Kelce retiring has been anticipated for a while.  He already picked his replacement.  Before that, the LG was also considered as a potential C.  So the team has prepared for Kelce to move on with a solid succession plan.  Not much of a concern in that regard.  Only thing is that Kelce did not go oou on a high note.

On the other hand, the defense has been filled with vets who are on their last act.  The team has hit on some FA vet signing in recent seasons.  Plus keeping some of their own for extended service. Unfortunately, they seemed to fall off the cliff all at the same time and the young ones have been stepped up to fill the drop off.  There will be a lot of voids to fill in the off season and not likely they could fix all the problems in one off season.    

 

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If Sirianni survives this, the offense will likely be so much worse with Kelce retiring. 

Think things are going to get a lot worse before they get better too, and likely for awhile. 

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So the biggest thing to talk about with Jalen is whether the lack of motion, hot routes, under center plays and passes over the middle are him or the playcaller. Surely it’s a bit of both, but how much?

Unfortunately these aren’t things we will get the answer to, although it did leak from somewhere that Hurts wasn’t happy with the offense, particularly the short to middle passing game and passes over the middle.

How about a freaking screen pass early in the game to attempt to slow down the pass rush and make the defense think about not using all out blitz? They used the middle screen against KC and it worked.  Amazing a pro football team will not throw a screen.

Nick is a nice guy and got the team within three points of winning a Super Bowl but he has to go.  He has been exposed.  Like a picture of a 300 pound woman in a tiny bikini that you can't get out of your mind.

1 minute ago, Penn7980 said:

Kelce retiring has been anticipated for a while.  He already picked his replacement.  Before that, the LG was also considered as a potential C.  So the team has prepared for Kelce to move on with a solid succession plan.  Not much of a concern in that regard.  Only thing is that Kelce did not go oou on a high note.

On the other hand, the defense has been filled with vets who are on their last act.  The team has hit on some FA vet signing in recent seasons.  Plus keeping some of their own for extended service. Unfortunately, they seemed to fall off the cliff all at the same time and the young ones have been stepped up to fill the drop off.  There will be a lot of voids to fill in the off season and not likely they could fix all the problems in one off season.    

 

I can only speak for myself, but certainly don’t want to read positive thoughts around this. At least today. Yes we all knew it was gonna come, but this is a dark day for this organization in more ways than one. 

There are arguments to be made about giving Nick a year to fix things, and I wouldn't kick and scream if they ultimately did.

But, I just can't get past the thought of being one of the top teams to being completely non-competitive.

No hyperbole, I'm seriously not sure we would even beat CAR right now.

Someone posted a tweet last night with the Eagles ranked 31st and 32nd in every major category for the last 8 weeks.

I'm just not sure how you can run that back.

Jason Kelce had a first ballot hall of fame worthy career. He will be Missed. This is no surprise though, you could see by how emotional he was getting during the downfall, because he knew this was his last year. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Of course he won't. but more people need to be pushing Lurie on Howie's performance. His mid season trades on the whole stink, the bias against the LB and S positions is almost criminal and the bad contracts to over 30 players keep getting given out.  It's easy to hire new coaches and start the whole merry-go-round again, but at some point Jeff and Howie as the power couple need a lot more scrutiny.

Totally agree, ive never been a fan of slay, bradberry was great the year before but re signing him after the whole CJG circus seemed like a panic move.

Should have stuck to initial evaluation if there was one, better to let a guy go a year early than a year too late.

Packers had the youngest WR corp in the league along with a young QB and while rough to start they got better and better together which culminated in a dominant playoff win.I would have liked to have seen howie role with the young guys on D and build and develop something instead of mashing a bunch of over the hill vets together.

Getting ringo ricks sydney brown along with blankenship more snaps and letting them grow and gel together could have led to a different outcome this last month.

Guess theyll get their chance next year as I cant see slay bradberry roby and byard back, nor should they be back.

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

You know. For there being so many older people on this board, it sure does feel like the instant gratification generation has infected this place. I acknowledge that you said potential but geez, it feels like every rookie has to hit the ground running and every year has to be a Super Bowl year or deep playoff run for people not to be immediately fired into the sun these days.

In a lot of ways I almost feel like the Super Bowl win in 2018 and then the loss last year ruined the fanbase.

I think the issue is he's a 3rd round pick and he was inactive for something like 6 of the games. He comes to a team that has what everyone calls the best OL coach in the game and he can't even be a top reserve.

Cody Mauch was picked at 48 and he was starting for the Bucs last night and I saw him man handle Jalen Carter a few times. Steen was picked 17 picks after Mauch and is either inactive or can't sniff the field when lineman go down.

I'm not giving up on Steen because we all knew the Eagles OL was set for 2023 but you have to at least scratch your head a little bit.

10 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

You know. For there being so many older people on this board, it sure does feel like the instant gratification generation has infected this place. I acknowledge that you said potential but geez, it feels like every rookie has to hit the ground running and every year has to be a Super Bowl year or deep playoff run for people not to be immediately fired into the sun these days.

In a lot of ways I almost feel like the Super Bowl win in 2018 and then the loss last year ruined the fanbase.

It’s more so the fact he was inactive most games down the stretch and when he did play, looked out of place. 

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

There are arguments to be made about giving Nick a year to fix things, and I wouldn't kick and scream if they ultimately did.

But, I just can't get past the thought of being one of the top teams to being completely non-competitive.

No hyperbole, I'm seriously not sure we would even beat CAR right now.

Someone posted a tweet last night with the Eagles ranked 31st and 32nd in every major category for the last 8 weeks.

I'm just not sure how you can run that back.

The team shot their load on the gauntlet games. It sucked the life out of the team and they were never the same again.  No matter what they did, they were done.

Just now, bpac55 said:

I think the issue is he's a 3rd round pick and he was inactive for something like 6 of the games. He comes to a team that has what everyone calls the best OL coach in the game and he can't even be a top reserve.

Cody Mauch was picked at 48 and he was starting for the Bucs last night and I saw him man handle Jalen Carter a few times. Steen was picked 17 picks after Mauch and is either inactive or can't sniff the field when lineman go down.

I'm not giving up on Steen because we all knew the Eagles OL was set for 2023 but you have to at least scratch your head a little bit.

I think some of that is that they are very hesitant to give rookies playing time as a whole. 

2 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

There are arguments to be made about giving Nick a year to fix things, and I wouldn't kick and scream if they ultimately did.

But, I just can't get past the thought of being one of the top teams to being completely non-competitive.

No hyperbole, I'm seriously not sure we would even beat CAR right now.

Someone posted a tweet last night with the Eagles ranked 31st and 32nd in every major category for the last 8 weeks.

I'm just not sure how you can run that back.

Yeah you cant bring them back- The team had enough talent to compete, it all came down to heart and coaching. The coaching regressed, the team quit. The losses to San Fran and Dallas gutted the heart out of this team. 

If I am Jeff and Howie, I dont see how you can bring back Siri, Johnson, Desai or Patricia. There might be a few coaches you can keep.... but that number is small. 

 

12 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I didn’t think Kelce would announce this soon, regardless of which way he was gonna go. My most beloved Eagle of all time, truly a sad day for this team and this city. As if this day could have felt any worse for Eagle fans. 

It sucks to see confirmation but the writing was on the wall for Kelce. Still stings though, being that he was basically a living legend. The one bright side is that we did get to see him hoist the Lombardi which can't be said for other legends like Dawk, etc.

But aside from that, this might be the least upset I've ever been about a playoff loss ever. It just doesn't even register emotionally because it was so thoroughly unsurprising.

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Totally agree, ive never been a fan of slay, bradberry was great the year before but re signing him after the whole CJG circus seemed like a panic move.

Should have stuck to initial evaluation if there was one, better to let a guy go a year early than a year too late.

Packers had the youngest WR corp in the league along with a young QB and while rough to start they got better and better together which culminated in a dominant playoff win.I would have liked to have seen howie role with the young guys on D and build and develop something instead of mashing a bunch of over the hill vets together.

Getting ringo ricks sydney brown along with blankenship more snaps and letting them grow and gel together could have led to a different outcome this last month.

Guess theyll get their chance next year as I cant see slay bradberry roby and byard back, nor should they be back.

Agree. Ringo has a lot of growing to do, but playing snaps now will help his career later in the year. Bradberry offered little more than no arms or alligator tackles.

There one play yesterday where we actually schemed a player open (the big completion to Julio where he got concussed). That's it. The rest was all talent. This doesn't happen with other teams. We're not going to have all-pros at every position, so the offensive coaching staff must go.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It sucks to see confirmation but the writing was on the wall for Kelce. Still stings though, being that he was basically a living legend. The one bright side is that we did get to see him hoist the Lombardi which can't be said for other legends like Dawk, etc.

But aside from that, this might be the least upset I've ever been about a playoff loss ever. It just doesn't even register emotionally because it was so thoroughly unsurprising.

Today’s news is hitting way harder than last night did for me even though we knew it was coming sooner than later. 

If they won the Super Bowl last year and were in the same exact scenario where they are now this season going 1-6 to close and getting embarrassed in Tampa, does Nick still lose his job? 

Louis Riddick is ripping the front office on ESPN - basically saying they meddle too much

Starts with protecting Hurts , that didn’t happen , and receivers overall weren’t getting open … hard to win like that 

Just now, mikemack8 said:

Louis Riddick is ripping the front office on ESPN - basically saying they meddle too much

HAHAHA.

Wonder why! 

Just now, mikemack8 said:

Louis Riddick is ripping the front office on ESPN - basically saying they meddle too much

Good.  They've largely gotten away with the coaches and players taking all of the heat for issues over the years. 

Feels pretty good to not have to care anymore.

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Totally agree, ive never been a fan of slay, bradberry was great the year before but re signing him after the whole CJG circus seemed like a panic move.

Should have stuck to initial evaluation if there was one, better to let a guy go a year early than a year too late.

Packers had the youngest WR corp in the league along with a young QB and while rough to start they got better and better together which culminated in a dominant playoff win.I would have liked to have seen howie role with the young guys on D and build and develop something instead of mashing a bunch of over the hill vets together.

Getting ringo ricks sydney brown along with blankenship more snaps and letting them grow and gel together could have led to a different outcome this last month.

Guess theyll get their chance next year as I cant see slay bradberry roby and byard back, nor should they be back.

There's also Isaiah Rodgers, whatever that's worth.

Sirianni should get a couple years to fix this b/c he turned this team around in one season.

It's Howie who should get the bulk of responsibility, he didn't find a big back who can pass block (Penny was awful at blocking, which is why he didn't play), a 3rd WR, a 2nd TE who presented any sort of threat, and that travesty of a secondary (though injuries hurt). Better coaching could have made this team respectable, but not good. In fact, you could claim that good coaching hide a multitude of flaws early in the season before opposing teams had enough film to identify them. After that, there was no way to hide numerous players who should not have been starting.

The key to this offseason is easy, slash and burn, one step back to take two steps forward. Eat all the dead money this season, bring in a lot of draft picks and UDFAs, and hire a coaching staff that's good at teaching. Most players emerge in their 2nd and 3rd season after they learn the scheme, get used to NFL speed, and spend a couple offseasons in a NFL training program.

But they also need a new mindset, they have a passive defense designed for a slower veteran team that expects the offense to hand them a lead and pounce on QB mistakes. But in today's NFL, QBs can chew up soft zones, and LBs and safeties without speed and aggression are easy to run against. I watch other defenses and guys are flying to the ball carrier, I watch the Eagles and they're waiting to catch the runner. Even without Cox and Graham, they have enough depth on the DL, the back seven needs a big upgrade.

I don't think Hurts is the problem, he had something like an average of 2 seconds, only two legitimate targets, and a scheme that didn't get them wide open. Even when he had time, he had to make perfect throws. They need to dump the RPO, the league has caught up to it, and Hurts was hurt all season. They need to get an OC who has studied AR and Shanahan, and get more sophisticated than a college system. And they need weapons, not top weapons, just guys to fill the secondary roles at a competent level. I think Hurts would look much better if his 3rd and 4th WRs could get separation and catch the ball, if TE2 in the 12 formation could sneak out and make plays, if they had a big RB who could pick up blitzes instead of going with the empty backfield against blitzing teams.

 

 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

There one play yesterday where we actually schemed a player open (the big completion to Julio where he got concussed). That's it. The rest was all talent. This doesn't happen with other teams. We're not going to have all-pros at every position, so the offensive coaching staff must go.

We’ll find out if it’s coaching or not next season, but one of my concerns is that Hurts doesn’t make anyone around him better and doesn’t elevate his receivers. AJ and DeVonta are good receivers with 31 other quarterbacks. Goedert should have had a big year with those two guys operating on the outside and put up a dud.