5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Can he practice before officially signing?

No.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Can he practice before officially signing?

It's Howie just being Howie. He signed, but he'll wait to turn it into the league until the last possible second due to "competitive advantage" or whatever. It will get officially announced by 4 when today's roster moves are announced via the wire.

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I said our run scheme was not going to work and that’s why I was fine abandoning the run. We did not have a single successful run on 10 non-QB sneak run plays. Not a single friggin’ one.

I’ve been calling for more pistol. I like the pony package and jet sweeps. The run game is stale and needs to be revamped out of the shotgun.

Never abandon the run in the first quarter lol. 

20 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Cowboy Joe on here is more of an Eagles fan than you today.

I applaud consistency and self-awareness 😉 @Diehardfan

Nobody is saying they don't need to run. What I and I believe @ManuManu overall point is they failed at it early against SF and due to the flow of the game and situation, they found themselves in a quick hole when 49ers scored basically back to back TD's while our offense had 2 plays in between that Nick was fine giving up on. Once your down 21-6 in the 3rd, establishing the run isn't at the top of the priority list.

NEXT TIME, they need to do a better job with both success and establishing the run before the game starts to get out of hand. It's not that complicated. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

 

No, you didn't. You clearly asked how many short offensive drives dives that led to punts or non scores due to passing. After the fact you said there was multiple 3 and outs due to passing, which there weren't. 

At this point running it more of that game and ok with abandoning the run is not gonna change how people feel.

The overall thing that should be coming out of this is an Eagles passing offense is not consistent enough at the moment to be solely relied upon to beat a team of the ilk of 49ers. Frankly, I’m not sure they could beat Dallas in Dallas that way either.  so the eagles must get hurts playing more consistent like 2022 hurts, get the passing game on track for more then a quarter, half or a couple drives. And they need to figure out how to jump start their running game so that it’s consistent as well. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

 

No, you didn't. You clearly asked how many short offensive drives dives that led to punts or non scores due to passing. After the fact you said there was multiple 3 and outs due to passing, which there weren't. 

There were multiple 3 and outs and shorter, inefficient drives due to (in part) of becoming a one dimensional, easy to defend offense.  Their pass to run ratio was beyond lopsided.  Period.  Just because they "started out" running on 2 of those drives (a whopping 2 runs, LOL) does not dismiss the fact that they almost completely abandoned the run.   

 

And for the umpteenth time - it's about maintaining a ball control offense against a team like the 49ers when they are wearing your defense down with a myriad of 80+ TD drives.  Not sure what you don't get about that.  (Although I'm sure you do but are being stubborn for whatever reason. )

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

We should have ran on third and long just to prove a point. 

 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who doesn't love a good cowards draw?

They have done exactly that, especially early in the season in the red zone.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

There were multiple 3 and outs and shorter, inefficient drives due to (in part) of becoming a one dimensional, easy to defend offense.  Their pass to run ratio was beyond lopsided.  Period.  Just because they "started out" running on 2 of those drives (a whopping 2 runs, LOL) does not dismiss the fact that they almost completely abandoned the run.   

 

And for the umpteenth time - it's about maintaining a ball control offense against a team like the 49ers when they are wearing your defense down with a myriad of 80+ TD drives.  Not sure what you don't get about that.  (Although I'm sure you do but are being stubborn for whatever reason. )

I'm not being stubborn, I answered the specific question you specifically asked for whatever reason. 

There were no 3 and outs due to "just passing". There was only 2 all game, because the running plays didn't work and put them behind. Do you want them to run on 2nd and 3rd and long?

4 hours ago, RLC said:

I would have been fine with that throw, but it's not like Devonta is open when Jalen is in position to throw it. 

The best QBs throw the ball BEFORE the receiver is open, anticipating where the WR will be when he IS open, or better yet, can actually throw the receiver open based on where they place the ball.   

 

Hurts, as we've seen in the past with other QBs, isn't very good right now at trusting his WRs to get open and he's waiting to SEE them open before unleashing the ball... resulting in him holding the ball for extra time, which then forces him to leave the pocket because he's now given the pass rush extra time to get to him, or more often, just enough to make him uncomfortable... and then he bails the pocket and it becomes backyard football.  We need him to be much better about the timing of the offense and releasing the ball appropriately, not necessarily when the receiver is 'open'.  Plenty of times WRs are breaking open just when the ball should be released and there has to be trust there that the WR will be at the right place at the right time.  And I trust Smith to do that much more than Brown... Brown has proven a willingness to freelance, and it cost the team an interception recently, and perhaps that has caused Hurts to be a bit more gun shy about releasing early.   He needs to get over that, and Brown needs to run the right route.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not being stubborn, I answered the specific question you specifically asked for whatever reason. 

There were no 3 and outs due to "just passing". There was only 2 all game, because the running plays didn't work and put them behind. Do you want them to run on 2nd and 3rd and long?

You’re getting into specific play calls during games - which isn’t my point or anyone else’s.  The overall point was to have a more balanced attack, maintain a ball control offense, keep the offense on the field, the defense off the field and not to panic when we got down.  
 

Heck, if they were able to maintain TOP (after the 1st quarter) maintain control of the game by passing 95% of the time, I don’t think most would be complaining.  But that clearly did not happen. 
 

And I tend agree with your other post that they really needed to do a better job of establishing it during the 1st half because by the 2nd half, we were already down big and it’s a difficult task not to panic and start going pass heavy by that point.  
 

 

There's the move for Leonard 

Kind of a surprise. I think there's other fat to trim off the roster before Elliss. 

53 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Gross. If you get 50 for the Eagles it means you're a veteran LB being depended on to save a season and it's the only number we have left. It's happened before. 

Mark Suckanblow. 

I don’t end to get into a long discussion but I’m the 1st half the eagles were 4-10 for 14 total pass yards on 1st down. That’s 1.27 yards per pass attempt on 1st down. And before it got to 35-13 they were 5-11 for 29 total passing yards on first down which is 2.6 yards per attempt. They ran the ball on first down til it got to 35-13,  4 times for 7 yards so 1.75 yards per attempt. So running was bad on first down. But my point is throwing on first down wasn’t exactly putting them in great position for 2nd and 3rd down either.

i also agree with solak teams are defending them to throw the ball on first down and be exotic with their calls to confuse and limit the yardage cause they are in the mid 60% range (believe that’s what sheil said) this year on throwing it on first down. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's the move for Leonard 

Kind of a surprise. I think there's other fat to trim off the roster before Elliss. 

Wow - surprised they cut Elliss. Maybe he signs back to the PS if he clears waivers I guess. Good special teams guy.

Hopefully this means Cunningham is ready.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's the move for Leonard 

Kind of a surprise. I think there's other fat to trim off the roster before Elliss. 

Yeah like julio who contributes nothing. Frankly i somewhat agree with bo wulf take that the game against the niners doesn’t show that Ellis is great or anything but you could make the argument you’d get the similar production from him as compared to morrow and maybe he develops cause of it. Whereas morrow is what he is.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah like julio who contributes nothing. Frankly i somewhat agree with bo wulf take that the game against the niners doesn’t show that Ellis is great or anything but you could make the argument you’d get the similar production from him as compared to morrow and maybe he develops cause of it. Whereas morrow is what he is.  

Penny too. No one can convince me he would be claimed on waivers and not make it to the PS where he can just be inactive every game like he is on the 53. Julio can go too. So can Albert O or any of these other weird one year rental busts. 

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Nobody is saying they don't need to run. What I and I believe @ManuManu overall point is they failed at it early against SF and due to the flow of the game and situation, they found themselves in a quick hole when 49ers scored basically back to back TD's while our offense had 2 plays in between that Nick was fine giving up on. Once your down 21-6 in the 3rd, establishing the run isn't at the top of the priority list.

NEXT TIME, they need to do a better job with both success and establishing the run before the game starts to get out of hand. It's not that complicated. 

Yeah. When I say abandon the run I don’t mean literally never run again, but  there is very little reason to try to patiently establish it and achieve balance when the run game simply wasn’t working and you’re losing and you happen to be facing the most efficient offense in the NFL. 

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not being stubborn, I answered the specific question you specifically asked for whatever reason. 

There were no 3 and outs due to "just passing". There was only 2 all game, because the running plays didn't work and put them behind. Do you want them to run on 2nd and 3rd and long?

You must establish it. No matter what. 

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Wow - surprised they cut Elliss. Maybe he signs back to the PS if he clears waivers I guess. Good special teams guy.

Hopefully this means Cunningham is ready.

I think they assume he’ll make it back to the PS and he can be a ST call up. 

Hurts last season could do it all. Not sure why we’re seeing some type of drop. Could it be because he has a new QB coach and OC?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Penny too. No one can convince me he would be claimed on waivers and not make it to the PS where he can just be inactive every game like he is on the 53. Julio can go too. So can Albert O or any of these other weird one year rental busts. 

Only reason i can think with penny is they want an insurance policy if one of the top 3 gets hurt that knows the offense/system. Otherwise I’m with you. I don’t think he gets claimed. Then again i didn’t think Barnett would either. 

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Wow - surprised they cut Elliss. Maybe he signs back to the PS if he clears waivers I guess. Good special teams guy.

Hopefully this means Cunningham is ready.

They have VanSuperman on the roster now, so it makes some sense not to have both Elliss and him as ST only guys. Plus they can probably get Elliss back to the PS and call him up 3 times if they want, where as that option is over for VS. Still think there were better guys to whack though. 

Maybe that’s why it took so long for Leonard to sign. He wanted 53 and the Eagles had to cut Elliss to make it work but they needed him against SF. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Hurts last season could do it all. Not sure why we’re seeing some type of drop. Could it be because he has a new QB coach and OC?

Could be like josh Allen. He’s not as great as his best year of his career consistently. And he’s not as bad as his worst year. argument could be made jalen is somewhere in the middle of 2022 and 2021.