2 hours ago, rrfierce said:

Guess we need to find someone else to bash now? 

I thought Gainwell was that guy?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first play, doesn't Hurts do the opposite of buying time by making it more difficult on himself? There's a clean pocket for him to step up in to but he does a hop skip back to the guy rushing on Mailata, which forces him to jump back in to the pocket. The throw is great but it didn't have to be that difficult. TD throw was perfect example of trusting the pocket to make the throw. 

 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I thought Gainwell was that guy?

Gainwell is fine.  Generally, he'll get what's blocked.  Every now and then he will get. a little extra.    Trouble is, comparing him with Swift, there's no comparison.  Swift has the ability to make some special runs and get more than what is blocked.  Then there is the obsession some seem to have with Penny.  It seems that a lot of folks are remembering what he was, and not looking at what he is.  He's slow to the hole, he missed a blitz pickup egregiously and it would seem the coaches don't have a lot of trust in him.  He was a former 1st round pick.  The emphasis in that sentence should be on the verb, not the adjective.   WAS is more important than 1st in this situation.  And what he is now is not what he was then.  People are focusing on the 6.3 ypc and 6.1 ypc in his last two seasons... but seem to forget that combined in those seasons he played only 15 games.  He missed the last 11 weeks of the season last year with an injury and its a very good chance that that injury was the straw that broke the RB's back.  RBs have very short lived careers and injuries just accelerate that process.   He's an 'old' RB, despite the calendar saying he's still 'young'.  2020 started on PUP, played 3 games.  2021 he played in only 10 games, and had some time on IR.  2022 he played in 5 games, finished on IR.   The guy has miles on his body from all these injuries.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first play, doesn't Hurts do the opposite of buying time by making it more difficult on himself? There's a clean pocket for him to step up in to but he does a hop skip back to the guy rushing on Mailata, which forces him to jump back in to the pocket. The throw is great but it didn't have to be that difficult. TD throw was perfect example of trusting the pocket to make the throw. 

 

I'm probably in the minority, but on the TD play it looks like he should have quickly hit Swift with room to run.

The end result was awesome, just not sure the process was.

I'd rather see consistency and efficiency in the offense than the occasional YOLO ball hitting its target.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first play, doesn't Hurts do the opposite of buying time by making it more difficult on himself? There's a clean pocket for him to step up in to but he does a hop skip back to the guy rushing on Mailata, which forces him to jump back in to the pocket. The throw is great but it didn't have to be that difficult. TD throw was perfect example of trusting the pocket to make the throw. 

 

Yes.   The pocket is there... If he stepped up, Mailata maintains he angle and he has tons of time, and can even run up the middle for yards if need be.  He made his job WAY harder than it had to be on that play.     The second play, he hangs in the pocket, and delivers a great ball. 

 

I want to believe that the coaches had a long chat with him after the first play and reminded him that the OL are doing their job well.  Trust them.   A similar thing happened with Hurts back in 2021 against Denver, and Sirianni ripped into him after the first drive for bailing too much.  The rest of that half was the best football he'd played in his career up to that point.   I think at times, he needs those reminders.  Hopefully, he remains coachable.    Back in 2017, we had a guy who would make some great plays too and he had really tough coaching, and it paid off.  Then 2018, that QB coach moved on, and that QB's play started to regress.   It takes a truly humble person to listen to hard coaching after 'they arrive'.  Hopefully Hurts remains humble and listens to the coaching, because play #2 in this sequence is WAY better than play #1.  I want to see a lot more of #2, and way less of #1.

4 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I'm probably in the minority, but on the TD play it looks like he should have quickly hit Swift with room to run.

The end result was awesome, just not sure the process was.

I'd rather see consistency and efficiency in the offense than the occasional YOLO ball hitting its target.

Also agreed.  I was speaking only of pocket presence.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Also agreed.  I was speaking only of pocket presence.

Absolutely, the play turned out great so it's not nitpicking, just my overall observation for the first few weeks.

I still think that a majority of what we're seeing is due to the change at OC. Especially with the problems in the RZ.

We know Hurts can play, so I don't worry about him long term. My biggest questions for this years team are mostly with Brian Johnson and whether or not he's going to be good enough.

@Iggles_Phan it's a great point about the 2021 moment in Denver. I remember it vividly.

Another reason why I don't worry about Hurts long term, he's shown us he can actually take the coaching and apply it.

So many QBs in the past not willing / able to do that.

50 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I'm probably in the minority, but on the TD play it looks like he should have quickly hit Swift with room to run.

The end result was awesome, just not sure the process was.

I'd rather see consistency and efficiency in the offense than the occasional YOLO ball hitting its target.

LB is right there the whole time watching Swift leak out and was in position to make a tackle. Throw would've had to be perfect to minimize Swift turning to slow down to catch it. I just checked and that was a 3rd and 10. If he throws that to Swfit and the LB makes the play, we're all killing him for throwing short of the sticks on 3rd and long again.

Not bashing but Hurts for whatever reason looks slower not only in his decision making down the field but his running seems much slower as well.  Not sure if he's protecting injury but something isn't 100%.  Maybe it's rust, maybe it's new coordinators but hopefully he looks much better on Sunday

From the broadcast angle, you can see just how shallow that leak was by Swift, and also you can see the corner sitting on the buzz/flat when the camera widens out after the throw, so the wheel is covered on the back end too. That's just asking a lot of Swift to beat two players that have eyes on him while he has his back to them. It's a really low probability play to pick up the first on that route with the defense sitting back in zone like that. Hurts absolutely made the right call to go elsewhere with the ball.

 

14 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Not bashing but Hurts for whatever reason looks slower not only in his decision making down the field but his running seems much slower as well.  Not sure if he's protecting injury but something isn't 100%.  Maybe it's rust, maybe it's new coordinators but hopefully he looks much better on Sunday

He’s definitely running defensively this year. He’ll slide 2-3 yards before he has to, and he’s staring at the defender running at him as opposed to last year when he tunnel vision where he was running to

17 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Not bashing but Hurts for whatever reason looks slower not only in his decision making down the field but his running seems much slower as well.  Not sure if he's protecting injury but something isn't 100%.  Maybe it's rust, maybe it's new coordinators but hopefully he looks much better on Sunday

New scheme so slower to process, which was never his strength

i also think he is getting too muscle bound

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first play, doesn't Hurts do the opposite of buying time by making it more difficult on himself? There's a clean pocket for him to step up in to but he does a hop skip back to the guy rushing on Mailata, which forces him to jump back in to the pocket. The throw is great but it didn't have to be that difficult. TD throw was perfect example of trusting the pocket to make the throw.

If Hurts were bailing the pocket I would agree with you, but i don't think he was bailing.  I think he stepped back in the pocket rather than stepping up, which woukld have been fine if Mailata were controlling his man as effectively as Lane was controlling his, but the Buc DE broke free from Mailata, which caused Hurts to step up into the pocket and deliver the pass.

JMO

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

According to the ESPN box score, Quay has 17 tackles tonight. 9 solo. I dont think Barnett has that many tackles in his career yet.

You definitely didn't watch the game. Quay was bad.

Tackles are a bad stat for evaluate LB play. See Edwards, TJ. 

I’m not sure I’ve seen a Packers game the past two years where Quay Walker didn’t impress me. He may be a knucklehead but he’s a good player. Knocking him as a player seems weird to me.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

You definitely didn't watch the game. Quay was bad.

Tackles are a bad stat for evaluate LB play. See Edwards, TJ. 

Your statement was that Walker was less effective than Barnett. 

Someone had to bring down the ball carrier.  Whether it's an impressive TFL, or a LB chasing down a ball carrier after to many yards, someone had to do it. 

Walker does at least something.  Barnett does not. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Gainwell is fine.  Generally, he'll get what's blocked.  Every now and then he will get. a little extra.    Trouble is, comparing him with Swift, there's no comparison.  Swift has the ability to make some special runs and get more than what is blocked.  Then there is the obsession some seem to have with Penny.  It seems that a lot of folks are remembering what he was, and not looking at what he is.  He's slow to the hole, he missed a blitz pickup egregiously and it would seem the coaches don't have a lot of trust in him.  He was a former 1st round pick.  The emphasis in that sentence should be on the verb, not the adjective.   WAS is more important than 1st in this situation.  And what he is now is not what he was then.  People are focusing on the 6.3 ypc and 6.1 ypc in his last two seasons... but seem to forget that combined in those seasons he played only 15 games.  He missed the last 11 weeks of the season last year with an injury and its a very good chance that that injury was the straw that broke the RB's back.  RBs have very short lived careers and injuries just accelerate that process.   He's an 'old' RB, despite the calendar saying he's still 'young'.  2020 started on PUP, played 3 games.  2021 he played in only 10 games, and had some time on IR.  2022 he played in 5 games, finished on IR.   The guy has miles on his body from all these injuries.

I agree Gainwell is fine.  In the Patriots game the O-Line was a hot mess and BB had put together an excellent scheme and Johnson was in his first play calling game.  Gainwell was not the problem that day.  Against the Bucs his carries were almost all in the second half when the Bucs D knew that the Eagles would be killing the clock with runs, so they adjusted their defense accordingly.  Again Gainwell was not the problem. 

Regarding Penny, for me it isn't just the 6.3 ypc and 6.1 ypc seasons, but also the 10 yard carry against the Ravens and the 16 yard carry against the Browns in the preseason games.  I'm simply not ready to bury him without giving him a live opportunity.

Ford and mcleod 

 

18 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Somehow over that timeframe, people have let politics define who they are and dictate how they act...on both sides of the aisle. It seems lazy but I really do blame media for the majority of the issues. There is no truly factual honest news source out there. If there was no media bias and we were told the truth down the middle, this country wouldn't be in shambles. 

I do think the media feeds a fear that does not match up to reality. People have replaced their religion with party affiliation or conflated the two. Democrats are not Marxists(mostly) just like Republicans are not fascists(mostly). Of course a discourse where you believe the other side is an enemy rather than a fellow citizen will allow adherents of the part to turn towards authoritarian views as to the other side.    

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Eagles - 34

Redskins - 16

Eagles defense gets 6+ sacks

Quote

Before Monday night, I wrote about the game being a test for the Eagles and Bucs. Was 2-0 Tampa to be taken seriously? Would the Eagles start to look more like the team that dominated the NFC last year? We got our answers.

Tampa is better than expected, but they are not good. They just don’t have the playmakers you need in today’s NFL. Being tough or solid only gets you so far.

We still have yet to get the breakout performance by the Eagles, but we saw flashes of it in Tampa. The Eagles dominated the game. It was more methodical than explosive, but you never had the feeling the Bucs were a real threat to win.

I came away from the game feeling good about the Eagles. Jalen Hurts got better. The coaches had some answers. The defense was really good. This team is trending in the right direction.

The quote above is from @goeagles99's post game assessment article at http://igglesblitz.com/  There is not much I can agree with in that assessment.  The game was a step forward on all fronts ... and a very big step forward for both the run defense and the punt returning units.  If one were to quibbvle about anything, finishing drives in the Red Zone with TDs was the one area where more progress was needed.

@mattwill

Eagles 38

Skins 14

Reddick 1.5 sacks