12 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

 

Glad he listened 🙄

Same weak ass game plan as before.  They just don't seem to be able to adapt at all.  Designed runs with Hurts, deep ball passes and runs up the gut.  They did try some screens last night but they were horribly executed and Hurts should have progressed out of them.  Problem seems to be play design, play calling and Hurt's execution and reads.  

Not good. 

Back to back bubble screens get blow up. Great play calls. Great play design, have a skinny pencil try and block the Safety on TE screen. 

I dunno. Maybe its the analytics telling them you gotta chuck the ball down the field at least 5 times a game or something. Cant think of any other reason.

On 12/16/2023 at 3:34 AM, EagleVA said:

As I've said before, the main issue with the Eagles passing game is the failure to spread the ball around, perfect example was the Dallas game, 27 passes, only two players targeted.

It's pretty much been like that for the past 2 years, cover Brown and Smith and you have a good chance in beating the Eagles.  If they do that in Seattle they lose the game, count on it, they have a pretty good secondary.

BTW, in the Dallas game, Dak targeted 8 players.

Yet when they throw it to Quez or anyone else, everyone loses their ish and says 'why did he throw it to Quez? He should be throwing it to AJ/Smith!'.

One of the issues with this offense is they are top heavy. They have three elite receiving options in Brown, Smith and Goedert. After those 3 it is a steep drop off. Quez doesn't make plays consistently enough, Jones is old and cooked, Zaccheaus has made a handful of plays but is behind the other two now that Quez is healthy, Stoll is a run blocking option that is a non factor in the pass game and Calcaterra injured himself again and isn't very good.

The backs should be more of a factor in the passing game but they haven't been a very good screen team since Reid/Shady. Looking at Swift's numbers, his average yards per reception are nowhere near what they were last year with the Lions. Johnson did try and get the backs involved in the passing game but it was ineffective. Swift has had more targets and receptions than Sanders had last year but is averaging one less carry per game and doesn't have the nose for the endzone like Sanders did last year (they have also been using Gainwell in those goal line situations). Gainwell has also been far less efficient than last year and his YPC have dropped significantly.

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Same weak ass game plan as before.  They just don't seem to be able to adapt at all.  Designed runs with Hurts, deep ball passes and runs up the gut.  They did try some screens last night but they were horribly executed and Hurts should have progressed out of them.  Problem seems to be play design, play calling and Hurt's execution and reads.  

Not good. 

Yeah, that RB screen looked awful. The only other one I can remember this year was to Gainwell and that looked worse. What ever happened to the RB screens that AR ran to Westbrook? That deflated any defense who tried to pressure us. I can remember countless times, 3rd and 7 or 3rd and 8th, screen to Westbrook for 20-25 yards. Deadly play. 

Also theres that saying...taking what the other teams defense gives you? Feels like the Eagles have completely stopped doing that. Unlike the 49ers who try their best to hit the wide open guy, everything we do seems forced and random. Is it just awful decision making by Hurts?

There is ZERO excuse for not being able to get Swift and/or Scott into the passing game.  They are terrible at screens but where are the wheel routes and/or getting them isolated on a LB?  

They should use Zaccheus instead of Quez.......Zaccheus always keeps moving & finding open areas when Hurts is forced from the pocket and he has great hands.  They should use him in the short passing game more.  Quez is a joke.

Where are the slants and crossing routes?  Simply not enough with Brown and Smith.  And STOP WITH THE QUICK WR SCREENS.....For God's sake, they never work and are just a throwaway down always putting the eagles in a 2nd or 3rd and long......

And where is Penny?  Is he healthy?  Because if he is, he's better than Gainwell and Scott.  If he isn't, why is he still taking up a roster spot?

Just now, opa-opa said:

I dunno. Maybe its the analytics telling them you gotta chuck the ball down the field at least 5 times a game or something. Cant think of any other reason.

Brown and Smith are both great in jump ball situations when they're one on one. In the past they were effective at either drawing a penalty or making a contested catch. We just saw the Seahawks do the same thing on their last drive, they took a shot with Lock throwing a bomb to DK and then he threw the last one to the rookie to win the game. The two Hurts interceptions came on deep shots, the first should have been a pass interference call with Quez just giving up on the play, the second Love made a ridiculous catch coming across the field. 

The first drive they seemed to move the ball pretty effectively. I think the 49'ers ran a lot of those screens with Deebo against the Seahawks and were pretty effective so they thought they would take a shot with them but they didn't seem to work very well. Hurts was finding the open guys and hitting them. They did a great job of controlling the clock and keeping the D off the field. The Kecle false start killed the FG drive and they had another 12 play drive for their second TD. The last quarter sticks out because they had 2 interceptions and they do go through some lulls during games. Johnson has been trying some new things with the offense but the lulls are coming at really bad times with a defense that can't stop anyone. 

6 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Also theres that saying...taking what the other teams defense gives you? Feels like the Eagles have completely stopped doing that. Unlike the 49ers who try their best to hit the wide open guy, everything we do seems forced and random. Is it just awful decision making by Hurts?

Brady was the master of that. If you gave him a guaranteed 7 yard gain, he’d take it rather than trying to squeeze the ball between 2 defenders 25 yards downfield. While Hurts is making some poor decisions, the coaches need to coach him up. 

17 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

Yeah, that RB screen looked awful. The only other one I can remember this year was to Gainwell and that looked worse. What ever happened to the RB screens that AR ran to Westbrook? That deflated any defense who tried to pressure us. I can remember countless times, 3rd and 7 or 3rd and 8th, screen to Westbrook for 20-25 yards. Deadly play. 

Yea, that West Coast offense Andy ran drove us nuts at times but it worked.  I feel like they are trying to shift to something like that now but it just isn't working.  All the passes to receivers are comeback routes so there are no yards after catch.  The screens are blanketed and Hurts doesn't read the coverage at all....just throws blindly to the RB. 

It all just feels very predictable and contrived.  Not difficult to defend at all. 

And don't even get me started on the defense.  

A poor game plan with bad playcalling will cause your QB to try and do too much.....which is a direct result of not trusting the coordinator.

When a QB tries to do too much, he ends up doing a few things that hurt his game.....such as, holding the ball too long, forcing a ball into a tight window too often, locking onto one receiver, not seeing open receivers underneath because he feels pressure for a big gainer.  

When QB do this stuff, they end up developing bad habits that take a while to correct.

With Hurts right now, it should be all about piling up first down.....run the ball with RUNNING BACKS, misdirection plays, roll outs, and use the 5-10 yard passing game.  Get Goedart more involved in the red zone.....Get the backs more involved with wheel routes and isolation plays......Let the linemen get into a zone.....churn yardage and first downs, use the clock, keep the other teams offense off the field.  

None of this is rocket science.  But the play calling is simply not taking advantage of the talent the eagles have.....

But the players need a wake up call too......turnovers are NEVER tolerable.  And the whole unit needs to show some urgency and intensity.  

8 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Yea, that West Coast offense Andy ran drove us nuts at times but it worked.  I feel like they are trying to shift to something like that now but it just isn't working.  All the passes to receivers are comeback routes so there are no yards after catch.  The screens are blanketed and Hurts doesn't read the coverage at all....just throws blindly to the RB. 

It all just feels very predictable and contrived.  Not difficult to defend at all. 

And don't even get me started on the defense.  

So true........who the hell is the passing game coordinator?  The routes are simple and never give the WRs or TEs a chance to outrun somebody or make a move.  They get hit so quickly after the catch with these routes.  

25 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

There is ZERO excuse for not being able to get Swift and/or Scott into the passing game.  They are terrible at screens but where are the wheel routes and/or getting them isolated on a LB?  

They should use Zaccheus instead of Quez.......Zaccheus always keeps moving & finding open areas when Hurts is forced from the pocket and he has great hands.  They should use him in the short passing game more.  Quez is a joke.

Where are the slants and crossing routes?  Simply not enough with Brown and Smith.  And STOP WITH THE QUICK WR SCREENS.....For God's sake, they never work and are just a throwaway down always putting the eagles in a 2nd or 3rd and long......

And where is Penny?  Is he healthy?  Because if he is, he's better than Gainwell and Scott.  If he isn't, why is he still taking up a roster spot?

Agree with everything, especially the bolded.

Hurts was asked by a reporter if he is frustrated by the lack of easier throws.  He said he runs what is called.  His answer said it all.

Hurts doesn't see the open wide receiver in a crossing pattern and throws the ball downfield to a covered WR. He has done this repeatedly. If he had thrown the ball to DeVante he could have run for 30 yards. 

I'm just ready for the season to be over and hope for the best we get a real OC. It's one thing if it were only situational calls but there's absolutely no play design creativity or scheme. I'm convinced that the playbook only consist of 7 plays that they run every week. The offense has way too much individual talent that's going to waste because the coaches can't design plays.

Wtf are they still targeting Quez and not Zechueus? Bad things usually happens when trying to get Quez involved. Also, their gameplan of running the ball more calls for Hurts to run 13 times? Where is Penny? I'm just so ready for this season to be done because I've really lost interest in watching this team play. 

10 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

So true........who the hell is the passing game coordinator?  The routes are simple and never give the WRs or TEs a chance to outrun somebody or make a move.  They get hit so quickly after the catch with these routes.  

Right.  In my mind this is one of the biggest shifts from where we were earlier in the season and all of last year.  Hurts was hitting guys in stride and he was much more diverse in his targets.  Now, he drops back, holds on to the ball way to long and waits for a receiver to get open.  What's worse is that he does this on 1st or second down and squanders the entire drive. 

1 minute ago, Heavywchamp said:

I'm just ready for the season to be over and hope for the best we get a real OC. It's one thing if it were only situational calls but there's absolutely no play design creativity or scheme. I'm convinced that the playbook only consist of 7 plays that they run every week. The offense has way too much individual talent that's going to waste because the coaches can't design plays.

Wtf are they still targeting Quez and not Zechueus? Bad things usually happens when trying to get Quez involved. Also, their gameplan of running the ball more calls for Hurts to run 13 times? Where is Penny? I'm just so ready for this season to be done because I've really lost interest in watching this team play. 

Howie better have Frank Reich on retainer at this point.  We need some adults in the room. 

What's most frustrating for me is that the question to "what is this team's identity" is right there staring at them in the face all season.

They can build their whole identity around the tush push, the brotherly shove, whatever you want to call it. ie their identity should be running the ball, being physical, trying to get to that 3rd and short and then the automatic tush push as much as possible.

Instead they want to throw to AJ Brown ad nauseam, they want to be this big play razzle dazzle team which they are not.

Those big TD bombs to AJ are not happening this year, for some reason. They need to accept the reality, but they won't. 

2 hours ago, opa-opa said:

I dunno. Maybe its the analytics telling them you gotta chuck the ball down the field at least 5 times a game or something. Cant think of any other reason.

Two words: Buddy Ball

2 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

What's most frustrating for me is that the question to "what is this team's identity" is right there staring at them in the face all season.

They can build their whole identity around the tush push, the brotherly shove, whatever you want to call it. ie their identity should be running the ball, being physical, trying to get to that 3rd and short and then the automatic tush push as much as possible.

Instead they want to throw to AJ Brown ad nauseam, they want to be this big play razzle dazzle team which they are not. 

exactly. All these balls getting batted down and the underthrows. They should really pay attention to how baltimore and san fran run thier offenses. You cant tell me Hurts isnt capable of running a similar style to that. Hurts is not a pocket passer and they need more quick release plays

 

 

On 12/15/2023 at 10:43 AM, opa-opa said:

I dunno why every pass Jalen makes seems so hard. While somehow Brock Purdys passes look so easy and the guy is always wide open.

I don't know know. I would guess that that scheme allows the offensive playmaker to get the ball in space.and on time 🙂

How has he not been fired yet? 

3 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

There is ZERO excuse for not being able to get Swift and/or Scott into the passing game.  They are terrible at screens but where are the wheel routes and/or getting them isolated on a LB?  

They should use Zaccheus instead of Quez.......Zaccheus always keeps moving & finding open areas when Hurts is forced from the pocket and he has great hands.  They should use him in the short passing game more.  Quez is a joke.

Where are the slants and crossing routes?  Simply not enough with Brown and Smith.  And STOP WITH THE QUICK WR SCREENS.....For God's sake, they never work and are just a throwaway down always putting the eagles in a 2nd or 3rd and long......

And where is Penny?  Is he healthy?  Because if he is, he's better than Gainwell and Scott.  If he isn't, why is he still taking up a roster spot?

According to people on here...he's being saved for later lol