30 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

The term "Glory Hole" can have two substantially different meanings depending on context. One is used in the oil wildcat business where Jerry made his $$$$$. I know it was the oil business and I think it was wildcatting. I'm sure he knows both meanings.

Funny, I wrote a book about Texas Oil and I never came across that term with regard to wildcats.

It does refer to offshore drilling:

A glory hole in the context of the offshore petroleum industry is an excavation into the sea floor designed to protect the wellhead equipment installed at the surface of a petroleum well from icebergs or pack ice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_hole_(petroleum_production)

8 minutes ago, judunno said:

Surrrree. I think you want them to fear him more than Oz. It's highly doubtful anyone cares until he actually makes a play or two. He's not doing that from the cold bath anyway

Surerreee, I think you want Quez to be less than he is for whatever reason And Oz more than he is.🤷‍♂️

You are correct though no defense is worried about Quez when he's in the tub.

Am I wrong in thinking that we'd be a 3 win team right now without AJ? Running game was good the first few games but the offense has been fairly impotent outside of Hurts throwing up the ball and praying that he comes down with the ball lately. I don't trust BJ's playcalling ability enough to bridge that talent gap right now.

3 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Am I wrong in thinking that we'd be a 3 win team right now without AJ? Running game was good the first few games but it's been fairly impotent outside of Hurts throwing up the ball and praying that he comes down with the ball lately. I don't trust BJ's playcalling ability enough to bridge that talent gap right now.

Yes.  Likely not 7 wins, but maybe 5 though.  Not just 3.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.  Likely not 7 wins, but maybe 5 though.  Not just 3.

Kind of think they’d be closer to 4-4 tbh. Feel like both commanders games without him are likely losses. And rams game to me is a toss up without him. He had some huge plays in that game

 

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Funny, I wrote a book about Texas Oil and I never came across that term with regard to wildcats.

It does refer to offshore drilling:

A glory hole in the context of the offshore petroleum industry is an excavation into the sea floor designed to protect the wellhead equipment installed at the surface of a petroleum well from icebergs or pack ice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_hole_(petroleum_production)

I thought it had to do with the first well of what turns out to be a productive field. I'll certainly go with your version over mine.

21 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Am I wrong in thinking that we'd be a 3 win team right now without AJ? Running game was good the first few games but the offense has been fairly impotent outside of Hurts throwing up the ball and praying that he comes down with the ball lately. I don't trust BJ's playcalling ability enough to bridge that talent gap right now.

 

Just now, vaeagle2 said:

 

It came about because I was arguing with people why AJ could arguably be MVP right now since for whatever reason only Tyreek has been getting mentioned at WR. I'd say that he's more critical to our success right now than Tyreek is to the Dolphins.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Kind of think they’d be closer to 4-4 tbh. Feel like both commanders games without him are likely losses. And rams game to me is a toss up without him. He had some huge plays in that game

This was my thinking as well. Commanders are probably guaranteed losses without him. Then Rams and Dolphins could both be L's as well. Rams likely, Dolphins game probably looks a lot different.

I too believe without our best players we’d be a worse team. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

I too believe without our best players we’d be a worse team. 

 

@mattwill

Man I really hate to do this and for the record  the Eagles are the better team but I think Dallas is a matchup nightmare Dak always shows up for the birds He’s 8-3 against us. I got it

Dallas 27

Eagles 17 

Bonus : Dak 250 yards passing and 2passing TDs. 

50 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Am I wrong in thinking that we'd be a 3 win team right now without AJ? Running game was good the first few games but the offense has been fairly impotent outside of Hurts throwing up the ball and praying that he comes down with the ball lately. I don't trust BJ's playcalling ability enough to bridge that talent gap right now.

Yes…I love AJ, but he not worth 4 additional wins in 8 games.  That’s insane

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Kind of think they’d be closer to 4-4 tbh. Feel like both commanders games without him are likely losses. And rams game to me is a toss up without him. He had some huge plays in that game

AJ is not worth 3 extra wins in 8 games either…

If AJ all of a sudden appeared on the injury report as being out for this coming game, the Eagles would probably still be favored.  Perhaps only by 1…but they would be favored

10 minutes ago, McMVP said:

AJ is not worth 3 extra wins in 8 games either…

Don’t think they are winning the two commanders games without him. So that’s 2 right there. That rams he made a ton of plays particularly the end of the first half that really contributed majorly to them winning and changing the dynamic of that game. Like i said that’s a toss up. But them losing 3 other games without him is really not out of the question 

It’s likely completely different offense without him and much easier to defend. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Surerreee, I think you want Quez to be less than he is for whatever reason And Oz more than he is.🤷‍♂️

You are correct though no defense is worried about Quez when he's in the tub.

Not worried about him when he's out of it either lol. Oz is available he's fine as a 4th or 5th guy. Julio is #3 now.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They definitely aren’t winning the two commanders games without him. So that’s 2 right there. That rams he made a ton of plays particularly the end of the first half that really contributed to them winning. Like i said that’s a toss up. But them losing 3 other games without him is really not out of the question 

When you say this… You are assuming that the game plan being called is the exact same way with AJ Brown, or without him.  There’s no way they would go into the game with the same plan without him… I don’t think anybody is accounting for the fact that they would adapt to what they had (and what they didn’t have).  You would be looking at a completely different game altogether.  You cannot just subtract AJ Brown’s production and call it a loss
 

5 hours ago, McMVP said:

When you say this… You are assuming that the game plan being called is the exact same way with AJ Brown, or without him.  There’s no way they would go into the game with the same plan without him… I don’t think anybody is accounting for the fact that they would adapt to what they had (and what they didn’t have).  You would be looking at a completely different game altogether.  You cannot just subtract AJ Brown’s production and call it a loss
 

You’re under the assumption the offense is gonna be just as good without him. It’s a completely different offense without one of the top 3 WRs in the league. Remove him you think the Eagles are gonna be scoring at the pace that they are? No. He’s been their passing offense in some of these games

i think you are undervaluing how great of a season he’s having and how many times the offense looked like it was struggling and they were like F it throw it to aj.  

imo removing Qb from the equation. Because that’s the most important position on the field. If lane Johnson or aj brown went out I think they are the most devastating injuries to the offense.  You take away aj brown, smith is about the only WR that scares anyone but way easier to defend. 

i’d argue per game, AJ Brown is probably worth at least  (after reconsideration) 4 points to touchdown to the Eagles when you consider how many touchdowns scored, how many drives he keeps alive with critical first down pick ups and just how much attention he gets that opens things up for other guys on the field. A 4 points to touchdown is a massive difference in the NFL. I’m not talking betting lines.  I’m taking about the eagles scoring points every game. I don’t see the eagles being close to 28 ppg without him.

8 minutes ago, McMVP said:

When you say this… You are assuming that the game plan being called is the exact same way with AJ Brown, or without him.  There’s no way they would go into the game with the same plan without him… I don’t think anybody is accounting for the fact that they would adapt to what they had (and what they didn’t have).  You would be looking at a completely different game altogether.  You cannot just subtract AJ Brown’s production and call it a loss
 

The offense hasn't been good a majority of the time lately outside of AJ making miracle plays. If the scheme is bad with AJ and all the attention he commands, it's not going to be better with him out. The OL play has dropped with Opeta as well so that also neuters the running game.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Funny, I wrote a book about Texas Oil and I never came across that term with regard to wildcats.

It does refer to offshore drilling:

A glory hole in the context of the offshore petroleum industry is an excavation into the sea floor designed to protect the wellhead equipment installed at the surface of a petroleum well from icebergs or pack ice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_hole_(petroleum_production)

It is also a term used in water retention.  We have a primne example just up the road at the Monticello Dam/Lake Berryessa

 

While I’d love another 44-6 game, I don’t think it's likely.

Eagles - 34

Cowgirls - 27

Bonus: The defense records four sacks and two turnovers.

@mattwill

14 minutes ago, bitbased said:

The offense hasn't been good a majority of the time lately outside of AJ making miracle plays. If the scheme is bad with AJ and all the attention he commands, it's not going to be better with him out. The OL play has dropped with Opeta as well so that also neuters the running game.

I just don't buy it.  I've watched the NFL for too long to think a WR is that big of a difference maker.  He definitely is a difference maker, I just think you guys are over-valuing him in that regard.  I'd say 1 or 2 more losses tops without him.  

You're basically saying the Eagles aren't even really a viable playoff team without AJ.  This roster is way too solid to say that.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You’re under the assumption the offense is gonna be just as good without him. It’s a completely different offense without one of the top 3 WRs in the league. Remove him you think the Eagles are gonna be scoring at the pace that they are? No. He’s been their passing offense in some of these games

i think you are undervaluing how great of a season he’s having and how many times the offense looked like it was struggling and they were like F it throw it to aj.  

I am not under that impression - and I never said as much.  That would be as insane as saying AJ is worth 4 wins in an 8 game stretch