2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

 I generally like the running QBs.  

 

Although I know  he works hard. I do question some of this Punter God Experts we have on the board here. True. A lot of it is subjective. The stat nerds need to watch the game more is the bottom line. And if you consider situational punting, such as playoffs punts and key times in a game, I really don't remember too many clutch kicks in this guy's entire career. The rest of his stats are below ordinary that it is absolute no brainer to move on here. As well as the psychological hurdle he now has in screwing up last Superbowl. To add to that, every beat reporter is now saying he has to go, since his awful preseason. They were very lenient for awhile and they watch him punt a bunch more than these experts on this board.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maybe most people are just sick of a boring punter discussion.

I think its awesome how the team has no punt returner, or punter on the roster. Working within the rules to be able to activate one on game day, while not taking up a roster spot. Its nice to be able to keep actual position players instead of mediocre at best specialists.

Hopefully both positions will be upgraded by the time they cant elevate those guys anymore. We will just have to wait and see.

Yeah I guess. Not exactly a ton to discuss right now. I agree smart moves to not roster the players given that neither player is worthy of another team claiming/signing them.

2 hours ago, jojodancer said:

We may have like 5 people in here who will defend Arryn Suposs til his grave. Thinking they are probably the same group who were hammering Jalen Hurts and on Carson Strong's jock. The guy flat out sucks. His stats are bottom 5 punter stats overall. Loser mentality, to say he isn't as bad as Zentner or Kern, so he's good enough. And that he holds and fondles balls like a champ. Howie has had an A offseason. When Siposs officialy gets replaced to whomever (hoping Gilliken), it will automatically be an A+++ and a hall of fame type offseason in upgrading this roster.

In my case,  I'm defending Siposs because he's on the Eagles.   If the Eagles are good with him, so am I.

If the Eagles get someone else,  well, I guess that's an upgrade. 

I think leg strength will be more important to teams going forward than ball placement.

More and more teams go for it on 4th down around midfield, which lessens the importance of ball placement. What you want is when you go 3 and out and you're pinned back in your own territory, a punter who can flip the field. Not give the other team the ball starting at mid field.

What % of punts do the best punters in the league even pin teams inside the 20? And even further, what % pin teams inside the 10?

I often see stats about pinning teams inside the 20 and they lack context. For example, many of these punts could be at the 18 or 19 yard line, as opposed to the 21 yard line, but there's only a 3 yard difference, but they're put into a category that makes it stand out.

My guess is even the best punters pin teams inside the 10 on very few occasions. But if you have a strong leg I think you're going to get the benefit of that more times throughout the course of a season.

6 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

In my case,  I'm defending Siposs because he's on the Eagles.   If the Eagles are good with him, so am I.

If the Eagles get someone else,  well, I guess that's an upgrade. 

Gotcha! But I'm not here to be a homer. Howie did just about ace this offseason tho with the main priorities. It's obvious they are not really happy there and biding their time. He's entered a 3 week probation period. Offers team roster flexibility for now. Wonder if he chokes....again.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think leg strength will be more important to teams going forward than ball placement.

More and more teams go for it on 4th down around midfield, which lessens the importance of ball placement. What you want is when you go 3 and out and you're pinned back in your own territory, a punter who can flip the field. Not give the other team the ball starting at mid field.

What % of punts do the best punters in the league even pin teams inside the 20? And even further, what % pin teams inside the 10?

I often see stats about pinning teams inside the 20 and they lack context. For example, many of these punts could be at the 18 or 19 yard line, as opposed to the 21 yard line, but there's only a 3 yard difference, but they're put into a category that makes it stand out.

My guess is even the best punters pin teams inside the 10 on very few occasions. But if you have a strong leg I think you're going to get the benefit of that more times throughout the course of a season.

I don't remember many times where Siposs flipped the field. Gilliken has done that. An 81 yarder on his resume. And is a solid coffin corner punter anyway.

I think a lot of fans are still entrenched in the idea of a 53-man roster being all that matters. But even Howie has referenced numerous times that the Eagles view it as a 69-man roster with flexibility. Other teams obviously do as well, which would explain why a year ago the Cowboys didn't even have a kicker or backup quarterback on their 53-man roster at the start of the year or why the Rams currently don't even have a kicker on their roster. Hell, the Patriots didn't even have a backup quarterback rostered until they claimed a guy the other day. Since the rules allow you to elevate guys off the practice squads "for free" it is actually the smart move to put borderline guys on the practice squad. If they get claimed during waivers, it's not like you can't get another one easily enough. And you get a few weeks of carrying an "extra" guy on the 53 without exposing them to waivers themselves.

Gotta imagine Howie is gonna churn the a few spots on the practice squad. Otherwise, I'm shocked he released Kyron Johnson.

Toth and Clark are stiffs. Mccollum is meh. Howie can juggle this PS a bunch going forward.

6 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I think a lot of fans are still entrenched in the idea of a 53-man roster being all that matters. But even Howie has referenced numerous times that the Eagles view it as a 69-man roster with flexibility. Other teams obviously do as well, which would explain why a year ago the Cowboys didn't even have a kicker or backup quarterback on their 53-man roster at the start of the year or why the Rams currently don't even have a kicker on their roster. Hell, the Patriots didn't even have a backup quarterback rostered until they claimed a guy the other day. Since the rules allow you to elevate guys off the practice squads "for free" it is actually the smart move to put borderline guys on the practice squad. If they get claimed during waivers, it's not like you can't get another one easily enough. And you get a few weeks of carrying an "extra" guy on the 53 without exposing them to waivers themselves.

This is true. And I love their strategy. At the same time, if Siposs is respectable in the league, some team will claim him. Good punters are weapons and would be worthy of roster spots.

Somehow, hes out of favor, not just with fans. But the whole NFL doesnt care about him technically being available. 

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I think a lot of fans are still entrenched in the idea of a 53-man roster being all that matters. But even Howie has referenced numerous times that the Eagles view it as a 69-man roster with flexibility. Other teams obviously do as well, which would explain why a year ago the Cowboys didn't even have a kicker or backup quarterback on their 53-man roster at the start of the year or why the Rams currently don't even have a kicker on their roster. Hell, the Patriots didn't even have a backup quarterback rostered until they claimed a guy the other day. Since the rules allow you to elevate guys off the practice squads "for free" it is actually the smart move to put borderline guys on the practice squad. If they get claimed during waivers, it's not like you can't get another one easily enough. And you get a few weeks of carrying an "extra" guy on the 53 without exposing them to waivers themselves.

Definitely the way it looks right now, but I am curious to see if it ends up biting a team in the ass at some point with their backup QBs getting swiped.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

I interesting stat in the section on the Eagles:

"Bold prediction for 2023: The Eagles will rank in the top 10 in designed pass rate. They ranked 22nd in the category last season but move up to 12th if we look only at plays run when a game's win probability is between 15% and 85%. In other words, the Eagles want to pass; they just were winning by too much too often last year. This is relevant for Hurts and the Eagles' pass-catchers in fantasy. -- Walder"

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38299957/nfl-team-previews-2023-predictions-fantasy-sleepers-depth-charts#phi

We held a lot of decent leads at halftime.  I think Hurts threw for almost 2,500 yards in just the first half of games last year - so I see the point here.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This is true. And I love their strategy. At the same time, if Siposs is respectable in the league, some team will claim him. Good punters are weapons and would be worthy of roster spots.

Somehow, hes out of favor, not just with fans. But the whole NFL doesnt care about him technically being available. 

I'm surprised teams don't do it for these special teams coverage guys.  Seems like a perfect spot to risk a guy to waivers and just call him up 3 times rather than taking a spot on 53 if he can't do anything outside of ST coverage

57 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think it is interesting that despite what @FranklinFldEBUpper has uncovered in his research, the eagles seem very interested in challenging Siposs for his job. They brought in Zentner, and worked out others.

Siposs didnt even make the 53. Theyll be elevating him off the practice squad, presumably as long as they can before they have to sign him (or someone else) for the rest of the season.

 

Anyone who is pissed at other posters for not backing down to Franklin's analysis is ignoring the blatantly obvious position the team has taken on their own punter situation. 

I think you are completely misunderstanding what @FranklinFldEBUpper did with his analysis.  He showed some level of overreaction to Sisposs but has not said he isn’t a mediocre punter that could be replaced.  Long before he was cut and signed to the PS, Franklin predicted as much.  He is an astute observer, IMHO.  Frankly, contract considerations taken, there is no player on the Eagles the team wouldn’t look to better.  Wentz is proof of that.  Now I take the recent tryouts as precautionary as much as anything.  Should a team poach Sisposs, they have three alternatives they considered, although none replaced him.  Franklin is right in asking who the Eagles should replace him with and in displaying the mediocrity of some of the suggestions.  Frankly, I am resigned to the high likelihood that in three weeks Sisposs is added to the active roster.   Right or wrong, there isn’t a lot of difference between active NFL punters.  Most are mediocre.

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think you are completely misunderstanding what @FranklinFldEBUpper did with his analysis.  He showed some level of overreaction to Sisposs but has not said he isn’t a mediocre punter that could be replaced.  Long before he was cut and signed to the PS, Franklin predicted as much.  He is an astute observer, IMHO.  Frankly, contract considerations taken, there is no player on the Eagles the team wouldn’t look to better.  Wentz is proof of that.  Now I take the recent tryouts as precautionary as much as anything.  Should a team poach Sisposs, they have three alternatives they considered, although none replaced him.  Franklin is right in asking who the Eagles should replace him with and in displaying the mediocrity of some of the suggestions.  Frankly, I am resigned to the high likelihood that in three weeks Sisposs is added to the active roster.   Right or wrong, there isn’t a lot of difference between active NFL punters.  Most are mediocre.

Check stats of Townsend and Siposs and you will see a large gap, especially in net yards. 5 yards difference. When you play great teams, this flaw starts to matter. The thing is he is not even mediocre. I would take that!!  Especially with clutch kicks and flipping the field. It will matter in crunch time. They knew how to hide him pretty good. There's no denying that the punter position bit them last year. I think for now, roster flexibility and Elliott saves his a**. 

Some clarification on the Forty Whiner rule

 

58 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think leg strength will be more important to teams going forward than ball placement.

More and more teams go for it on 4th down around midfield, which lessens the importance of ball placement. What you want is when you go 3 and out and you're pinned back in your own territory, a punter who can flip the field. Not give the other team the ball starting at mid field.

What % of punts do the best punters in the league even pin teams inside the 20? And even further, what % pin teams inside the 10?

I often see stats about pinning teams inside the 20 and they lack context. For example, many of these punts could be at the 18 or 19 yard line, as opposed to the 21 yard line, but there's only a 3 yard difference, but they're put into a category that makes it stand out.

My guess is even the best punters pin teams inside the 10 on very few occasions. But if you have a strong leg I think you're going to get the benefit of that more times throughout the course of a season.

The problem with leg strength is that if that strength produces longer punts, then it also has to produce longer hang times.  If it doesnt then the added length causes the coverage team significant problems because the returner has a clear field for the additional punt length.  With that nadditional field thay can produce better punt returns.

I'm all for greater length, as long as it doesn't out punt the coverage.

First quarter is going to be really interesting for the Eagles.  First preseason they didn't play the starters on both offense and defense in any of the games.  Both units under new coordinators too.  BB has been scheming all offseason to on how to try and make things difficult for Hurts.  I think there is high potential we turn the ball over early and our defense gives up an early touchdown.  Could find ourselves down two scores heading into and during the 2nd quarter.  If the Eagles are who we think they are then they should be able to bounce back and win the game by double digits by the end of regulation.  

 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maybe most people are just sick of a boring punter discussion.

I think its awesome how the team has no punt returner, or punter on the roster. Working within the rules to be able to activate one on game day, while not taking up a roster spot. Its nice to be able to keep actual position players instead of mediocre at best specialists.

Hopefully both positions will be upgraded by the time they cant elevate those guys anymore. We will just have to wait and see.

Awesome indeed, and smart.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

Right they have a weak spot that they failed to upgrade. It's obvious.  Listen it happens. Not every move works out.  But I have no idea why a few are so defensive about it. It's weird

The problem with that weak spot is that there is a coterie that has said, over and over, anyone but Siposs. Well, they've run - what? - half a dozen or so punters through, all of whom are not Siposs, so they are clearly looking to upgrade the position. @FranklinFldEBUpper has never said he would not like an upgrade from Siposs, quite the contrary, but he has posted rationally, with data to support it, that Siposs is not a disaster. He's mediocre but he's not shanking punts left and right as some allege. Franklin has also given good reasons why the Punt God is still unemployed, most particularly at least to me, regarding the snap to toe time, which translates to blocked punts.

I'm personally in favor of upgrading everywhere, but only with a better player, not another journeyman, and not just anyone.

49 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This is true. And I love their strategy. At the same time, if Siposs is respectable in the league, some team will claim him. Good punters are weapons and would be worthy of roster spots.

Somehow, hes out of favor, not just with fans. But the whole NFL doesnt care about him technically being available. 

His problem is that is is simply average in his kicking duties.  There are a lot of teams with average punters.  They would all like to upgrade, but the upgrade needs to be a significant improvement.  if it is simply swapping out average for average, then it is change for change sake, and that simply doesnt make sense ... especially since the change also affects the team's placekicker.

So with that said ... a punter who produces 20% longer punts with 10% longer hangtime would interest me.  Having that would interest me.

So looking at @FranklinFldEBUpper's hang time stats, which were "4.34 hangtime with 46% at 4.5 seconds and 41% hit outside the numbers"  That means I'm looking for a punter with a hang time of 5.2 seconds (4.34 plus .434 plus .434 ) and a gross distance of 50.16 yards (45.6 plus 4.56).  How many NFL punters hit those numbers?

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

Although I know  he works hard. I do question some of this Punter God Experts we have on the board here. True. A lot of it is subjective. The stat nerds need to watch the game more is the bottom line. And if you consider situational punting, such as playoffs punts and key times in a game, I really don't remember too many clutch kicks in this guy's entire career. The rest of his stats are below ordinary that it is absolute no brainer to move on here. As well as the psychological hurdle he now has in screwing up last Superbowl. To add to that, every beat reporter is now saying he has to go, since his awful preseason. They were very lenient for awhile and they watch him punt a bunch more than these experts on this board.

"Stat nerds”.  If that is directed at @FranklinFldEBUpper, that’s absurd.  He literally times the kicks himself.  That’s watching and he is observing the opponents punter too.  His recall of plays in Eagles games is phenomenal.   Try timing speed of snap to kick or hang time.  Ain’t easy.  

What available punter, obviously relying on your watching all of that punter’s kicks are you proposing as a replacement. Even Kempski has struggled there, basically pointing out that the available punters are worse or no better than Sisposs, who at least is a trusted holder for Elliott.  Heck, they had the punter I wanted to pick up as an UDFA when they lost Johnston in for two tryouts last year and ended up signing Kern.  So conditioned on you having watched the player’s punting, not just highlights, who are you proposing? 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lane is an underrated off the field Eagle 

I mean he basically dissappeared a few years ago so glad he is able to openly talk about this all now. Could have turned out bad

some WOs and RBs I like 

Devin Neal RB

J Cephus WO

W Sheppard WO

R Sanders RB

O Gadsden WO

X Legette WO

J Wilson WO

B Allen RB