21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i’d argue per game, AJ Brown is probably worth at least a touchdown to the Eagles when you consider how many touchdowns scored, how many drives he keeps a LiveOne critical first down pick ups I just how much attention she gets that opens things up for other guys on the field. A touchdown is a massive difference in the NFL.

I can almost guarantee you that Vegas wouldn't value him that high- this is my point

18 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I am not under that impression - and I never said as much.  That would be as insane as saying AJ is worth 4 wins in an 8 game stretch

I think he and lane Johnson (if we remove quarterback from the equation) would be the two most devastating injuries to this team. That’s how critical he is to the offense. How many points per game do you think AJ Brown is worth? This is not just scoring touchdowns and catching ball. This is in continuing drives. Because he has one of the highest rates in the NFL catches that go for first downs. He opens things up for everybody on that offense including hurts.

he is about to put up one of the best seasons in NFL history. remove that from the offense completely. That’s a massive loss.

5 hours ago, McMVP said:

I can almost guarantee you that Vegas wouldn't value him that high- this is my point

Don’t care what Vegas does on their lines. I watched the games. There’s been plenty of times this season the offense has just been struggling with him and it’s just F it throw to AJ because nothing else is working and he jump starts the team. Frankly him and lane (removing Qb) are imo the two most irreplaceable players. I’ve seen what the offense looks like without Lane. I imagine it might have similar type of struggles removing a top 3 player at WR. Their WRs without him are smith and a bunch of guys and an over the hill julio. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think he and lane Johnson (if we remove quarterback from the equation) would be the two most devastating injuries to this team. That’s how critical he is to the offense. How many points per game do you think AJ Brown is worth? This is not just scoring touchdowns and catching ball. This is in continuing drives. Because he has one of the highest rates in the NFL catches that go for first downs. He opens things up for everybody on that offense including hurts.

he is about to put up one of the best seasons in NFL history. remove that from the offense completely. 

Well, if you’re adding Lane Johnson to it, that changes everything

As for the bolded point, that’s just it. You would not be removing it completely. It’s not like the Eagles would only be allowed to be playing with 10 players if AJ was not there.  There would be another, lesser, receiver in his place… And the game would be called completely completely differently from an offensive perspective. This would change everything… It’s why you can’t put too much on one player.
 

I mean, it’s obvious that we would rather have him than not.  I think he’s easily been the most important skill position this year.  I just disagree when someone says he’s been worth four wins in eight games. That’s hyperbole in my opinion.

Subtract Brown add Reagor and we’re 8-0 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t care what Vegas does. I watch the games. There’s been plenty of times this season the offense has just been struggling with him and it’s just F it throw to AJ because nothing else is working and he jump starts the team. Frankly him and lane (removing Qb) are imo the two most irreplaceable players. I’ve seen what the offense looks like without Lane. I imagine it might have similar type of struggles removing a top 3 player at WR. Their WRs without him are smith and a bunch of guys and an over the hill julio. 

If we had Steichen still I could see us being at least 6-2 pretty easily without AJ considering the other talent on offense. It's a pretty big indictment on my opinion of BJ as a playcaller right now. He doesn't warrant the confidence in overcoming the gap right now.

19 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I can almost guarantee you that Vegas wouldn't value him that high- this is my point

AJ Brown is probably worth 2 points to Vegas right now...and that's a TON.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

AJ Brown is probably worth 2 points to Vegas right now...and that's a TON.

Right… it’s why I guessed the line would move to Eagles -1 without him…but they probably would still be favored to beat the Cowboys at home 

5 hours ago, McMVP said:

Well, if you’re adding Lane Johnson to it, that changes everything

As for the bolded point, that’s just it. You would not be removing it completely. It’s not like the Eagles would only be allowed to be playing with 10 players if AJ was not there.  There would be another, lesser, receiver in his place… And the game would be called completely completely differently from an offensive perspective. This would change everything… It’s why you can’t put too much on one player.
 

I mean, it’s obvious that we would rather have him than not.  I think he’s easily been the most important skill position this year.  I just disagree when someone says he’s been worth four wins in eight games. That’s hyperbole in my opinion.

I meant if you lost lane or brown i think it completely changed what your offense is capable of doing. We’ve just seen with lane they are not very good and their record without lane says he’s likely worth 3 more losses (last two years they are 1-3 when he leaves a game or is out) so why wouldn’t a top 3 WR on an all time pace not be somewhat that? I get lane is more valuable than AJ brown but i don’t think the game is nearly as wide for everything Aj provide this team and offense this year. And i think all of us would agree it’s not insane without lane to think this team could have 3 additional losses 

I really don’t think it’s hyperbole at all. His year is off the charts. Like we are truly seeing like a once in a lifetime type of season by an eagles WR.

I get the past titans teams aren’t the eagles. but 2021 the titans had the no. 1 seed in the afc. They were 11-2 with Aj brown in the regular season averaging 26.9 ppg with him playing. With him out they were 1-3 and averaged 17.5 ppg. 

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

AJ Brown is probably worth 2 points to Vegas right now...and that's a TON.

Vegas does it for betting lines. I’m looking at the Eagles this year with aj brown are averaging 28 ppg. Just my own opinion I have hard time believing the eagles are averaging 26ppg without aj. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Vegas does it for betting lines. I’m looking at the Eagles this year with aj brown are averaging 28 ppg. Just my own opinion I have hard time believing the eagles are averaging 26ppg without aj. 

You’re basically saying the Eagles with Hurts, Smith, Swift, Goedert, and this oline would become the Texans without AJ…(while the Minshew led Colts are averaging 26 per game)

Eagles averaged 26.1 in 2021 before AJ ever got here

22 minutes ago, McMVP said:

You’re basically saying the Eagles, with Hurts, Smith, Swift, Goedert, and this oline would become the Texans without AJ…(while the Minshew led Colts are averaging 26 per game)

The colts aren’t averaging that cause they had Richardson for parts of those games early. If you think the colts offense is capable of 38 ppg and that’s not an outlier that’s on you. And Steichen is a better  OC then Brian Johnson  

i could see them being like Minnesota or KC which is 11-15 in ppg range. 21.9-23.4 ppg

much easier to defend smith without aj brown when your other 3 WRs are quez, over the hill julio and OZ. That is an awful wr group besides smith. Goedert hasn’t exactly been lighting the world on fire with brown out there commanding the attention. Had issues incorporating him into the offense. Hurts is dealing with a knee injury. Our red zone troubles to start the year. And we are turning the ball over at a high clip. As good as swift is, the eagles continue to use gainwell when they shouldn’t. Also swift hasn’t been nearly as a good the past couple weeks. The past 5 weeks swift is averaging 3.6 yards per carry on about 14 touches per game. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The colts aren’t averaging that cause they had Richardson for parts of those games early. If you think the colts offense is capable of 38 ppg and that’s not an outlier that’s on you. 

i could easily see them being like Minnesota or KC which is 11-15 range. 21.9-23.4 

Eagles averaged 26.1 per game in 2021 when AJ was a Titan 
 

 

7 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Eagles averaged 26.1 per game in 2021 when AJ was a Titan 
 

 

They also had the easiest schedule in the league. I brought it up that year against playoff teams their ppg dropped to like 17 ppg. Eagles schedule is harder this year 

In 2021 titans played 13 games with aj brown. They averaged 26.9 ppg. 4 games without him they were 17.5 ppg. This was a team that got the no. 1 seed. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They also had the easiest schedule in the league. I brought it up that year against playoff teams their ppg dropped to like 17 ppg. Eagles schedule is harder this year 

In 2021 titans played 13 games with aj brown. They averaged 26.9 ppg. 4 games without him they were 17.5 ppg. This was a team that got the no. 1 seed. 

lol…we can just agree to disagree…it’s all good

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They also had the easiest schedule in the league. I brought it up that year against playoff teams their ppg dropped to like 17 ppg. Eagles schedule is harder this year 

In 2021 titans played 13 games with aj brown. They averaged 26.9 ppg. 4 games without him they were 17.5 ppg. This was a team that got the no. 1 seed. 

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! stop for a moment and listen to yourself.  You are arguing just for the sake of arguing.  You sound like @RememberTheKoy

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! stop for a moment and listen to yourself.  You are arguing just for the sake of arguing.  You sound like @RememberTheKoy

Not really you lose a player who’s a top 3 player at his position and having an all time historic season and believe they aren’t capable of losing 3 additional games if he doesn’t exist on this team? They were in dogfights with the commanders twice and New England where they had aj brown who was a major factor in all 3 of those games. It’s not that hard to believe they’d could all lose 3 games without aj brown. Which was the argument from the beginning when i said i think they’d be closer to 4-4 (by that feel 4-4 or 5-3 Is likely more realistic then people want to believe). Heck the rams game was also close until the very end with aj brown and his performance at the end of the first half turned the tide of the game. They went 4-0. Without aj brown i dont think it’s unimaginable to see them go 2-2 or 1-3 in those games. 

Ask the titans offense how it’s going trying to replace aj brown and how tannehill looked since he left town. Hurts is much better than tannehill but losing aj brown is significantly going to change the entire eagles offense. Just like losing a player of lane’s caliber has shown. 

Why have I been summoned?

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not really you lose a player who’s a top 3 player at his position and having an all time historic season and believe they aren’t capable of losing 3 additional games if he doesn’t exist on this team? They were in dogfights with the commanders twice and New England where they had aj brown who was a major factor in all 3 of those games. It’s not that hard to believe they’d could all lose 3 games without aj brown. Which was the argument from the beginning when i said i think they’d be closer to 4-4 (by that feel 4-4 or 5-3 Is likely more realistic then people want to believe). Heck the rams game was also close until the very end with aj brown and his performance at the end of the first half turned the tide of the game. They went 4-0. Without aj brown i dont think it’s unimaginable to see them go 2-2 or 1-3 in those games. 

Ask the titans offense how it’s going trying to replace aj brown and how tannehill looked since he left town. Hurts is much better than tannehill but losing aj brown is significantly going to change the entire eagles offense. 

All of that is rationalization on your part.  What you are saying is that you are smarter than the odds makers in Las Vegas.  That is the kind of statement @RememberTheKoy makes when he is trolling.  
 

You are plenty smart, but not that smart.

20 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Why have I been summoned?

Because you have been behaving so well of late.  Think of it as a test of the emergency broadcast system.  It is only a test.

Did AJ Brown go on IR?  I must have missed something.

56 minutes ago, mattwill said:

All of that is rationalization on your part.  What you are saying is that you are smarter than the odds makers in Las Vegas.  That is the kind of statement @RememberTheKoy makes when he is trolling.  
 

You are plenty smart, but not that smart.

Where did i say i was smarter than vegas? What Vegas does with their lines is completely different and a bunch of other gambling factors then a convo about aj not being here changing the offense entirely this year and having more potential losses. Or evidence of teams that played with and without aj brown showed significant differences. I said is i watched this team struggle with the commanders twice, rams and NE with aj brown as a huge factor that they could be closer to 4-4 record if he wasn’t here (meaning somewhere around that mark). And aj brown on a historic run and pace. 

So Vegas couldn’t possibly think the eagles could be 2-3 losses worse without him? vegas couldnt possibly conclude that the eagles would be a significantly different offense with evidence from his previous team and how the offense had to function prior to acquiring him? 

Also it’s a guess on everyone’s part on here what Vegas exactly would say if aj brown never existed on the eagles. (Hurts with aj brown (including playoffs) is averaging about 3.3 points per game more than without him). That’s not definitive yet seems like we are putting words into Vegas’ mouth and holding it as definitive 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Did AJ Brown go on IR?  I must have missed something.

 

3 hours ago, bitbased said:

Am I wrong in thinking that we'd be a 3 win team right now without AJ? Running game was good the first few games but the offense has been fairly impotent outside of Hurts throwing up the ball and praying that he comes down with the ball lately. I don't trust BJ's playcalling ability enough to bridge that talent gap right now.

 

2 hours ago, bitbased said:

It came about because I was arguing with people why AJ could arguably be MVP right now since for whatever reason only Tyreek has been getting mentioned at WR. I'd say that he's more critical to our success right now than Tyreek is to the Dolphins.

It came from this since I was inquiring what the general consensus was on how critical he was to the team's success right now. Seems like I've been getting a lot of differing opinions so thought it'd be interesting to ask.

I was looking at the Eagles pass defense and how poorly it was ranked numbers-wise. I forget the details I'd have to dig them up. Curious if anyone has crunched the numbers and see where the pass defense ranks if you exclude the Washington games. To get a better idea if it is just bad in general or a byproduct of those two games really skewing the numbers.