52 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I thought the decision he made was a numbers one.  Five players converging there and closer to the hole than the outside was.  Bad thing is he allowed them to use the sideline as an assist.  

The decision he made was a business decision, not a football decision.  Shortest distance between two points is a straight line... run perpendicular to the LOS, lower your shoulder and run at a seam.  He had a seam, with blockers and that's where he needed to go.  Plain and simple.  A good runner knows how to maximize a run by using his blockers to their best effect.  A runner seeking to avoid contact bounces wide.  He needed to put his foot in the ground and get upfield.  That's how to convert short yardage situations.  Bouncing wide normally ends badly in short yardage situations.

 

10 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I have no proof but I'm a conspiracy theory guy.  I think the Braves bats are juiced.  That one hand swing had no business leaving the park.

They have 5 players in the top 40 of all of baseball in average exit velocity and 6 of top 63 

#2 Ocuna
#4 Matt Olson 
#17 Austin Riley 
#32 Marcell Ozuna 
#40 Sean Murphy
#63 Michael Harris JR

Kyle Schwarber is top Phil at 16 and Bryce is #34

They have 7 guys in the top 45 in all of baseball with average home run length

#3 Ocuna 420 feet
#15 Austin Riley 414 feet
#23 Matt Olson 411 feet
#25 Michael Harris JR 411 feet
#39 Marcell Ozuna - 409 feet
#40 Sean Murphy - 409 feet
#45 Orlando Arcia - 409 feet

To put that into prospective Aaron Judge average home run length this season is 408 feet and Schwarber is at 407 feet

 

One would think the Phillies ANAL-ytics department would have those numbers as well.  I think a team is allowed one challenge per game to check for an illegal bat; right after Reid's HR would have been the time to check.

I always get a chuckle thinking back to Brady Anderson's 1996 season.  He hit 50 HR, when the year before he hit 16 and the year after he hit 18.  In his 15-year career he only went over 20 HR twice, other than that one year. 

He likely went to the Sammy Sosa school of double-dipping from the cheating pond -- take steroids AND cork your bat.    

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I thought the decision he made was a numbers terribly idiotic one.  Five players converging there and closer to the hole than the outside was.  Bad thing is he allowed them to use the sideline as an assist.  

fyp

51 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m too lazy to look at the play sequencing or context to this, but pretty wild. 

It would be interesting to see what the play calls were.  On a few occasions the play call has been a QB draw, Sunday there was a lead QB draw.  Gainwell seems to be RB of choice when used as a lead blocker.  Is that Gainwell's fault or is that a poor play design in a bad situation?   I lean to the latter.  It's possible that Gainwell's presence on the field in that situation served as an alert for the defense to be on the look out for a QB run, which again points to coaching, not the player.  Ultimately, I see the RZ futility as almost entirely a coaching issue, even the Watkins play is a coaching issue because (as Andy would say), they need to do a better job putting their players in position to make plays.  That's not Watkins' forte.  In fact, his entire skill set becomes a complete waste in the red zone.  Why have a field stretcher in the game, when the field is condensed?   Keep Watkins on the field to stretch the defense from the 20 to about the 30.  Then, put in OZ to finish it in the RZ... or run more 12 personnel (as much as folks want to discount Stoll, he's a good blocker and makes defenses play more honest against the run).  

Vander Esch out 4-6 weeks so will be missing the 1st game against us.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

In reality, any time a team doesn't convert a 3rd and two it's because at least one player made a mistake or had a bad play. Have we had any other bad plays from Quez this year in the 2.5 games he has played?

Or, the coaches made a bad decision in asking that player to do something that they clearly aren't good at.  

 

Don't blame the cook when you ask an 8 year to make a souffle´.   As you pointed out, Quez is not known for open field running, he's never looked comfortable in 'return' type situations, and yet, that's exactly what the coaches asked him to do.  Where does the blame really lie?   Does it lie with the player who has demonstrated that he's bad at doing the thing he's being asked to do, or does it lie with the ones who asked him to do the thing that he's demonstrated that he's bad at doing?

 

That play was just emblematic of the issues in the RZ.  In the RZ, the simplest plan is usually the best one.  Lean on your big money players to make the big plays.  The complementary pieces should be there in case the opposition overcommits to the big play players... as happened where Quez was wide open in the end zone.  He was forgotten about by the defense, and seemingly by Hurts as well.   And, reading the situation, it sure appears that Hurts is far more comfortable with OZ than Quez.  As such... Use OZ in those situations, rather than Quez.  It's better for the team.  (BTW, OZ also has a little experience as a returner, and is a much better open field runner, AND a more willing blocker.  WIN-WIN.)

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Nobody has really looked good on those screens. In almost every instance, it's clear the defense is expecting it when we call them. Many of them end up in a loss of yards. 

Smith does well on them. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I’m too lazy to look at the play sequencing or context to this, but pretty wild. 

It's also been very obvious.

So frustrating that Swift isn't in down there. 

I get spelling him a play but then he has to get back in. 

Gainwell was good in the playoffs last year, but he's been extremely average since he's been drafted.

Personally i'd rather see scott used more than gainwell. 

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t know how anyone can watch this play and defend Quez even slightly. Without a doubt it’s a first down if he splits the blockers. He’s either too dumb to understand the situation or too scared to take on contact. 

Not the only inaccurate screen or seeing pass from hurts in that game either. 

Hitting him in stride may have helped him on that play. A step quicker, that hole may have looked better to him. That much more time for those DBs to start to beat their blocks. 

39 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He needed two yards. He needed to put on his big boy pants and run straight ahead. You know, use his blockers a bit. 

He runs straight ahead, he is going to see impact by both Smith’s and Brown’s DB and the S, while a couple yards deeper will be to Watkins right before the yard marker. He is squared to the hole.  At 6’  193 lbs, Watkins isn’t really built for yards after contact.  OZ is the same weight and four inches shorter.  Now, the Eagles did have some success with screens with Swift (5’ 9” and 215).  Quez isn’t quick and WR strong.  He has shown nothing to suggest he can be skinny in the hole and certainly not quick burst through it. He ran a 7.28 three cone and a 4.36 short shuttle.  Eagles are enamored with his speed, hence the ball placement on screens but forget his stiffness, hence the failure on screens.  

Using Quez on screens is a misuse IMHO.  I would play on screens, in this order: Swift, Scott, Gainwell, OZ, Goedert, Quez.  I like Smith effort’s on blocks but realistically he blocks better by getting in the way.   I can’t understand why Nick/Brian don’t utilize more screens and wheel routes in 12.  That makes a hell of a lot more sense that a deep screen to Quez in four down territory.  Bad playcalling as I see it.  Didn’t like the formation, didn’t like the block placement, didn’t like the ball delivery placement and misuse of personnel.  

Now there is a play earlier in the game.  I think it may be the play where Brown failed to secure the ball at the sideline.  He has dragged the CB deep and the S was deep.  Quez is the check down and is close to the LOS with the nearest defender at least seven yards away.  If Jalen had hit Quez then, I think he had a chance for some real YAC.  

The Quez screen should have been shitcanned last year.  For a coaching style that professes to design plays to the players strengths and abilities, this play and variations thereof are poor examples of that philosophy.  

I wish I could figure out how @just relaxgets copies of the All22 and I would show a few frames of what I mean from that play but we have beaten it to death.

53 minutes ago, RLC said:

The play-call and blocking were on point.

Even if Watkins gets a yard, we go for it on 4th and 1 and convert. Instead he loses a yard and we kick a FG on 4th and 3.

Watkins needs to man-up. Those were DBs! They weren't even LBs.

Well, the 'play call' includes the personnel package, and that clearly wasn't on point.  Asked him to do something he's not really capable of doing.  Bad use of personnel.

Feels like we're saying you can't ask Quez to do a lot of things a receiver should be able to do.  i.e. run screens, block, catch the ball

48 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That’s exactly what I thought, but Goodrich could barely line up against Minnesota. 

Saw some of that with Roby.  The designs where he and Ricks played were limited against the Rams.  I think this will take some time.  Nick runs some developmental snaps all year but the downside is the vets/starters aren’t involved so the communication takes time.  You could see the difference for Opeta, who has way more experience with the OL starters between going in for Jurgens and last game, for example.

 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not the only inaccurate screen or seeing pass from hurts in that game either. 

Hitting him in stride may have helped him on that play. A step quicker, that hole may have looked better to him. That much more time for those DBs to start to beat their blocks. 

This reminds me of when you blamed Hurts for Quez’s fumble vs Washington last year. 

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not the only inaccurate screen or seeing pass from hurts in that game either. 

Hitting him in stride may have helped him on that play. A step quicker, that hole may have looked better to him. That much more time for those DBs to start to beat their blocks. 

Hate someone like Hazleton hates Jalen Hurts.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He would be a nice addition, for sure.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This reminds me of when you blamed Hurts for Quez’s fumble vs Washington last year. 

I blame Quez.

but introdicing another topic from the game- that screen pass was inaccurate. Another screen pass in the same game was even worse. Hurts had a disastrous 2nd quarter with his accuracy, saved by the 40 second TD drive to end the half. And then he seemed fixed, but it reared its head a few times more on the screen passes. It was reminding me of McNabb who inexplicably could never place a screen pass. 

There is more than one failure on the play. WRs can block better. Coaches can FINALLY realize that you cant use Quez on screens. And Hurts had an erratic accuracy night. Most of those things have been discussed. Except for Hurts. 

51 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I have no proof but I'm a conspiracy theory guy.  I think the Braves bats are juiced.  That one hand swing had no business leaving the park.

They have 5 players in the top 40 of all of baseball in average exit velocity and 6 of top 63 

#2 Ocuna
#4 Matt Olson 
#17 Austin Riley 
#32 Marcell Ozuna 
#40 Sean Murphy
#63 Michael Harris JR

Kyle Schwarber is top Phil at 16 and Bryce is #34

They have 7 guys in the top 45 in all of baseball with average home run length

#3 Ocuna 420 feet
#15 Austin Riley 414 feet
#23 Matt Olson 411 feet
#25 Michael Harris JR 411 feet
#39 Marcell Ozuna - 409 feet
#40 Sean Murphy - 409 feet
#45 Orlando Arcia - 409 feet

To put that into prospective Aaron Judge average home run length this season is 408 feet and Schwarber is at 407 feet

 

Wow.   That's quite the 'coincidence'.   If you don't mind, are you about to dig down a little deeper?  How do these numbers compare to previous years?   These guys aren't new to the league, so there should be some consistency from year to year.   For example, Schwarber's and Harper's home run length and exit velocity have always been in this area.  So, they aren't outliers.   Are these numbers outliers for these guys?

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Staying healthy is an issue and never plays big like Hill does.  Plays to his size.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hate someone like Hazleton hates Jalen Hurts.

I hate most things, but I didn't hate that pass.  It's not designed to lead the WR; it's a hitch pass 

Interesting idea, but I don’t think Howie would be interested in dealing OL depth. 

@ManuManu my post confused you? Im sorry I tuned in an hour late and didnt get caught up until about 3 and a half minutes left in the game. Maybe if I was here to point out some things live youd have noticed. The wild passes last night, and the misuse of the RBs situationally are things you havent noticed? You need to pay more attention.