On 11/6/2023 at 5:05 PM, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

I checked my betting site and Mahomes is very slight favourite with Hurts just behind. Jackson is 3rd and Tua is dropping (pretty clear he dominates bad teams and sucks against good ones). 

I agree it doesn’t really matter but my point is this thread was ludicrous, claiming a guy who has been in the MVP front running for the last 2 years is done. 
 

Bro, you've been here long enough to know the kind of bipolar fair weather fans we got.

12 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

Jalen Hurts is the toughest QB with some of the best leadership qualities I've ever seen.

This is a guy you got to battle for. This is a guy that rises to the occasion in the most important moments and regardless of the situation.

Are there areas he needs to improve? Of course there are and there always will be. But Jalen Hurts is the epidome of what we all should want an Eagles QB to look like. This thread should just go away at this point it's aging poorly.

To think a lot of Eagles fans (myself included) ranted about getting Hurts in second round. That was because they had what was thought of a Franchise QB in Wentz at time. Philly.500 has a rant about when Hurts got drafted. This is, so far, the greatest stupid pick Howie has made.

I'm guessing Howie may have had foresight that Wentz may not really be that guy. I read somewhere about not wanting to make same mistake they made in 2012 by waiting to draft a QB in third round (Russell Wilson).

1 minute ago, gameshowfan91 said:

To think a lot of Eagles fans (myself included) ranted about getting Hurts in second round. That was because they had what was thought of a Franchise QB in Wentz at time. Philly.500 has a rant about when Hurts got drafted.

I'm guessing Howie may have had foresight that Wentz may not really be that guy. I read somewhere about not wanting to make same mistake they made in 2012 by waiting to draft a QB in third round (Russell Wilson).

It's wild really. I was not on the boards during the Wentz downfall. Shortly after the Super bowl I went through some intense family situations. I just didn't have the time or the energy for much.

But I will say after the Super Bowl I was firmly in the Foles camp regardless of Wentz. Once Wentz returned he was just not the same and it was pretty clear right from the jump.

Once all the locker room stuff started to come out I was pretty much done with Carson Wentz. When we drafted Jalen I didn't know much about him so I started to watch some highlights read some articles and watch a few game replays. I admired everything I found. I think he is a very special kind of football player and we are beyond lucky to have him.

His growth and progression as an elite NFL QB is not really surprising if you look into the path he followed.

I think he is better than Tua. But his response to Tua winning that national championship game speaks volumes about his character. Ironically I think Carson was completely incapable of being that kind of player. He couldn't handle the potential of Jalen Hurts anymore than he could handle the shadow of Nick Foles.

The whole Wentz situation was weird. We all laughed at the Browns when they said he wasn't a top 30 QB and down the track they were right, however it's easy to diminish how good he was so early in his career. Wentz was an elite QB for a period of time and was a huge reason they won their first SB even if he didn't play in the game itself. 

Hurts is a bit of a different beast, I thought after the playoffs (Bucs) that he had everything you wanted in a QB except for his arm and I wasn't sure if it would ever be much better than back up QB territory. He proved me wrong the very next season and has turned into the complete package. He is a natural leader and the way he carries himself off-field at his age is almost unheard of. They were really lucky to strike gold with Hurts just as Wentz fell into a free fall. 

2 hours ago, Mat said:

The whole Wentz situation was weird. We all laughed at the Browns when they said he wasn't a top 30 QB and down the track they were right, however it's easy to diminish how good he was so early in his career. Wentz was an elite QB for a period of time and was a huge reason they won their first SB even if he didn't play in the game itself. 

Hurts is a bit of a different beast, I thought after the playoffs that he had everything you wanted in a QB except for his arm and I wasn't sure if it would ever be much better than back up QB territory. He proved me wrong the very next season and has turned into the complete package. He is a natural leader and the way he carries himself off-field at his age is almost unheard of. They were really lucky to strike gold with Hurts just as Wentz fell into a free fall. 

 

Wentz's decline was due to his unwillingness to improve and injuries tbh.  He could've been the franchise guy here, but he never mentally recovered from Foles stealing his thunder, and he wasn't willing to be coached.  You saw the same flaws in his mechanics/game while in WAS and IND. Now he's with the Rams, and IF he's smart and puts in the work, he could actually steal the starting job, cos imo Stafford is done.   I see Matt eventually getting benched, or out due to injury.

I admittedly knew nothing about Hurts except that he was the QB that got benched in the title game for Tua. I'd never seen him play, and didn't have any expectations.  I'm glad he's panned out.

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

 

Wentz's decline was due to his unwillingness to improve and injuries tbh.  He could've been the franchise guy here, but he never mentally recovered from Foles stealing his thunder, and he wasn't willing to be coached.  You saw the same flaws in his mechanics/game while in WAS and IND. Now he's with the Rams, and IF he's smart and puts in the work, he could actually steal the starting job, cos imo Stafford is done.   I see Matt eventually getting benched, or out due to injury.

I admittedly knew nothing about Hurts except that he was the QB that got benched in the title game for Tua. I'd never seen him play, and didn't have any expectations.  I'm glad he's panned out.

One thing we knew about Hurts from the start was his leadership intangibles and his work ethic that all of the haters tried downplay. He didn’t have the cool big arm so that meant he sucked. He was a "running back playing quarterback” in the eyes of many. They weren’t giving Hurts props for improving every year. They never took into account Hurts never had the same OC in consecutive seasons in his college and professional career (until last year) as factors. They refused to admit Jalen’s arm was better than they thought. Still stuck on old tropes (some of them even to this day) that the guy can’t read defenses. Ultimately many of these people were stuck on the previous guy and some to this day still refuse to accept the truth about that guy. In their minds Hurts was the transitional quarterback holding a place for the next big arm guy leading us nowhere. I know that other guy had a very good start for the Eagles, but so has Jalen. In fact Jalen has been more consistent especially in terms of winning. Many have accepted that Jalen is the real deal, but obviously there are some still stuck in hopes in finding the next big arm leading us nowhere fast. On a side note Wentz has 35 wins as an Eagle over 68 total regular season game starts. Jalen Hurts already has 31 wins in 43 starts. The quarterback matters. 

Possibly real reason why Hurts was drafted.

2 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Possibly real reason why Hurts was drafted.

He also did this on the Americas Game video. He complained about not being the guy.

While also playing through a knee injury

 

17 hours ago, SkippyX said:

He also did this on the Americas Game video. He complained about not being the guy.

That is a real bad look.

12 hours ago, time2rock said:

That’s three HOF players and all SB winners. Every week people find crazy new stats on this guy. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

That’s three HOF players and all SB winners. Every week people find crazy new stats on this guy. 

Dude just keeps winning. And he doesn’t post huge numbers but he and his team find ways to win.

I saw something like Hurts only threw 7 passes (could be completions) in the second half vs Dallas… 2 of them were TDs that put us in the lead and then extended that lead. I mean that’s just clinical.

On 11/8/2023 at 10:22 PM, gameshowfan91 said:

Possibly real reason why Hurts was drafted.

Back when Hurts was drafted I was one of the people who hated the pick, but one thing I knew for sure was he wasn’t taken to be flipped for a first, nor was he taken to be some type of Taysom Hill. Also if Hurts went out there and played well he would have made himself more valuable to the Eagles and Wentz expendable. At the time it seemed to make more sense to get Wentz weapons considering they made him the guy, but my overall opinion of Wentz being the guy began to wain in 2019 when he had a stretch where he basically lost games against the better teams in the NFL, but beat up a bunch of cupcakes to make it to the playoffs. It’s not that he lost those games, but how small he came up in them. When the behind the scenes stuff started to come up back in 2018 it was worrisome to me, but I thought his talent could overcome all that, but when I started to see him flounder in big spots against real teams that’s when I got concerned. 

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Dude just keeps winning. And he doesn’t post huge numbers but he and his team find ways to win.

I saw something like Hurts only threw 7 passes (could be completions) in the second half vs Dallas… 2 of them were TDs that put us in the lead and then extended that lead. I mean that’s just clinical.

This is what I was talking about with my Wentz comment above, but the opposite. In big moments against good teams I saw Wentz falter, but it seems like in big moments against good teams we see Hurts step up. Reminds me how Wentz got stomped by the Saints only to watch Hurts shock them as a rookie. He just has that clutch gene that people don’t give him enough credit for.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This is what I was talking about with my Wentz comment above, but the opposite. In big moments against good teams I saw Wentz falter, but it seems like in big moments against good teams we see Hurts step up. Reminds me how Wentz got stomped by the Saints only to watch Hurts shock them as a rookie. He just has that clutch gene that people don’t give him enough credit for.

Completely agree! I don’t know how many game winning drives Hurts has but I don’t think it’s a lot. So I think people therefore perceive that he’s not clutch but he absolutely is in so many ways.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Completely agree! I don’t know how many game winning drives Hurts has but I don’t think it’s a lot. So I think people therefore perceive that he’s not clutch but he absolutely is in so many ways.

This year he only has two, but when the Eagles are down he steps up. When the Eagles are up and need a game sealing TD he provides it. It’s a killer instinct that doesn’t have the late game heroics other guys need to make. He gets it done sooner than the other guys. 

This thread should have been about Bradberry ... not Hurts

 

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

This thread should have been about Bradberry ... not Hurts

 

Maybe Bradberry has just been trying to get his own thread.

On 11/8/2023 at 8:15 AM, Mat said:

The whole Wentz situation was weird. We all laughed at the Browns when they said he wasn't a top 30 QB and down the track they were right, however it's easy to diminish how good he was so early in his career. Wentz was an elite QB for a period of time and was a huge reason they won their first SB even if he didn't play in the game itself. 

Hurts is a bit of a different beast, I thought after the playoffs (Bucs) that he had everything you wanted in a QB except for his arm and I wasn't sure if it would ever be much better than back up QB territory. He proved me wrong the very next season and has turned into the complete package. He is a natural leader and the way he carries himself off-field at his age is almost unheard of. They were really lucky to strike gold with Hurts just as Wentz fell into a free fall. 

 

The elephant in the room factor also has to be included that the pressure of the Eagles draft Hurts in the second round influenced the free fall of Wentz.  It pushed him over the edge when he let it get to him.  I think people forget but he came out looking great back to MVP form in the first half of week 1 against Washington in 2020.  Then he threw an interception at the end of the first half and he wasn't able to shake it off and kept playing like crap in the second half.  Then the Eagles activate Hurts to the active roster for week 2 and Wentz was just shook from the start.  Then every now and then they would bring in Hurts for some gimmick play and it would almost always be for some sort of gain or big play.  That got to Wentz, especially in the game against the Ravens when Hurts was the x factor.  

13 hours ago, time2rock said:

This thread should have been about Bradberry ... not Hurts

 

Then you’ll just have dopes around here telling you how good he was when he sucked. 😂

9 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The elephant in the room factor also has to be included that the pressure of the Eagles draft Hurts in the second round influenced the free fall of Wentz.  It pushed him over the edge when he let it get to him.  I think people forget but he came out looking great back to MVP form in the first half of week 1 against Washington in 2020.  Then he threw an interception at the end of the first half and he wasn't able to shake it off and kept playing like crap in the second half.  Then the Eagles activate Hurts to the active roster for week 2 and Wentz was just shook from the start.  Then every now and then they would bring in Hurts for some gimmick play and it would almost always be for some sort of gain or big play.  That got to Wentz, especially in the game against the Ravens when Hurts was the x factor.  

Meh.  I think the whole reason Hurts was drafted was because of Wentz's emotional fragility and poor leadership skills.  These weren't things that the fans could see and it wasn't widely reported so the Hurts pick came as a shock.  Clearly, the Hurts pick put Wentz over the edge, but if it wasn't Hurts it would have been something else.  Wentz was a ticking time bomb. 

On 11/9/2023 at 7:57 PM, Mortimer said:

That is a real bad look.

Not gonna lie. I thought after it happened that’s exactly how it would go. 

9 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The elephant in the room factor also has to be included that the pressure of the Eagles draft Hurts in the second round influenced the free fall of Wentz.  It pushed him over the edge when he let it get to him.  I think people forget but he came out looking great back to MVP form in the first half of week 1 against Washington in 2020.  Then he threw an interception at the end of the first half and he wasn't able to shake it off and kept playing like crap in the second half.  Then the Eagles activate Hurts to the active roster for week 2 and Wentz was just shook from the start.  Then every now and then they would bring in Hurts for some gimmick play and it would almost always be for some sort of gain or big play.  That got to Wentz, especially in the game against the Ravens when Hurts was the x factor.  

Do you recall the year prior Washington game? It was the reverse. He looked awful in the first half, but in the second half he came back and looked amazing and won it. There were other games in 2019 (late in 2019] also where he just couldn’t move the football, but I absolutely noticed how the 2020 Washington game was just like the 2019 game but in reverse. With that being the case if Hurts being drafted really was the issue that made Carson melt down then Howie did the right thing, because in the NFL you need a leader who knows how to handle adversity.