4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Are you really trying to tell me that this Cardinals line is this much better than the Eagles defensive front? You’re basically calling the majority of these guys JAGs, but these Cardinals are worse than that. There’s no excuse for why they got dominated that badly. That was a three win team. 

Again with the strawman. This defense has been crap most of the season. Sam Howell looked like an All Pro Twice. Mac Jones played his best game against us. Zach Wilson looked competent at times against us. They played 92 snaps against Buffalo because they couldn't get off the field. SF scored on 6 straight possessions while they were still 10-1. Are you suggesting they "quit" in all those games too? The defense has been undertalented and badly coached all season long. You're trying to isolate a season's worth of ineptitude into one game. Today's game was not isolated. It was just the latest chapter of an abysmal season performance.

 

And once again, YOU YOURSELF said they need viable LBs and safeties. YOU said that. You don't even know what you're arguing at this point.

2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Again with the strawman. This defense has been crap most of the season. Sam Howell looked like an All Pro Twice. Mac Jones played his best game against us. Zach Wilson looked competent at times against us. They played 92 snaps against Buffalo because they couldn't get off the field. SF scored on 6 straight possessions while they were still 10-1. Are you suggesting they "quit" in all those games too? The defense has been undertalented and badly coached all season long. You're trying to isolate a season's worth of ineptitude into one game. Today's game was not isolated. It was just the latest chapter of an abysmal season performance.

 

And once again, YOU YOURSELF said they need viable LBs and safeties. YOU said that. You don't even know what you're arguing at this point.

This team for the most part was good against the run, and they fell off. It’s a joke to act like it’s all on the players. These coaches are stinking up the joint! Guys no tackling!?! Guys making stupid penalties!?! Guys fumbling!?! It’s the whole team!!! No sacks!?! What has any of these coaches done to improve anything? 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

This team for the most part was good against the run, and they fell off. It’s a joke to act like it’s all on the players. These coaches are stinking up the joint! Guys no tackling!?! Guys making stupid penalties!?! Guys fumbling!?! It’s the whole team!!! No sacks!?! What has any of these coaches done to improve anything? 

For the umpteenth time...

 

I HAVEN'T ABSOLVED COACHING!

Do you understand that more than one thing can be true at the same time? The coaching sucks, AND the defense is badly undertalented. They were good against the run in part because it was so easy to pass all over us. You know, due to having no LBs and no secondary worth a damn? Now the once good run D is worn down because they're playing too many snaps, because they can't get themselves off the field, and there is no one on the once great D line to step up.

Oh, and the back 7 are still atrocious.

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

For the umpteenth time...

 

I HAVEN'T ABSOLVED COACHING!

Do you understand that more than one thing can be true at the same time? The coaching sucks, AND the defense is badly undertalented. They were good against the run in part because it was so easy to pass all over us. You know, due to having no LBs and no secondary worth a damn? Now the once good run D is worn down because they're playing too many snaps, because they can't get themselves off the field, and there is no one on the once great D line to step up.

Oh, and the back 7 are still atrocious.

First and foremost the coaching is the number one issue. No adjustments. Any kind of exotic blitzing? Desai was so bad the defensive backs took over coaching themselves. How pathetic is that? What was the actual game plan here? You want to talk about the back 7? I want to talk about this front line with all the money getting one measly sack, and allowing the friggin Cardinals to rush the ball 40 times and 220 yards. Meanwhile Sydney Brown is basically saying they’re not doing enough in practice. These guys don’t know how to tackle at ALL LEVELS! The back seven are atrocious? They all stink, and the entire coaching staff is completely clueless on how to fix it. Sirianni gets no pass from me, because I just watch his team get owned by a Cardinals team who has about three solid players. Their defense is worse as a whole than this Eagles one yet they at least got stops against the Eagles offense. This is a poorly coached football team despite the so called lack of talent and I don’t care how you try to slice it the Eagles talent in defense comparatively is better than the Cardinals, but it was fairly obvious which defense came in with a gameplan and which didn’t. Fire the coach! 

You’re arguing with yourself at this point. It’s a waste of time anymore. I guess I can strawman too.

 

You’re right Eazy. It’s coaching only. We have the 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs defenses all rolled into one. The only thing missing is coaching. You got it. No need for talent. We’ve got too much as it is. It’s unfair how overstocked with talent we have on defense. Completely shut down defense at all 3 levels, all being held back by a lack of a great defensive mind. 
 

Wow, strawmanning is kinda fun. 

44 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Again with the strawman. This defense has been crap most of the season. Sam Howell looked like an All Pro Twice. Mac Jones played his best game against us. Zach Wilson looked competent at times against us. They played 92 snaps against Buffalo because they couldn't get off the field. SF scored on 6 straight possessions while they were still 10-1. Are you suggesting they "quit" in all those games too? The defense has been undertalented and badly coached all season long. You're trying to isolate a season's worth of ineptitude into one game. Today's game was not isolated. It was just the latest chapter of an abysmal season performance.

 

And once again, YOU YOURSELF said they need viable LBs and safeties. YOU said that. You don't even know what you're arguing at this point.

The Patriots had 13 drives in that game and scored on three of them.  The Cards had 7 drives today and scored six times.  Not saying the defense was great earlier this season, but the stats won't tell the whole story about how far they've regressed because Patricia has turned bend but don't break into overdrive.  That means more plays and more time on the field - aka, the Chip Kelly method.

8 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

The Patriots had 13 drives in that game and scored on three of them.  The Cards had 7 drives today and scored six times.  Not saying the defense was great earlier this season, but the stats won't tell the whole story about how far they've regressed because Patricia has turned bend but don't break into overdrive.  That means more plays and more time on the field - aka, the Chip Kelly method.

There’s no doubt the defense has gotten significantly worse under Patricia and they’re playing against lesser talented teams to boot. Desai was bad, but there were several games he clearly made second half adjustments. Heck they shut out Miami in the second half. This team makes no second half adjustments. Heck I’m not really sure what the gameplan actually was. Bottom line is Gannon and his coaching staff out coached the Sirianni and his coaching staff. 

21 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

There’s no doubt the defense has gotten significantly worse under Patricia and they’re playing against lesser talented teams to boot. Desai was bad, but there were several games he clearly made second half adjustments. Heck they shut out Miami in the second half. This team makes no second half adjustments. Heck I’m not really sure what the gameplan actually was. Bottom line is Gannon and his coaching staff out coached the Sirianni and his coaching staff. 

They sure did and their less talented team was up for it today. They had nothing to play for and seemed to want it more. Today was a disgrace. Players are to blame too but it was a total crap show and has been for weeks. It's on Nick. 

 

37 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They sure did and their less talented team was up for it today. They had nothing to play for and seemed to want it more. Today was a disgrace. Players are to blame too but it was a total crap show and has been for weeks. It's on Nick. 

 

You can get away with blaming the talent level if they’re losing to great teams, but they just lost to a team with all kinds of injuries, nothing to play for, at the time three wins, and it happened on their own field. They came to play and the Eagles didn’t. They didn’t come with more talent. They came with a game plan and they out coached the Eagles on nearly every level. To try to blame this loss on talent is ridiculous. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

You can get away with blaming the talent level if they’re losing to great teams, but they just lost to a team with all kinds of injuries, nothing to play for, at the time three wins, and it happened on their own field. They came to play and the Eagles didn’t. They didn’t come with more talent. They came with a game plan and they out coached the Eagles on nearly every level. To try to blame this loss on talent is ridiculous. 

I completely agree with you on this one. This team has talent (mostly on offense) but they are badly coached and they aren’t well prepared for games. The game planning stinks. The scripted plays are awful. The play calling is laughable. The defense lacks talent but then is soft and also is badly coached.

I'm not quite ready to fire Sirianni yet, but that was disgustingly soft football in the second half. Such a lack of ambition. Good teams that are well coached don't give up 15pt leads at home to teams like the Cardinals. Great teams put their foot down and go on to crush their opponents. There is a real attitude and mentality problem here. They need to ask Mailata bout the great Aussie cricket teams and how they went about their business, or the great New Zealand All Blacks teams.

The Eagles problems aren't to do with talent - some excellent players on offense, a sprinkling of good ones on defense, ace kicker, good punter. In terms of talent, they have a roster better than much of the league. But talent that doesn't work hard enough or fight hard enough will never be good enough. I could forgive the defeats to SF (quality team) and even Dallas (nobody beats them at home these days). But last night was embarrassing, and the problem is in between their ears.

1 hour ago, kiwinavega said:

sprinkling of good ones on defense

Are there? I mean I’m not so sure there are. Carter is really good but he’s a rookie and may have hit a wall. Cox has been decent. Other than that this is a very bad defense.

Slay is good but injured. Reddick. Cox. Blankenship shows promise. That's without thinking  too much.

I’m on the fence about firing Sirianni.  On one hand, he’s made the playoffs each season and went to a SB.  On the other hand, the NFL has easily caught up to his offensive "scheme” and he has no counters.  He just does the same crap game after game and the design of the offense is significantly lackluster.  
 

They caught lightning in a bottle last year, just as Pederson did in 2017.  But, the main difference here is the offense still has really good talent in their prime.  There is a good argument for bringing in a better offensive mind to utilize our talent while we still have it.  Or stick with Siri and likely watch this same mess next season.  I’m not confident that Siri has the offensive chops to design anything better than what we’ve seen.

All that said, it would be a bold move for the Eagles to fire Siri at this juncture.  

There is only 2 ways Nick gets fired

1- He lost complete control over this team. The team lost all faith in Nick, his process and no possibility of getting it back

2- The Dougie P effect- FO gives Nick the facts that his staffs lack of success and ownership will not be accepted. Nick will be forced to let BJ and Patricia go and FO will help select a new staff. Nick does not take this well and refuses. 

Nick seams like a "yes" sir kind of guy so I don't see option 2 playing a role. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Are there? I mean I’m not so sure there are. Carter is really good but he’s a rookie and may have hit a wall. Cox has been decent. Other than that this is a very bad defense.

Which is the exact thing I’ve been saying in this thread. Two things can be true at one time.  Not sure why some struggle with that concept. 

They aren't firing Sirianni, that's how bad organisations operate firing the coach at the first sign of adversity, especially coming off a SB appearance the previous year. History has shown that the team that has lost the SB has struggled the following season for whatever reason. Only the 1971 Dallas Cowboys, 1972 Miami Dolphins, and 2018 New England Patriots have followed up a Super Bowl defeat with a Super Bowl win the following season.

11 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Is the Cardinals that much better? Is the Cardinals offensive players that much better? Is the Cardinals offensive line that much better than our defensive line? Let’s stop making excuses for them. They quit.

They were good enough to beat the Cowboys when they had Josh Dobbs at QB earlier in the season. The D is a complete basket case, but the Cardinals have been playing teams tough. They lost to the Ravens 31 to 24 and their other wins were against the Falcons and Steelers. This is still a game a great team not only should have won, but should have won by 20ish points. The D was pathetic in the 2nd half and completely collapsed. 

3 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

There is only 2 ways Nick gets fired

1- He lost complete control over this team. The team lost all faith in Nick, his process and no possibility of getting it back

2- The Dougie P effect- FO gives Nick the facts that his staffs lack of success and ownership will not be accepted. Nick will be forced to let BJ and Patricia go and FO will help select a new staff. Nick does not take this well and refuses. 

Nick seams like a "yes" sir kind of guy so I don't see option 2 playing a role. 

Good points. I believe there’s something going on behind the scenes. The way this team is just giving up. You would think the vets like Kelce, Johnson, Cox and Graham would step up and show some leadership, call a team meeting or do something. 

We know Brown and Smith have been pissed, Hurts looks miserable, even Kelce seems pissed off but no one is talking. Seems like Nick lost the team. 

19 hours ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

lmao they're not gonna fire a coach that was just in the super bowl with the team having a winning record. what lurie needs to do is fire both coordinators and gut the staffs

 

They fired a coach who actually won the super bowl, so I don't see why not. 

And replace him with who?  These types of threads are always kinda useless when you're just yelling at the clouds without throwing out any names as potential replacements.  

Hope y'all are ready for Jedd Fisch to be the next HC.  Because that's probably the first guy Howie calls if Sirianni gets canned

12 hours ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

The Patriots had 13 drives in that game and scored on three of them.  The Cards had 7 drives today and scored six times.  Not saying the defense was great earlier this season, but the stats won't tell the whole story about how far they've regressed because Patricia has turned bend but don't break into overdrive.  That means more plays and more time on the field - aka, the Chip Kelly method.

Yeah but you're also ignoring injuries that occurred during the season. They've lost players at the db and lb position since then and the defense has just gotten worse. I agree that the defense needs to be more aggressive, but I can't overlook that we have LBs playing that should be on the practice squad, lol. I could go on a rant about the offense (which is decent imo, but should be better) but the main problem with this team is defense. We aren't beating anyone when they allow teams to go without punting all game. 

26 minutes ago, Gannan said:

They fired a coach who actually won the super bowl, so I don't see why not. 

Yeah, because he wouldn't be a yes man. Nick is OK being that guy, so maybe he should be fired? I think it's pointless though because they'll just hire another HC they can tell what to do, and we'll all still be unhappy

57 minutes ago, Macho Grande said:

And replace him with who?  These types of threads are always kinda useless when you're just yelling at the clouds without throwing out any names as potential replacements.  

Hope y'all are ready for Jedd Fisch to be the next HC.  Because that's probably the first guy Howie calls if Sirianni gets canned

First, it's not fan's job to know the up and coming coaches in the league. Nevertheless, lots of fans over the years cite various coordinators and position coaches they like.

Second, Lurie hires coordinators and position coaches, and the one college coach experiment failed I don't see him doing that again.

Siri won't be fired, unless he's completely lost the team and the players complain to Lurie.

But if he were, they'd do what they always do: interview coordinators and position coaches from around the league. 

I'm kinda hesitant on the whole "blame the coach, fire the coach" stuff.

This team is 27-9 the past two years, including a Superbowl trip and a competitive Superbowl performance, albeit a loss, under Sirianni. His offense is well suited to Jalen Hurts, who set records in the Superbowl and this season.

Then we have this "lost the lockeroom" nonsense, which makes it sound like the players are intentionally losing so the coach gets fired. It's suddenly his fault the players can't tackle, can't cover, can't pressure the other team's QB?

The most likely explanation is that the team is simply fatigued and Sirianni has gotten all he can out of them. It's nobody's fault. They've played several top-tier football teams the past few weeks. They are simply out of gas and their opponents are taking advantage of that.

 

20 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Why, why, why do fans like you throw out old washed up coaches as the only option to hire as a head coach? 

First, it's not fan's job to know the up and coming coaches in the league. Nevertheless, lots of fans over the years cite various coordinators and position coaches they like.

Second, you clearly don't pay attention to your own team. Lurie has never hired a previous NFL head coach. He's hired coordinators and position coach, and college coach experiment.

You might wanna do some more research there buddy.  Jedd Fisch has never been an NFL head coach.  He has served in various assistant/position coach roles with several NFL teams, but never been HC.  His current gig at University of Arizona is the only time he has been hired as a full time head coach. 

Fisch and Roseman were frat brothers and roommates in college during their time at Florida.  So the familiarity is there.  And he's a hot name in the college ranks this year after resurrecting Arizona's football program after only a few short years.  The idea of him being our next coach isn't as far-fetched as some might think it is.