4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

NovaCare doc on WIP this morning basically said that surgery puts him in an 8-12+ week recovery.  Surgery was basically the worst case scenario, and it's going to be questionable if he can return before the Super Bowl.  Seems he won't be back before then... its Rhys Hoskins all over again.

That is a lot longer than most have been tossing around

11 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

This attitude from the leader and the vets on the team are the reason this team is 8-1. 

We need the young guys/oordinators to step up and to take care of the ball.   But, got to say at the end of the day I am so proud of their fight and will to win (even when they shouldn't).  

39 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He's also not depending on Hurts as a glorified RB, he's turning Hurts into an elite pocket QB who can use his legs to buy time and make plays when necessary, but he's not taking the beating this year he took the last couple years. That's not an easy transition, and I think it's still a work in progress, for example, they probably haven't even started on developing a good screen game or wrinkles to play action to work off Hurts in the pocket. And Hurts is still working on pocket presence and making multiple reads - his athleticism may have limited his development since college HCs tend to exploit that, and so did the RO his first couple seasons at the expense of improving his pocket skills.

Early in the season when Hurts wasn't banged up, once they got into the RZ, that's exactly what they were doing with Hurts and the RZ efficiency suffered for it.  Now that he's banged up, they aren't and their RZ efficiency has improved.  Interesting how that has worked out... especially considering that last year, Hurts was actually a much better passer from inside the pocket than out of it.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Only 5 seconds left, IIRC.    I think they fell apart after the sack.  That should have been a spike to kill the clock and let them compose themselves for the final 2 plays.  

Yeah didn’t understand not spiking it. Get it would’ve been 3rd and 21 but would’ve saved some more time so you would’ve had two better shots at the end zone as like you said more gathered and composed. Felt like the 2nd down play was rushed. My only thought is they rushed it thinking the Eagles defense was thinking they were going to Spike it and maybe they catch them. 
 

38 minutes ago, judunno said:

I'm trying to figure out what everyone is looking for these days in a LB since the Eagles are 'so bad at LB'. Eagles are tops in the league in run defense... what else are you looking for in LB play?

Covering the middle of the field against the pass.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

NovaCare doc on WIP this morning basically said that surgery puts him in an 8-12+ week recovery.  Surgery was basically the worst case scenario, and it's going to be questionable if he can return before the Super Bowl.  Seems he won't be back before then... its Rhys Hoskins all over again.

That sucks.  I read similar.  Best case scenario is that no surgery is required, which is a 4-8 week recovery and that surgery would extend this to much longer.  I'm so pissed.  Is surgery happening for sure?

I also wish the trade deadline was slightly later.  I'm sure we could pry Zach Ertz back from the Cardinals.

SI article says he is expected to return this year. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/philadelphia-eagles-dallas-goedert-injury-surgery-fractured-forearm-dallas-cowboys

 

CBS says 4

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/eagles-dallas-goedert-facing-expected-four-week-absence/

 

The doc calling from the car doesn't have all the details 

Maybe he knew I'd be positive about his return and thought doomed.

@Outlaw

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Someone else said the same thing. It's there for me now, but wasn't available last night. Strange. 

Gamebook usually is not available on game day.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Early in the season when Hurts wasn't banged up, once they got into the RZ, that's exactly what they were doing with Hurts and the RZ efficiency suffered for it.  Now that he's banged up, they aren't and their RZ efficiency has improved.  Interesting how that has worked out... especially considering that last year, Hurts was actually a much better passer from inside the pocket than out of it.

I would argue they are not depending on hurts running as much cause of the knee issue. If jalen didn’t have a bone bruise on his knee, i think the play calling wouldn’t just have him sitting in the pocket as much. This feels like more they can’t run their entire playbook because of his knee issue.

I can’t believe Matt Leo wears a thong on game days 

 

    

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would argue they are not depending on hurts running as much cause of the knee issue. If jalen didn’t have a bone bruise on his knee, i think the play calling wouldn’t just have him sitting in the pocket as much. This feels like more they can’t run their entire playbook because of his knee issue.

I think Desai has done a good job with the injuries and poor play in the secondary. I'm interested to see how it improves as people play together longer.

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have a hard time saying we’re well coached. We make too many silly mistakes, but we’ve been able to overcome it. Maybe you can argue that is the sign of a well-coached team, but then this would turn into a circular argument. 

They supposedly focus on situational football... but have been playing brain dead in situations at the end of the game.  Scoring a fast TD against Washington (in game 1) when a FG was all that was necessary, giving them the ball and the chance to beat you with a TD and 2 point... or even in OT was a STUPID play and was 100% on the coaching staff.  Know the situation and play it accordingly.  They were already in field goal range... don't give them the ball back with time to hurt you.  It could have (and could be argued should have) cost them the game.   Washington game number 2... Swift goes into the end zone, where sliding at the 1 let's you run out the clock and Washington doesn't get the ball back and you don't have to expose a beat up secondary to more plays.    Roughing the passer against Dallas on the final drive (just a careless play by Reddick there... no excuse to make contact at all at that moment, in that situation).    Just a ton of boneheaded moments in critical situations.   And if the coaches are focusing on situational football like they claim... then what is happening on the field?   Not to mention the turnovers going so far against the team.  Well coached teams don't turn the ball over this much.     And yet, somehow this team is overcoming all this to win.  Is it the coaching, or the talent?  

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

The doc calling from the car doesn't have all the details 

Doc is giving worst case scenarios.  It all depends on how bad of a break it is.  If we got lucky, it's a 4 week recovery that won't require surgery.  If it's bad then it could be a season ender.  

 

47 minutes ago, judunno said:

I'm trying to figure out what everyone is looking for these days in a LB since the Eagles are 'so bad at LB'. Eagles are tops in the league in run defense... what else are you looking for in LB play?

Which would be great in 2003, but in 2023 not as much. It's a passing league now and while being stout against the run is obviously important, the lesser of two evils is being weak against the run as opposed to being weak against the pass.

3 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Doc is giving worst case scenarios.  It all depends on how bad of a break it is.  If we got lucky, it's a 4 week recovery that won't require surgery.  If it's bad then it could be a season ender.  

 

Wouldn't more sources reporting that, though? Outside of car doc I haven't heard potential season ending once even with the surgery today 

31 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Face it, Siri has spoiled us.

We should probably be 6-3, 5-3 the second half would have us at 11-6, which is a pretty darn good season for most franchises.

Instead we're 8-1, and we're all griping b/c we lack style points.

Eagles under Siri play better as the season progresses, the bye week is at a perfect time, I expect a better Eagles team down the stretch (barring more injuries, of course).

A lot of kids have gotten experience, and a couple more will at TE for a few games. Steen got some RG work, for example, the DBs and so on.

The player to watch is Smith, a lot of rookies need that half a season to adjust to NFL speed and physicality.

We are griping because we have to watch the game with an AED in our hands, just in case, in situations where the team should be able to win comfortably.   Up 11 in the 4th quarter should not become the white knuckle roller coaster it was yesterday.  Same with BOTH the Washington games.  Boneheaded plays at the end (aka, scoring a TD when it wasn't necessary) lead to OT in one game, and the need to recover an onsides kick in the other.   BOTH games should have ended with the Eagles in control of the ball... in one, with the Eagles kicking a FG to win, and the other with kneel downs inside the 5.  And that's just 3 games, the 4th was the game they blew to the Jets.  4 out of the last 6 games have been far too precarious than they should have been.   The good news is that despite that they are 5-1 in those 6.  But, they are absolutely playing with fire here.   And they aren't looking just for a playoff appearance, this is a Super Bowl or bust season.   Yes, getting back after losing a SB has been extremely hard over the years, but that's 100% the goal here, not just to have a nice record at the end of it all.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I think Desai has done a good job with the injuries and poor play in the secondary. I'm interested to see how it improves as people play together longer.

I am not so sure it’s going to get greatly better. I do think Kevin Byard is going to improve just being with the team more. And maybe them playing together more Will improve slightly. The issue is right now they don’t have a slot corner. Even if Roby comes back who says he stays healthy. He played like a quarter of football and then missed four weeks. This is kind of been what Bradberry‘s career has been. One good year then the next year kind of regressed. And then the following year hes good again. So in 2024 he might be back to where he was in 2022. The other issue is they can’t cover at linebacker. At some point in time if you can’t cover in the slot and you can’t cover the tight end teams are just gonna keep exploiting that. I suspect andy is gonna utilize kelce and skyy moore in the slot 

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Cause that isn’t a potential issue with the secondary going forward? Just saying the commanders did the same thing Dallas did against Bradberry in week 8 when they went 72 yards and got a touchdown in 43 seconds. They just completed the pass instead of getting a PI. 

I have to go back and see what exactly the Defense that was called but given the situation of 46 seconds and no timeouts left, I have to imagine it was don’t allow anybody to get behind you and beat you deep. lost that battle. Secondly, as a veteran, you have to know a penalty is being called if you never turn your head around to try and make a play. They’re gonna do a penalty flag every time doing what he did. That was a legitimate penalty. If he doesn’t make the penalty it’s very likely a big catch down the sideline 

You think I am excusing the defense by saying that?  Absolutely not... but that's why it was so easy.  Penalties means the clock stops.  Don't give away free yards and make them earn it is better... but Washington did it with Howell.   This team's defense is the Phillies' bullpen.   White knuckle all the time.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We are griping because we have to watch the game with an AED in our hands, just in case, in situations where the team should be able to win comfortably.   Up 11 in the 4th quarter should not become the white knuckle roller coaster it was yesterday.  Same with BOTH the Washington games.  Boneheaded plays at the end (aka, scoring a TD when it wasn't necessary) lead to OT in one game, and the need to recover an onsides kick in the other.   BOTH games should have ended with the Eagles in control of the ball... in one, with the Eagles kicking a FG to win, and the other with kneel downs inside the 5.  And that's just 3 games, the 4th was the game they blew to the Jets.  4 out of the last 6 games have been far too precarious than they should have been.   The good news is that despite that they are 5-1 in those 6.  But, they are absolutely playing with fire here.   And they aren't looking just for a playoff appearance, this is a Super Bowl or bust season.   Yes, getting back after losing a SB has been extremely hard over the years, but that's 100% the goal here, not just to have a nice record at the end of it all.

I’d have to go look but I’m positive the eagles have had a two score lead in every game but one this year. In 7 of the 9 games it’s come down to the eagles not just slamming the door shut when given multiple opportunities. We’ve talked about this all year. There’s a reason why the Eagles are a +57 in the first 3 quarters and -10 in the fourth quarter this year.

35 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

One is open. Long list would join me. Homers are happy after a win I get it.

Happy? I’m irritated as hell. But I’m not stupid enough to think Johnson should be fired. 

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah didn’t understand not spiking it. Get it would’ve been 3rd and 21 but would’ve saved some more time so you would’ve had two better shots at the end zone as like you said more gathered and composed. Felt like the 2nd down play was rushed. My only thought is they rushed it thinking the Eagles defense was thinking they were going to Spike it and maybe they catch them. 
 

More importantly, it resets the offense and you get to run two GOOD plays, rather than one crazy jail break play and one final desperation play.   

 

I think it was almost more along the lines that the Eagles were beat most yesterday on broken plays.   That play was broken from the moment they were scrambling just to get lined up legally... and frankly, I'm not sure they did, or were set for a full second before the snap.   But, no way to review that.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You think I am excusing the defense by saying that?  Absolutely not... but that's why it was so easy.  Penalties means the clock stops.  Don't give away free yards and make them earn it is better... but Washington did it with Howell.   This team's defense is the Phillies' bullpen.   White knuckle all the time.

I have to go back and watch that play, but I don’t know where the safety was. If Bradberry doesn’t commit a penalty and he allows him to catch it, there’s a chance he’s running down the sideline if the safety isn’t there. That play felt  very similar to when the Eagles had them in 3rd and forever last year in Dallas and then just gave up a massively long pass and that felt like it was the backbreaker in that game.

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Their best DL are gone now. 

Montez Sweat, yes.  I'd say both Payne and Allen are better players than Chase Young, though.