3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He hasn't even been averaged. He's averaging 3.2 YPC. I don't understand why we have so many Gainwell apologists when he doesn't offer much outside of average play at best. The 1st down catch he had against the Rams was his best play of the year. Other than that he's just totally MEHHH. 

What's the real alternative?   Scott is another 'average at best' guy, and Penny seems to be in the doghouse.   They can't feed Swift all the snaps/touches and let him get too worn down, or he'll be useless when we need him the most.  So, let's use Gainwell to spell Swift until a better option comes along.

32 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think they’ll give Quez more games to redeem himself, and beyond that OZ should be getting more snaps… for team chemistry reasons I think the match is doubtful.

Would rather reward Oz for the positive plays he's made this year and give him a bigger role than have to force the ball to Quez at the small chance he redeems himself. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct.  There are very few pieces that would be expendable, so picking up a guy that's, at best, marginally better than what we currently have isn't worth trading a piece we might have to spend.   I see no need to add another WR, but I do see defensive help as a serious concern, so that's where the tradeable pieces should be allocated.  That said, Driscoll may or may not be one of those.  We don't know.   We do know that if Kelce got hurt that the team would have played musical chairs with the OL (According to reports) and that Steen would have gone in at RG, Opeta to LG and then Dickerson to C.  Sounds to me like Steen is a guy that's LT/RG only right now, IF LT is even an option for him at this point.  Driscoll offers far more versatility.   As for Clark and Good-Jones... Clark isn't really that good, but is here for emergencies.  Good-Jones is just an interior guy, IIRC.  So, the OT depth is severely lacking.  Driscoll might really be the only RT option they trust right now.  Trading him might mean that an injury to Johnson would cause a flip of Mailata to RT and insertion of Steen at LT.   Not ideal by any means.

Yeah - there's nothing that would make me think Driscoll should be a trade chip for a position that just isn't a need.  I forgot about Jurgens uncertain status which should definitely be considered.  

Ted does good work, so he’s probably right. 

11 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Not too much to complain about between the 20s, but no team by design is bad in the RZ.

No one said they are "by design" bad in the RZ.  It's a weakness they've acknowledged. The point was that they find ways to win, they're not one-dimensional.  They can adapt to what the game presents them to find ways to win.  And they have.  They definitely need to improve in several areas (secondary defense, red zone offense for example).  Especially with better teams coming up.  But given they are 5-0 despite injuries, new coordinators and players they're doing well and improving.  The 1st half against the Rams the defense was struggling.  They made halftime adjustments, then dominated in the 2nd half.  Fans were ready to call it a game when Kupp was making big plays, then they adjusted and they barely did anything in the 2nd half.  That's a good sign.  How many times have we been mad they didn't adjust in past games?  Now they need to adjust the RZ offense and sort that out.

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He would get SNAPS here though as the #3... which is apparently more than he's getting in LA.  That part he'd probably like, and he's got NFL bloodlines, I think he's an upgrade from Watkins for what he was asked to do on Sunday, and he's a far more willing blocker than Watkins.    That said... the price is likely too high... as in the Eagles need to spend what little resources they have on positions of higher priority.  WR3 is a luxury item by comparison.

He would get snaps but if he wants to be featured that to me means a good amount of targets.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

He runs straight ahead, he is going to see impact by both Smith’s and Brown’s DB and the S, while a couple yards deeper will be to Watkins right before the yard marker. He is squared to the hole.  At 6’  193 lbs, Watkins isn’t really built for yards after contact.  OZ is the same weight and four inches shorter.  Now, the Eagles did have some success with screens with Swift (5’ 9” and 215).  Quez isn’t quick and WR strong.  He has shown nothing to suggest he can be skinny in the hole and certainly not quick burst through it. He ran a 7.28 three cone and a 4.36 short shuttle.  Eagles are enamored with his speed, hence the ball placement on screens but forget his stiffness, hence the failure on screens.  

Using Quez on screens is a misuse IMHO.  I would play on screens, in this order: Swift, Scott, Gainwell, OZ, Goedert, Quez.  I like Smith effort’s on blocks but realistically he blocks better by getting in the way.   I can’t understand why Nick/Brian don’t utilize more screens and wheel routes in 12.  That makes a hell of a lot more sense that a deep screen to Quez in four down territory.  Bad playcalling as I see it.  Didn’t like the formation, didn’t like the block placement, didn’t like the ball delivery placement and misuse of personnel.  

Now there is a play earlier in the game.  I think it may be the play where Brown failed to secure the ball at the sideline.  He has dragged the CB deep and the S was deep.  Quez is the check down and is close to the LOS with the nearest defender at least seven yards away.  If Jalen had hit Quez then, I think he had a chance for some real YAC.  

The Quez screen should have been shitcanned last year.  For a coaching style that professes to design plays to the players strengths and abilities, this play and variations thereof are poor examples of that philosophy.  

I wish I could figure out how @just relaxgets copies of the All22 and I would show a few frames of what I mean from that play but we have beaten it to death.

He's a freaking football player. He shouldn't be out there if he's afraid of getting tackled. Let us remember, it's 3rd and two! If he goes straight up the field he's going to get at least 4-5 yards. Even if he only gets two, it's enough. This is a four-point play that fails because he chickened out. I don't know any other way to put it.

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Not to beat a dead horse here,  but he lined up at the 22.5 yard line and the ball was right on his chest.  He took a couple steps back to give Hurts a clear path to throw it.  IMO this is exactly how it was designed and it was well executed up until Quez ran sideways 

The All22 would show you the S that is about at the five yard line and aligned to the hole between Brown and Smith. Now Quez has dropped about three yard from where he started and not aligned to the hole.  He has to turn to the ball and doesn’t see the hole peripherally.  That ball drops about to his waste level for the catch.  Now Quez is a basket catcher more than a hands catcher so he is partly to blame for that.  But the design doesn’t fit his strengths.  He isn’t quick.  OZ is quicker.  Now his turning to align toward the hole rather than slanting was a horrible decision.  I said it was a numbers decision because he is thinking six players versus two and that’s because a speed player always thinks they can make the corner.  He can’t because he is stiff.  He is exactly what I worry about with Ringo as a DB. (And why I think he dropped.) Fast but stiff hips takes away his quickness.   But this picture is exactly why this is a poor play for Quez.   The right placement for him is lining up at the back of the number arrow and catching it at the point of the arrow so he already has his forward motion.  You picture looks like forward momentum but it’s not it’s backwards momentum. But frankly, I don’t like this design period assuming it was run initially as designed. OZ might be quick enough but I think one of those corners gets an arm on him enough for the S to get there.  I think the TEs are too slow for it.  Maybe Swift or Scott with their after contact strength but not sure they beat the S.  Maybe Gainwell but he’s not much stouter than Quez.  

BTW, some credit to the Rams.  CBs are much better positioned on this play than the first play of the game, but that’s because they aren’t worried about the rub play as much.  

This isn’t defense of Quez.  I have hated screens to him for years.  Yes, he is fast but he is not quick and really doesn’t have a burst step.  But this version is even worse than the stop version.  And look at where Brown and Smith are.  The Eagles already conceded the sideline so it’s bonehead of Quez to think he can win the corner.  He failed to take what was given and tried for the hero ball approach. Problem is, I don’t think taking what was given gains two yards.

Hurts zips it to get it there a bit faster and there is as good of chance as not, Quez doesn’t catch it.  Same with OZ.  
 

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Scott is another 'average at best' guy,

We dance this dance every year.  When the weather turns cold Scott will pay his dues as he does every single year.

8 minutes ago, just relax said:

He's a freaking football player. He shouldn't be out there if he's afraid of getting tackled. Let us remember, it's 3rd and two! If he goes straight up the field he's going to get at least 4-5 yards. Even if he only gets two, it's enough. This is a four-point play that fails because he chickened out. I don't know any other way to put it.

If he puts his nose into the mix he gains three or four yards just on his momentum and the Birds have a first down.  It was a horrible play by a guy who didn't want to get hit.  Plain and simple.

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Would rather reward Oz for the positive plays he's made this year and give him a bigger role than have to force the ball to Quez at the small chance he redeems himself. 

I’d rather go with more OZ and his reliability, as Smitty/AJ provide enough of a deep threat.

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

We dance this dance every year.  When the weather turns cold Scott will pay his dues as he does every single year.

Saving him vs the Giants to get his TD

13 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

On the honor system.

Guess would be Dallas.

Cleveland 

6 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Saving him vs the Giants to get his TD

Yep, that's part of it.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Achane will be out for Eagles game! That will be huge

 

 

 

 

They will still have their way with our defense.  Only Tua or Hill being out would impact that.

@mattwill

Eagles 31, Jets 13

Bonus -- Eagles 200+ rushing yards, Eagles defense gets 5+ sacks

Didn't take long

 

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ted does good work, so he’s probably right. 

It’s amazing how bad it is. With the amount of weapons the eagles have it shouldn’t be 27th in the league. I could understand middle of the pack. But to be as bad as they are is incredible giving all the advantages the eagles have. That said i get no way the ball was ever going to go to aj with the play called, but the optics of him just casually walking aren’t good. I’d also point out the inside receiver looked like he gave a half assed effort too so not just aj.  

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Didn't take long

 

 the falcons already have London, pitts and hollins they don’t utilize properly in the pass game lol 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.   He seems contact averse.  Many WRs are... so it's not shocking.  It is the ones that AREN'T that should be the targets for the WR screens.

This. A million times, this.

Hence my obsession with Malachi Corley and Ainias Smith as draft targets.

If teams are going to play deep vs us, we need a WR who can punish that strategy with high % short passes that he turns into chunk plays.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s amazing how bad it is. With the amount of weapons the eagles have it shouldn’t be 27th in the league. I could understand middle of the pack. But to be as bad as they are is incredible giving all the advantages the eagles have. That said i get no way the ball was ever going to go to aj with the play called, but the optics of him just casually walking aren’t good. I’d also point out the inside receiver looked like he gave a half assed effort too so not just aj.  

Utter nonsense. Yards - 2nd. Points - 5th. Time of Possession - 4th.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He would get SNAPS here though as the #3... which is apparently more than he's getting in LA.  That part he'd probably like, and he's got NFL bloodlines, I think he's an upgrade from Watkins for what he was asked to do on Sunday, and he's a far more willing blocker than Watkins.    That said... the price is likely too high... as in the Eagles need to spend what little resources they have on positions of higher priority.  WR3 is a luxury item by comparison.

Very much agree! Just the resources aren’t actually bad, extra picks, plenty of cap space- I think we are among the very few when it comes to resource.

That said slot receiver looks to be the top priority on offense but behind DE and corner.

Which is weird considering it should be safety and LB. But people have really been stepping up at these positions.

40 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What's the real alternative?   Scott is another 'average at best' guy, and Penny seems to be in the doghouse.   They can't feed Swift all the snaps/touches and let him get too worn down, or he'll be useless when we need him the most.  So, let's use Gainwell to spell Swift until a better option comes along.

I don't understand the RB rotation.  It feels very speculative to guess what the coaches are thinking. I think Gainwell is OK.  Some of his YPC are situational but he leaves a lot to be desired in terms of contact balance and elusiveness.  He reminds me of Smallwood at this point.  He can hit the correct hole but isn't going to break some big run.  Scott has been effective enough in the past to warrant snaps.  He's also been an effective short yardage type back at times. The only explanation as to why he hasn't gotten more snaps is they may trust Gainwell as a pass blocker more.   I can't imagine Penny doesn't deserve any snaps. He ran with decent power in the pre-season.  My belief is that Penny's and Swift's injury histories are playing a role in not using Penny.  I am not sure why they don't try either when Gainwell isn't creating much with the opportunities he gets.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't understand the RB rotation.  It feels very speculative to guess what the coaches are thinking. I think Gainwell is OK.  Some of his YPC are situational but he leaves a lot to be desired in terms of contact balance and elusiveness.  He reminds me of Smallwood at this point.  He can hit the correct hole but isn't going to break some big run.  Scott has been effective enough in the past to warrant snaps.  He's also been an effective short yardage type back at times. The only explanation as to why he hasn't gotten more snaps is they may trust Gainwell as a pass blocker more.   I can't imagine Penny doesn't deserve any snaps. He ran with decent power in the pre-season.  My belief is that Penny's and Swift's injury histories are playing a role in not using Penny.  I am not sure why they don't try either when Gainwell isn't creating much with the opportunities he gets.

Penny's pass pro in the preseason was embarrassing.

10 minutes ago, just relax said:

Utter nonsense. Yards - 2nd. Points - 5th. Time of Possession - 4th.

How’s that have anything to do about their issues in the red zone? Which is what i specifically discussed. Can say utter nonsense but their red zone offense is 8-19 on the year which is 42%. That’s going to be a problem.   It’s 27th in the league. We can say utter nonsense but you are going to face more prolific offenses and it’s gonna be much harder to win against those teams when you are 2-6 or 1-5 in the red zone. 

Eagles are about to face the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 7th best red zone offensive teams. And the eagles red zone defense hasn’t exactly been great either. They are ranked 30th in the league giving up tds on 75% of red zone trips.  So you can’t stop anybody in the red zone and you’ve dropped from top 5 red zone offenses in 2022 to one of the worst in the league. Having a bad red zone defense with an inconsistent red zone offense is a recipe of potential disaster against better opponents like bills, Miami, Sf and KC.