contract I'd prefer using those assets on OT, DE, or QB.  I think those positions impact the game on every play.

The idea of a Surtain is fun, but with just resigning both our CBs to large contracts seems like a odd time to get Surtain not just for the cost but how it would impact the team in the locker room.  Slay or Bradberry would have to sit.  That would definitely create fissures, players taking sides, etc.  I wouldn't rock the boat now.  The SB is there for the taking as we look as dominate as there is in the league. I think if it happens, the off season is far more realistic and a better time to do it.

Also, I think I think if Denver really wants to trade the off season will bring them a much better package.

26 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Lane's replacement is not coming in the form of a draft pick in the 20s, I'd put money on that.  Let's look at their tackles and what the Eagles invested in them.

-Jason Peters was acquired for a 1st round pick.

-Lane Johnson was a top 5 draft pick

-Tra Thomas was the 11th pick in the draft

-Jon Runyan was a huge FA signing and changed the culture of the team

-Jordan Mailata was a 7th round pick (we all know they won't get that lucky again)

-Andre Dillard was picked at 22 (traded up for him too)

What this tells me is that unless the Eagles are in the top 10 again, they will look at other ways to bring in their next RT. 

they have to, unless there's a draft class that's very deep in oline, i would say take one. every draft class in every year is different when it comes to elite talent, that's why it's so difficult to build a team just thru the draft because you dont know what the positions are good and what postions arent. that's why howie is so good at building this roster because he knows exactly what's good in the draft class and if it's not good, he will go out and get it and not wait for it to fall in his lap.

his aggressiveness is the reason why we are so good, i wish alot of gms were like him.

37 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Lane's replacement is not coming in the form of a draft pick in the 20s, I'd put money on that.  Let's look at their tackles and what the Eagles invested in them.

-Jason Peters was acquired for a 1st round pick.

-Lane Johnson was a top 5 draft pick

-Tra Thomas was the 11th pick in the draft

-Jon Runyan was a huge FA signing and changed the culture of the team

-Jordan Mailata was a 7th round pick (we all know they won't get that lucky again)

-Andre Dillard was picked at 22 (traded up for him too)

What this tells me is that unless the Eagles are in the top 10 again, they will look at other ways to bring in their next RT. 

I think what it tells you is that the Eagles put a premium on acquiring top talent at the OT spots.  And seeing as they have used multiple methods going back decades, we can't be certain of what path they will take this time around either.  I think what it shows is that they don't see it as a single avenue path.  That said, it is extremely rare for a team to trade away a young stud LT.  The Peters situation was just as much a unicorn as drafting a guy like Mailata in the 7th.   They absolutely could try to do an overpay for a free agent OT.  But remember, Runyan wasn't as highly regarded coming in as he became once he landed here.  And he was a former 4th round pick, IIRC.  Brandon Brooks was a free agent they added also (yes, an OG, not an OT), but was a former 3rd round pick.  My point is, not every stud has to come in the top 10 of the draft.  There are studs to be found later, and its the job of the scouting department to find them.   And, unlike other positions, I generally trust them to find OL.  

17 hours ago, mattwill said:

Interesting comments.  In almost all negotiating situations you do not want to be the person who "puts the first number on the table" so there is a dance of wills that goes on about who will be the first.  By following the approach described by Thomas Dimitroff, Howie takes that dance of wills off the table.  He puts the first number on the table.  it isn't a realistic number, but it breaks the iced and also puts the other GM into the position of having to make the next move ... a counter offer.

 

Actually the idea of putting the first number on the table is called "grounding”.  The thought is to drive the value.  Low ball the number and the thought is that the other side will lower their expectations.  Shoot for the moon, and the thought is that the other side will react by over valuing the cost and respond higher.  I suspect when selling that Howie always tries to set a higher value.  But I suspect when buying he has a valuation in mind and sticks to that.   I do wonder how concessions work for him.   That’s when negotiations aren’t just for money.   In salary negotiations, I imagine a lot of concession talk comes up, like injury history, all performance metrics, including the use of incentives. In trades, it’s probably in areas like salary conversions, escalations etc.  I like how BB had a tendency to seek draft capital as part of deals such as giving a high choice to get a player but almost always getting a low choice as part of the bargain.  Interesting what he is doing this year.  It is almost like he has banked the comp picks and feels trading away the Eagles picks is not much of a move down to where he expects his draft picks to be.  Success comes at the bye where we see what extensions he does. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think what it tells you is that the Eagles put a premium on acquiring top talent at the OT spots.  And seeing as they have used multiple methods going back decades, we can't be certain of what path they will take this time around either.  I think what it shows is that they don't see it as a single avenue path.  That said, it is extremely rare for a team to trade away a young stud LT.  The Peters situation was just as much a unicorn as drafting a guy like Mailata in the 7th.   They absolutely could try to do an overpay for a free agent OT.  But remember, Runyan wasn't as highly regarded coming in as he became once he landed here.  And he was a former 4th round pick, IIRC.  Brandon Brooks was a free agent they added also (yes, an OG, not an OT), but was a former 3rd round pick.  My point is, not every stud has to come in the top 10 of the draft.  There are studs to be found later, and its the job of the scouting department to find them.   And, unlike other positions, I generally trust them to find OL.  

Agree 100% and that's why I'm saying they don't need to hang their hats on using late 1st round picks on one. 

Hell, there's a chance that Steen could be the LT and Mailata gets moved to RT down the road. We just don't know.

 

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Stupid youth football playoffs today. 

2 games at 1:00

I'll get home around 5 maybe and have to watch the game on recording. 

No posting about the game till about 7:00 please.  I should be caught up by then. 

Sorry I already posted the score to mattwill 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Agree 100% and that's why I'm saying they don't need to hang their hats on using late 1st round picks on one. 

Hell, there's a chance that Steen could be the LT and Mailata gets moved to RT down the road. We just don't know.

 

Agreed.  But, that said, I don't see them giving away multiple firsts for Surtain... because given where the Eagles are drafting... the price will be higher than just 2. 

 

By not making that trade, they keep their options open for all manner of moves.  Surtain would be a coup to land, but the price tag makes it a non-starter.   The Broncos are going to try to squeeze every ounce of value out of him... or just keep him.  Because of all the reasons that it makes sense for the Eagles to overpay for him, is all the more reason for the Broncos to hold fast and keep him for themselves.  The NFL isn't a 5+ year process to rebuild anymore.   It can be done much faster, if the right moves are made.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  But, that said, I don't see them giving away multiple firsts for Surtain... because given where the Eagles are drafting... the price will be higher than just 2. 

 

By not making that trade, they keep their options open for all manner of moves.  Surtain would be a coup to land, but the price tag makes it a non-starter.   The Broncos are going to try to squeeze every ounce of value out of him... or just keep him.  Because of all the reasons that it makes sense for the Eagles to overpay for him, is all the more reason for the Broncos to hold fast and keep him for themselves.  The NFL isn't a 5+ year process to rebuild anymore.   It can be done much faster, if the right moves are made.  

They aren't going to make the trade, I know that. I just like playing around with scenarios to see if it could be done or how they could make it work. 

I do think they end up trading for a veteran CB after the season though. I just don't think Howie is successful at drafting CB and again, if you can get a known commodity for a late round 1st, rather than gamble, I'm all for it. I still think a guy like Jaycee Horn should be a target for them. 

It’s a ludicrous notion that the only way they can get a RT through the draft is top 10. That’s where they got one of their OL once. They can hit on a guy at the end of rd 1. That does happen

Just now, bpac55 said:

They aren't going to make the trade, I know that. I just like playing around with scenarios to see if it could be done or how they could make it work. 

I do think they end up trading for a veteran CB after the season though. I just don't think Howie is successful at drafting CB and again, if you can get a known commodity for a late round 1st, rather than gamble, I'm all for it. I still think a guy like Jaycee Horn should be a target for them. 

That's tricky with the current stable of CBs... it might be a case of waiting out the Slay/Bradberry deals before making that type of move.   Horn could be had as a free agent after 2024.  That seems like the way Howie would prefer to go... or maybe a deadline deal in 2024 if either Slay or Bradberry prove that they are too far gone.  

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This one will be won in the trenches.  I expect quick passes again from the commies.  It is a real challenge to run inside on them.  But the Eagles seem to be humming more now than the earlier game.  A lot depends on Lane, who faces a bigger challenge this week.  Hurts needs to avoid the turnovers and sacks.  This team is beatable and the DL is cruising compared to the last game.  I think Howell meets his league leading four sack average,

Eagles 27 Wasteam 17

Bonus: Brown gets 125 to beat out Megatron in the record books.

 

My newest art piece. I call it….premature ejaculation in the form of a shirt (so of course I own it).

 

 

Says a lot about the quality of the NFL this season

 

5 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Says a lot about the quality of the NFL this season

 

I’m not sure any of those teams are even as good as those records 

Good observation. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m not sure any of those teams are even as good as those records 

No. I'm a remote worker, so can catch up on games while working.  I didn't bother with MNF and TNF this week; just had no desire to watch the games when I had more interesting podcasts to listen to. 

Eagles-28

Deadskins-17

Bonus:

Kentavius Street Sack

Julio Jones TD

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@TorontoEagle 

51 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

If I'm going to trade multiple 1st rounders and pay a huge contract I'd prefer using those assets on OT, DE, or QB.  I think those positions impact the game on every play.

The idea of a Surtain is fun, but with just resigning both our CBs to large contracts seems like a odd time to get Surtain not just for the cost but how it would impact the team in the locker room.  Slay or Bradberry would have to sit.  That would definitely create fissures, players taking sides, etc.  I wouldn't rock the boat now.  The SB is there for the taking as we look as dominate as there is in the league. I think if it happens, the off season is far more realistic and a better time to do it.

Also, I think I think if Denver really wants to trade the off season will bring them a much better package.

yep. Surtain is a Madden idea. Not one that makes sense in real life with this team, this year. 

31 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It’s a ludicrous notion that the only way they can get a RT through the draft is top 10. That’s where they got one of their OL once. They can hit on a guy at the end of rd 1. That does happen

 

How many tackles drafted anywhere in the last 15 years have been close to Lane? I would be surprised if the Eagles ever had another tackle the caliber of Lane Johnson in the next 30+ years. He's that good and will never be replaced.

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eagles 31

commanders 13

D gets a strip sack 

smith 125 yards receiving and a TD

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Eagles 28- Commies 23.

Bonus- Byard with a pick.

22 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Says a lot about the quality of the NFL this season

 

Not sure if it's that uncommon to only have 2 games of above .500 teams facing off at this point in the year. Really more of an indication of parity in the NFL than quality. If there were perfect parity across the league, the number would actually be zero games meeting that criteria. The odd thing this year is no teams are on a bye week, but otherwise for a slate of 14 games in prior years, there's probably been quite a few seasons where only 2 games would meet the criteria.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not sure if it's that uncommon to only have 2 games of above .500 teams facing off at this point in the year. Really more of an indication of parity in the NFL than quality. If there were perfect parity across the league, the number would actually be zero games meeting that criteria. The odd thing this year is no teams are on a bye week, but otherwise for a slate of 14 games in prior years, there's probably been quite a few seasons where only 2 games would meet the criteria.

The parity isn't very good to watch; you can have exciting parity and bad parity.  This is bad parity. 

Steelers aren't great, Pats aren't great, Ravens are inconsistent, Bronco stink, Cards and Colts are overall not talented tea,s. Bears are awful, Vikes not good, Seahawks are decent, Bills inconsistent, Giants and Commies are historically mediocre, Cowboys overrated, Chargers too inconsistent again, Rams are rebuilding, Panthers are bad, Texans quietly ascending, Saints just the same mediocrity. Jets are the Jets, etc

The Chiefs, Eagles, Whiners are a cut above.  Ratings may be good, but the overall product is not.