1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I hate most things, but I didn't hate that pass.  It's not designed to lead the WR; it's a hitch pass 

Some teams that run it well lead the WR a bit and he hits that hole with a head of steam. Quez had to completely look back and turn his body half way around. Once he gathered the poor pass he then took another half a second to look at the defense and decide where to do. Better placed ball keeps his vision up field a bit, and possibly gives him a head of steam. Sped up a bit he might make a different decision as those 2 block would look different in that moment.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting idea, but I don’t think Howie would be interested in dealing OL depth. 

that would be a really stupid trade imo.

17 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Feels like we're saying you can't ask Quez to do a lot of things a receiver should be able to do.  i.e. run screens, block, catch the ball

Yeah as long as you don't expect him to make tough catches, hold onto the ball when he does, or pick up 2 yards on screen passes, then he's a perfectly servicable receiver! Why are you being so hard on a guy making rookie mistakes in his 4th season!? Just give the guy a chance already. Sheesh.

30 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not the only inaccurate screen or seeing pass from hurts in that game either. 

Hitting him in stride may have helped him on that play. A step quicker, that hole may have looked better to him. That much more time for those DBs to start to beat their blocks. 

This is why I enjoy the blog. Hot takes this dumb can't be found anywhere else. Well, except for TATE, I suppose. And maybe from callers on WIP. Or Skip Bayless. Ok, so I have a lot of options for them, but I still come back to the blog purely out of habit I guess.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

F it. Hardman for Mariota straight up

36 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Feels like we're saying you can't ask Quez to do a lot of things a receiver should be able to do.  i.e. run screens, block, catch the ball

The biggest are the last two you list.  A WR not running a screen so well isn't the end of the world.  BUT, the coaches not recognizing that is a bigger concern.  We need these guys to recognize what the talent can and can't do effectively, and then put them in positions where they can succeed.  Like I've said... the Watkins play is a bigger concern for me regarding the coaches than the player.  

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting idea, but I don’t think Howie would be interested in dealing OL depth. 

Driscoll is more important, would not do it. Hardman is't very good. I was thinking more along the lines of swapping Quez for Hardman. Or Quez and a conditional 6th for Hardman.

Achane to missing multiple weeks (possibly IR) for the dolphins

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting idea, but I don’t think Howie would be interested in dealing OL depth. 

What about Driscoll being in at T with the ones in TC and active every game has led to a conclusion that Driscoll isn’t the first swing T in?   So while our back up C and starting RG is on IR with a foot injury of some sort and last seen in a walking boot, trade Driscoll for a short  WR that isn’t an improvement on OZ (also cheap) or Quez (rookie 6 round contract, six feet tall and as fast) or Covey (cheap and productive) at RS for Hardman on an inflated contract.  I would rather keep Driscoll and the WRs they have.  

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.   That's quite the 'coincidence'.   If you don't mind, are you about to dig down a little deeper?  How do these numbers compare to previous years?   These guys aren't new to the league, so there should be some consistency from year to year.   For example, Schwarber's and Harper's home run length and exit velocity have always been in this area.  So, they aren't outliers.   Are these numbers outliers for these guys?

Here are the splits in average exit velocity 

#2 Ocuna in 2023 and # 35 in 2022
#4 Matt Olson in 2023 and #7 in 2022
#17 Austin Riley in 2023 and #12 in 2022
#32 Marcell Ozuna in 2023 and #108 in 2022
#40 Sean Murphy in 2023 and #142 in 2022
#63 Michael Harris JR and #98 in 2022


Here is average home run length

#3 Ocuna 420 feet in 2023 and #1 in 2022 428 feet
#15 Austin Riley 414 feet in 2023 and #17 in 2022 411 feet
#23 Matt Olson 411 feet in 2023 and # 75 in 2022 403 feet
#25 Michael Harris JR 411 feet and #84 in 2022 402 feet
#39 Marcell Ozuna - 409 feet in 2023 and #8 in 2022 414 feet
#40 Sean Murphy - 409 feet in 2023 and #21 in 2022 411 feet
#45 Orlando Arcia - 409 feet in 2023 and couldn't find in the top 250 in 2022

If they're to make a trade by the deadline, it does feel like Chinn is the name. His name has been circulating for a while, the Eagles had interest in him in the draft, the Panthers absolutely suck and would be fine with selling, his usage went down, he can play a hybrid role. Almost makes too much sense. Makes way more sense than Baker who is making like 14m.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

If they're to make a trade by the deadline, it does feel like Chinn is the name. His name has been circulating for a while, the Eagles had interest in him in the draft, the Panthers absolutely suck and would be fine with selling, his usage went down, he can play a hybrid role. Almost makes too much sense. Makes way more sense than Baker who is making like 14m.

Agreed on all counts.  And I don't see a trade for a slot who hasn't outproduced Oz by much in recent years. At least not giving up much for that. Certainly not a key backup on OL

40 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

@ManuManu my post confused you? Im sorry I tuned in an hour late and didnt get caught up until about 3 and a half minutes left in the game. Maybe if I was here to point out some things live youd have noticed. The wild passes last night, and the misuse of the RBs situationally are things you havent noticed? You need to pay more attention.

I was confused by your use of erratic and disastrous when describing Hurts’ play. The rest was fine. 

52 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Feels like we're saying you can't ask Quez to do a lot of things a receiver should be able to do.  i.e. run screens, block, catch the ball

Exactly....people criticizing the coaches for asking a football player to run a play where he might get tackled.  The horror!

He was clearly scared of the pursuit and ran to the sidelines.  He could have literally just dove or slid for the first down if hes that concerned.   Embarrassing 

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Opeta is not Herremanns.

There are quite a few similarities.  Time will tell whether those similarities grow in number.

51 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I blame Quez.

but introdicing another topic from the game- that screen pass was inaccurate. Another screen pass in the same game was even worse. Hurts had a disastrous 2nd quarter with his accuracy, saved by the 40 second TD drive to end the half. And then he seemed fixed, but it reared its head a few times more on the screen passes. It was reminding me of McNabb who inexplicably could never place a screen pass. 

There is more than one failure on the play. WRs can block better. Coaches can FINALLY realize that you cant use Quez on screens. And Hurts had an erratic accuracy night. Most of those things have been discussed. Except for Hurts. 

The pass was fine and the blocking was fine.  That play was on Quez 100% and theres nothing else to say. 

Hes a football player and has pads and a helmet.  I guess the only thing he can do is run Go's where he loses/drops the ball.  Thats a recipe for being out of the league in a couple years

34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

@ManuManu my post confused you? Im sorry I tuned in an hour late and didnt get caught up until about 3 and a half minutes left in the game. Maybe if I was here to point out some things live youd have noticed. The wild passes last night, and the misuse of the RBs situationally are things you havent noticed? You need to pay more attention.

There were some passes that were off.  Problem is, was that Hurts or the receiver?  On a couple of passes I thought the routes looked flat.  We all make assumptions that at times may not be accurate with the route called versus run or the coverage called on D.  That said, Hurts wasn’t perfect.  He made a few poor throws and made some flawed pocket decisions.  He needs to be better at stepping up in the pocket instead of outside the tackle box.  That was made up for with some brilliant RPO and RO decisions.  

Screen passes are so much touch that they aren’t easy.  I think where Quez was asked to catch the ball was the issue.  That play design sucked.  WRs immediately engage at the LOS.  Quez has to run backwards for the ball, turn, make a decision and run to what he thinks is where the best place to get the two yards is not a good design.  Ball was passed to him five yards behind the LOS.  That wasn’t on Hurts, that was the design.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

The pass was fine and the blocking was fine.  That play was on Quez 100% and theres nothing else to say. 

Hes a football player and has pads and a helmet.  I guess the only thing he can do is run Go's where he loses/drops the ball.  Thats a recipe for being out of the league in a couple years

Quez’s attention to detail is so bad, I’m not even sure the misfire to him (that HE is probably including in his description of Hurts’ play) was Hurts’ fault. Did Quez even run the route correctly? Did he get the correct depth?

I keep bringing up Tavierre Thomas as our potential trade partner but doesn't seem to be catching on.  Doesn't make much money and should be coming off injury (broken hand) over next few weeks.  He is really good in the slot and a good run defender as well.  This guy had him as the #1 slot corner

 https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/best-slot-defenders-tavierre-thomas-jimmie-ward-derwin-james/

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I personally do not have a problem with Harper's over aggressive base running in that situation.  His mind was on scoring and he took a calculated risk that Castellanos' hit was over Harris' head.  Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

EDIT: One other aspect that makes me comfortable with the play is that Bryce was playing to win rather than playing not to lose.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

There were some passes that were off.  Problem is, was that Hurts or the receiver?  On a couple of passes I thought the routes looked flat.  We all make assumptions that at times may not be accurate with the route called versus run or the coverage called on D.  That said, Hurts wasn’t perfect.  He made a few poor throws and made some flawed pocket decisions.  He needs to be better at stepping up in the pocket instead of outside the tackle box.  That was made up for with some brilliant RPO and RO decisions.  

Screen passes are so much touch that they aren’t easy.  I think where Quez was asked to catch the ball was the issue.  That play design sucked.  WRs immediately engage at the LOS.  Quez has to run backwards for the ball, turn, make a decision and run to what he thinks is where the best place to get the two yards is not a good design.  Ball was passed to him five yards behind the LOS.  That wasn’t on Hurts, that was the design.

Pretty much this, except blaming the play design. It’s an easy 2 yards. Hurts misfired on some throws, but it’s hyperbole to call it erratic. 

His pick was awful, although maybe he was expected Brown to do something else? Sirianni was ticked so I suspect that’s on Hurts. The sack he took where he stood in the pocket forever was probably his second worst play. 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Screen passes are so much touch that they aren’t easy.  I think where Quez was asked to catch the ball was the issue.  That play design sucked.  WRs immediately engage at the LOS.  Quez has to run backwards for the ball, turn, make a decision and run to what he thinks is where the best place to get the two yards is not a good design.  Ball was passed to him five yards behind the LOS.  That wasn’t on Hurts, that was the design.

This is honestly baffling to me.

It was a very safe and effective call on 3rd and short, you just need your WR to play football there.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Pretty much this, except blaming the play design. It’s an easy 2 yards. Hurts misfired on some throws, but it’s hyperbole to call it erratic. 

His pick was awful, although maybe he was expected Brown to do something else? Sirianni was ticked so I suspect that’s on Hurts. The sack he took where he stood in the pocket forever was probably his second worst play. 

The thing with the forever sack is that he's turned a few of those into very good plays so if once a game that becomes a sack is that really a bad choice?

44 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Some teams that run it well lead the WR a bit and he hits that hole with a head of steam. Quez had to completely look back and turn his body half way around. Once he gathered the poor pass he then took another half a second to look at the defense and decide where to do. Better placed ball keeps his vision up field a bit, and possibly gives him a head of steam. Sped up a bit he might make a different decision as those 2 block would look different in that moment.

There are certainly times where Hurts deserves criticism, but you seem to go to extreme lengths to do it. If he isn't 100% perfect every single snap then you make sure to point it out. It's weird. No QB is perfect. Hurts is amazing and yet you clearly can't get past your initial opinion of him.