4 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Pick any QB and show me how they were incredible 4 years in a row.

Hurts at high 90s rating and 34 TDs did not have a bad year.

Nobody really cares about the years before the current one. I also don't think Jalen had a bad year. In fact, he was having his most efficient year statistically up until that game vs the chargers, but 5 turnovers, lumped into an otherwise good year took the frosting off it. The 4 INTs in that game brought his passer rating way down. We always like to say, "if you take away this bad thing, then everything was great." Right, Micah?

Unfortunately, all the games, good and bad, count. But I agree, overall, Hurts did not have a bad year statistically. But it was pretty obvious the offense was not carrying its weight this season and Jalen is not only the leader of the offense, he's the leader of the team. At the beginning of every season the last 3 years, he's on the short list of league MVP candidates. Despite having his best career passer rating 2/3 of the way through the season, he had fallen off all the MVP watch lists and wasn't even in the conversation. The reason is because the offense was struggling all year and being carried by the defense in the wins. In order to be the league MVP, you really have to be putting your team on your back and willing them to wins. I wouldn't even pick Hurts as the team MVP --- for that I would look to Quinyon Mitchell or Jordan Davis.

5 hours ago, SkippyX said:

When you put it in context of the O-line, OC-HC, and AJs mental issues, he actually did well.

His performance is also far better than the numbers (I would not be shocked if this unfocused and sloppy Siri Offense did not cost him another 8 TDs)

Hurts isn't the only QB in the league that had to deal with "issues" like you mention. I'm not going to go into detal because we are talking about Jalen Hurts, not those other guys.

5 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Anyone who thinks Hurts had run lanes up the middle with the drek at G C G on this O-line is just useless.

Did Hurts miss 20-25 throws this year? Sure. Every other QB missed that or more. Stafford probably wins MVP and he missed so many plays.

Did he have 10-12 times where he could have run and did not? Sure.

What we did see for sure was that his sack % has plummeted.

What we did see for sure is that an inferior athlete at QB gets humiliated in this 2025 offense (McKee)

So go ahead and believe your self delusion about some regression at age 27.

In years past, Jalen didn't hold on to the ball quite as long before bailing on a pass and deciding to run. I can show you clip after clip of times where he made the decision to run just 1 second too late and the results were devastating to the offense's ability to move the chains. We all know nobody is getting open that isn't already open whenever Hurts extends a play, looking downfield. If he rolls to the side, we all know he's throwing the ball away. That isn't Jalen's fault. He doesn't design the plays or run routes. But he needs to recognize that a few yards on a QB run is better than a loss of down with no gain. I do fault him for hesitating too long to take off running, because I know how good he can be there.

All QBs miss throws, miss open guys, make bad decisions, etc... every year. Fans tend to come down harder on their own team's players when they do these things. It isn't really fair, but it's reality. When the sack percentage goes down, part of that can be because of the QB, some because of the O-line and pass protection. So it's kind of weird to throw the O-line under the bus and then bring up that stat right after. McKee is a backup. Some fans think he's more valuable than a backup for some reason. But even a backup can make mistakes that starters make and can have a bad day out there. When it comes to "regression," that term kind of means something different to different people. I wouldn't use the term to describe Jalen based on my definition, but I would use it to describe the offense. Once again, Jalen played a part in that. The good news is KP will be the scapegoat for everybody's sins.

Finally, it's unimportant what people think about other QBs around the league. Whoever wins MVP this season absolutely deserves it and Jalen does not. It's okay if there are other QBs in the league that had bigger impacts for their teams. They aren't the guys I'm rooting for. It's also okay to want more from Jalen Hurts as the franchise QB on the team I do root for. If Jalen believes the philosophy he preaches, then maybe the critics here that get under your skin are much closer to being on the same page with Jalen than you are. It's something to think about.

Tired of Hurts playing uninspired football this year.

Not sure whether he can find the open receiver.

When the game is on the line, smart QBs don't throw into triple coverage.

Trade Jalen Hurts and, FIRE SIRIANNI!

7 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Amazing, really. If you look at the teams remaining in the playoffs, 3 out of 6 have QB’s on rookie contracts.

I think that in our lifetime, we will potentially see the QB position go the route of the RB position where teams stop dumping so much of the salary cap into one player. Once these guys get to that second big contract, the ability to put pieces around him becomes extremely difficult.

No way Brock Purdy deserved $181MM guaranteed.

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

16 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

I honestly think that is the way to move forward. You would reserve that large second deal only for a very special player. Too many times, these GM’s appear to panic because the QB may be a quality starter and may still have upside potential, but I would argue that if they aren’t special in 3-4 years, they probably aren’t going to be evolve into the franchise QB. Why pay $200MM guaranteed (which is about the going market now) for a quality starter? Now, I see the risk there. But if you have the salary space to keep the trenches full of difference makers, your odds are better at having a good football team.

Hurts didnt look great a times this year. I am pretty sure everyone on this thread agrees with that even the Hurts Homers (am I am probably by the standard in this thread viewed as a Hurts Homer so thats OK).

Stat picking tells both stories so no point in us walking in circles. Football is a team sport. No one is perfect. On offense this year they had alot of drops. Alot of penalties. All of those are not on Hurts. If those were half as much the Eagles win more games and are still in the playoffs and no one is talking about Hurts. Be honest.

If you watched any of the games or any of the good analysis online from real NFL pros its very obvious the issues with the offense as a whole was a combination of things but the core issue is clear as day: COACHING.

Play design, scheme, route combinations, playcalling. We all know these are the core issues.

Those are the root issue. They destroyed player confidence in the offense. Hurts included.

Fix the coaching problem in a sustainable way before doing radical stuff like ditching your Franchise QB when QBs are so Fing hard to replace and you have one that has PROVEN to play MVP level QB play in two Super Bowls and more often than not is big in the big moments. I don't see Josh Allen or Burrows or Jackson etc can even make that claim.
Getting rid of Hurts without fixing coaching first when he is going into his 6th season with this 5th coordinator is silly. Sorry.

I think I would get rid of a Coach before dumping a player. IMO, Hurts still has an untapped, upside in him. Just need the right Coach, scheme, play calling, etc., to get it fully out and on display consistently.

On 1/14/2026 at 3:32 PM, NOTW said:

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

I think they are one of the worst teams to try this. Their meddling useless moron of a head coach knows nothing.

He is 3-4 without Hurts so lets get more without Hurts?

Hurts makes up for so many of his failings. A Siri offense without Hurts is 2 weeks of Minshew in 2022 and McKee 2025.

Hurts was 15-2 with that team and replacement level+ Minshew was 0-2.

McKee was so bad he cost himself 15-25 million dollars.

Its insane that people don't get this.

Part of me wants them to trade Hurts and AJ to Minny or Indy so I can watch them compete for titles

Morons then get to see the 8-9 teams that they so desperately wanted in Philly.

Hurts is an elite efficiency passer: TD to INT ratio, TDs to turnovers, passer rating, next gen stats...

He also has the running ability to pressure a defense (if the OC is not brain dead) and to escape pressure

He is also the rarest of people on this planet, the high pressure QB who thrives in that pressure.

Foles was another one, Brady too.

Manning sure as hell was not. Marino and Kelly were not.

So Hurts has all of that. You go back to the draft grab bag and you are more likely to pull out Bobby Hoying, Andy Dalton, or Justin Fields.

A Goff or Darnold would suck here.

A Purdy would only be good when the OC was awesome and he stops Siri from meddling. You would see 7-10 instead of 11-5 in the off years.

Purdy would never be Hurts in the biggest games.

As bad as everything was last week, he still needed his WR to throw a TD and the refs to ignore holding.

Josh Allen had 29 TDs to 18 picks passing in 2023.

There was no cult of Trubisky or lets move on and draft clown society.

Getting the right QB1 is the hardest thing to find in football.

Why can’t he be our quarterback!?! Why can’t our quarterback turn the ball over four times( fumbled three times) and everyone else get blamed?

Seahawk just destroyedd the 49ers an put up 40 pts

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Why can’t he be our quarterback!?! Why can’t our quarterback turn the ball over four times( fumbled three times) and everyone else get blamed?

Hurts has way more talent around him for years. 2 #1 WR's and a top 5 TE. and can only manage a 150 yards a game through the air. Even against bad defenses. There's never been another offense like that in NFL.

On 1/17/2026 at 7:22 PM, LacesOut said:

I think I would get rid of a Coach before dumping a player. IMO, Hurts still has an untapped, upside in him. Just need the right Coach, scheme, play calling, etc., to get it fully out and on display consistently.

21 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Why can’t he be our quarterback!?! Why can’t our quarterback turn the ball over four times( fumbled three times) and everyone else get blamed?

17 hours ago, Swimm said:

Seahawk just destroyedd the 49ers an put up 40 pts

Hurts has way more talent around him for years. 2 #1 WR's and a top 5 TE. and can only manage a 150 yards a game through the air. Even against bad defenses. There's never been another offense like that in NFL.

Yeah Seahawks destroyed the 49ers. Look at what Darnold did. 124 yards passing 2 sacks and no rushing yards. Hurts would have been crucified on here for that.

Brown unfortunately has been a liability this year. Hopefully that changes.

As LacesOut says, it’s possible that Hurts could develop further. Look at what happened the last time he had a competent coordinator 2 years in a row. If the Eagles can get this hire right and somehow keep him for 2-3 years then it’s very possible we could see 2022 Hurts again.

On 1/15/2026 at 1:50 PM, proveagle said:

If you watched any of the games or any of the good analysis online from real NFL pros its very obvious the issues with the offense as a whole was a combination of things but the core issue is clear as day: COACHING.

Play design, scheme, route combinations, playcalling. We all know these are the core issues.

But how much of that design is because of Jalen's strengths/weaknesses and what he's comfortable doing or wants to do? I think we really need to include that in the discussion. You can look at all the OCs we've had under Sirianni and the offensive scheme just hasn't changed much from year to year. The only time we saw Hurts used differently was under Doug Pederson.

On 1/18/2026 at 10:47 AM, Swimm said:

Seahawk just destroyedd the 49ers an put up 40 pts

Hurts has way more talent around him for years. 2 #1 WR's and a top 5 TE. and can only manage a 150 yards a game through the air. Even against bad defenses. There's never been another offense like that in NFL.

Didn’t Josh have the leading rusher in football? Wasn’t all of his supposed real opponents gone? This is what I miss though. Didn’t he have Diggs at some point in his career? This is why we need this guy! That way we can make excuses and blame everyone but him for failures! Just like the old days with Wentz.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

But how much of that design is because of Jalen's strengths/weaknesses and what he's comfortable doing or wants to do? I think we really need to include that in the discussion. You can look at all the OCs we've had under Sirianni and the offensive scheme just hasn't changed much from year to year. The only time we saw Hurts used differently was under Doug Pederson.

I think the positive is that this year and the end of 2023 has been the only time the offense has been bad with Hurts since his breakout year.

It’s a great opportunity for whoever takes the OC job. They should be able to get this back to a top 10 offense with the talent (although we desperately need some reinforcements on the O-Line)

16 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I think the positive is that this year and the end of 2023 has been the only time the offense has been bad with Hurts since his breakout year.

It’s a great opportunity for whoever takes the OC job. They should be able to get this back to a top 10 offense with the talent (although we desperately need some reinforcements on the O-Line)

The offense in 2023 wasn't the problem and really didn't look bad. It ended up ranked 7th in points and 8th in yards. The defense in 2023 was terrible and kept putting the offense in bad situations late in games. We limited the turnovers since the 2023 season and had 1 really good year (2024) and then this season which was bad. The big difference between 2024 and 2025 was the decline in rushing. The offense was unable to make up for the deficiency by passing.

IMO, the biggest reason for the decline was player execution and it's stupid to try to find one player to point the finger at. There is a lot of criticism of the offense we run --- especially when we see a decline in production like we did. I believe it is fair to ask how much of the "system" this team has used is because of what Jalen can do or wants to do. I believe it works when the team execution is good, but there are more traditional concepts that we don't do that we see less talented teams have more success with. We should be asking why, with all the different OCs we've had, we are always doing the same thing with little to no change year after year.

On 1/17/2026 at 1:22 PM, LacesOut said:

I think I would get rid of a Coach before dumping a player. IMO, Hurts still has an untapped, upside in him. Just need the right Coach, scheme, play calling, etc., to get it fully out and on display consistently.

I don't think there's any untapped potential anymore but I definitely agree we need a coach that'll get the most out of him. Both the coach and Hurts need to stop being scared and take chances but I think that's a Nick thing so that'll probably still get pounded into the ground

Really I think it’s time to move on from Hurts. It’s time to get back to the quarterback throwing into triple coverage and the fans blaming the receivers for not being good enough again. I mean why can’t we have a quarterback who can have a five turnover level game in the post season and everyone but him be blamed again? Why can’t we have a guy who every season gets bounced in the first round and has gotten like three head coaches fired too? Who needs a guy who has been to 2 super bowls in four years? Let’s go give up our entire draft for Herbert I say! We need some of that one and done love all the time around here too. Who needs this Super Bowl or out the first round stuff anymore anyway?

Better still let’s just bring back Wentz. Who needs the playoffs at all?

On 1/14/2026 at 4:32 PM, NOTW said:

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

How could Howie justify letting his starting quarterback simply walk out the door for another rookie or a journeyman? I mean if you find a guy who takes them to a championship, that guy goes someplace else and leads them to a championship, the fan base, and the owner would be livid. Yes rookie contracts for quarterbacks is attractive and allows the team to build up the roster, but that’s a big ask to simply let that person walk out the door. I could see this being a thought if after the Eagles paid their quarterback, the team won just 6-9 games a season, but they’re winning 11 or more games a season. I mean let’s keep it real for a moment. If Josh Allen were the Eagles quarterback, you’re letting him walk out the door when you have to pay him? What in someone like Tanner McKee’s career so far makes you

believe the Eagles can win with him? When your team implodes like the Dolphins, or the Giants did then sure you can walk away from the quarterback and the coach for that matter, but changing a quarterback for change sake isn’t really a recipe for success. Consider the two greatest organizations over the past few decades basically had the same quarterback and coach.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

How could Howie justify letting his starting quarterback simply walk out the door for another rookie or a journeyman? I mean if you find a guy who takes them to a championship, that guy goes someplace else and leads them to a championship, the fan base, and the owner would be livid. Yes rookie contracts for quarterbacks is attractive and allows the team to build up the roster, but that’s a big ask to simply let that person walk out the door. I could see this being a thought if after the Eagles paid their quarterback, the team won just 6-9 games a season, but they’re winning 11 or more games a season. I mean let’s keep it real for a moment. If Josh Allen were the Eagles quarterback, you’re letting him walk out the door when you have to pay him? What in someone like Tanner McKee’s career so far makes you

believe the Eagles can win with him? When your team implodes like the Dolphins, or the Giants did then sure you can walk away from the quarterback and the coach for that matter, but changing a quarterback for change sake isn’t really a recipe for success. Consider the two greatest organizations over the past few decades basically had the same quarterback and coach.

"Simply walk out the door?" Huh? I'm talking future, once it's viable to trade Hurts. I'm not saying they should or will, it's just an idea of how the Eagles - and other teams - could keep QBs on rookie deals until they prove themselves rather than giving such high contracts. It's less about Hurts specifically and more about the QB position contracts.

Lurie also fired Doug after winning the organization's first SB, and traded away McNabb and Wentz. He's not afraid of big decisions.

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

"Simply walk out the door?" Huh? I'm talking future, once it's viable to trade Hurts. I'm not saying they should or will, it's just an idea of how the Eagles - and other teams - could keep QBs on rookie deals until they prove themselves rather than giving such high contracts. It's less about Hurts specifically and more about the QB position contracts.

Lurie also fired Doug after winning the organization's first SB, and traded away McNabb and Wentz. He's not afraid of big decisions.

I get the concept overall I do, but I don’t see how you trade/release/let walk out the door any quarterback that’s providing success. Making the wrong choice could set the franchise back for decades. I mean look at Cleveland and they haven’t found a quarterback yet despite signing them, drafting them, and trading for them. It’s a risky endeavor in my humble opinion.

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I get the concept overall I do, but I don’t see how you trade/release/let walk out the door any quarterback that’s providing success. Making the wrong choice could set the franchise back for decades. I mean look at Cleveland and they haven’t found a quarterback yet despite signing them, drafting them, and trading for them. It’s a risky endeavor in my humble opinion.

What you just described is EXACTLY why teams overpay for average QBs.

For Hurts specifically, it depends on next season and who they hire for OC. If Hurts has a bounce back year and the offense performs, of course he stays. But if he's regressed and the new OC doesn't appear to be the issue, he and Nick could both be gone. We'll see. Again, this is more general for the entire NFL. The SB starting QBs this year are Drake Maye and Sam Darnold. Who's at home? Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar...

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

What you just described is EXACTLY why teams overpay for average QBs.

For Hurts specifically, it depends on next season and who they hire for OC. If Hurts has a bounce back year and the offense performs, of course he stays. But if he's regressed and the new OC doesn't appear to be the issue, he and Nick could both be gone. We'll see. Again, this is more general for the entire NFL. The SB starting QBs this year are Drake Maye and Sam Darnold. Who's at home? Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar...

What are we on now on his 6th play caller in his professional career? How many quarterbacks are consistent or successful with that many coaching changes? Arguably Jalen’s best season came when he had consecutive years with the same OC. How the Eagles are going about this creates most of these issues. Coming off a SB victory you had the keys of this offense over to a guy completely in over his head. Even though he’s been in the building who on that offense really has any respect enough to listen to him? This constant change of playcallers to me is the biggest issue with this team. This is the downside of hiring Sirianni or these coaches who don’t call plays. I know you brought up who’s home right now, but can we be certain Darnold or Maye are mainstays? You know how this goes though. You get your guys to the SB and you’re going to get paid. Look what happened to Minny by letting Darnold walk. They went from a 14 win team to going with a rookie contract and journeyman quarterbacks leading up to 9 wins.

Just FYI - in 17 seasons Stafford has 1 SB win and 1 media narrative close team (who for some reason struggled vs the 8-9 team twice and was +2 points in the playoffs)

Stafford threw a bloop deep ball directly to Jaquiski Tartt in his previous NFCCG. It was dropped. Stafford choked but got very lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DOukhPHiE&t=2s

Brett Favre would look at that throw and ask Stafford what the hell he was doing.

Stafford had 9 turnover worthy plays in the 2025 playoffs.

• a pick vs Carolina

• 2 fumbles and 3 dropped picks vs Chicago

• 1 fumble and 2 dropped picks vs Seattle

He choked at the end vs Philly last year.

He was an interception drop and a taunting penalty away from being down 18 late in the NFCCG.

He had 2 picks in the Super Bowl but his D carried him.

Stafford is another QB who will never have what Hurts has in the big games.

Morons can pretend that Stafford is great and Hurts is limited. Their narrative doesn't change anything.

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

What are we on now on his 6th play caller in his professional career? How many quarterbacks are consistent or successful with that many coaching changes? Arguably Jalen’s best season came when he had consecutive years with the same OC. How the Eagles are going about this creates most of these issues. Coming off a SB victory you had the keys of this offense over to a guy completely in over his head. Even though he’s been in the building who on that offense really has any respect enough to listen to him? This constant change of playcallers to me is the biggest issue with this team. This is the downside of hiring Sirianni or these coaches who don’t call plays. I know you brought up who’s home right now, but can we be certain Darnold or Maye are mainstays? You know how this goes though. You get your guys to the SB and you’re going to get paid. Look what happened to Minny by letting Darnold walk. They went from a 14 win team to going with a rookie contract and journeyman quarterbacks leading up to 9 wins.

They don't even need to have all the changes to struggle.

Look at Stafford 2022-2024 - 22-18 record with a 91.8 passer rating as a career zero in the run game.

Look at Marino 1988-1989 14-18 record, 52 TDs to 45 picks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm

Look at Montana 82-83 and the 1985-87 playoffs.

Rivers was 60-68 as a starter from 2010-2017

Brees was 30-28 as a starter and replaced in San Diego.

Brees had 5 losing seasons in New Orleans.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard.