If they lose in the first round to Tampa that would pretty much cement the fact that the team has quit on the coach and it would be time to move on. I'd rather move on "a year too early" than be the Chargers and do it a year too late. If we see signs of fight from the team the rest of the way though and they show they haven't quit on Siri than he should get another year. Regardless, they cannot come back with the two coordinators. Both hires and Patricia has been an epic failure.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

If they lose in the first round to Tampa that would pretty much cement the fact that the team has quit on the coach and it would be time to move on. I'd rather move on "a year too early" than be the Chargers and do it a year too late. If we see signs of fight from the team the rest of the way though and they show they haven't quit on Siri than he should get another year. Regardless, they cannot come back with the two coordinators. Both hires and Patricia has been an epic failure.

 I agree 100%, if Lurie believes he's lost the team, plus Kelce one of the teams leaders is retiring, dude is fired, no doubt. 

 The idea that their record will save him is wrong, they're an analytics based team, meaning the numbers go in with Elliots 59 yard FG, plus the chances Rivera doesn't go for 2, and Lurie's son who leads that department tells dad they're really a 9 win team.  

 What would suck though, Kelce retires only to go play with his bro in KC next season if Humphrey gets injured.  

1 hour ago, The Blackfish said:

I agree 100%, if Lurie believes he's lost the team, plus Kelce one of the teams leaders is retiring, dude is fired, no doubt. 

I’m not sure Lurie is going to fire a HC who a year ago got to the SB and has made the play offs 3 years in a row.

Things need to change but I think Sirianni is going to be given the chance to do that. Like Doug he’ll get a year to correct the coaching issues and if he doesn’t then he’ll be gone.

8 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

Honest question, has Nick Sirianni shown that he does one thing well as a head coach? Most head coaches around the league you can point to something they do well, Shannahan, McVay, and McCarthy all can call plays. Tomlin, Harbaugh, and Carrol always have well coached teams. 
 

What does Nick do? Last year he had two coordinators that are now head coaches. He is Mike Vraebel without the playing experience. 

 

8 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

Honest question, has Nick Sirianni shown that he does one thing well as a head coach? Most head coaches around the league you can point to something they do well, Shannahan, McVay, and McCarthy all can call plays. Tomlin, Harbaugh, and Carrol always have well coached teams. 
 

What does Nick do? Last year he had two coordinators that are now head coaches. He is Mike Vraebel without the playing experience. 

MM you now quoting Emmanuel Acho at me 😂? If so let me quote Shady. He wins football games. 

He’s just come off a Super Bowl appearance and we are currently 11-5. You don’t sack a coach for that. Yes he has to take a big share of blame for this implosion but so do the OC and DC, Roseman and the players. 

This board has now decided that Gannon is good? (He actually is). Most of the board have been calling him a bum for most of the last year.

I’ve seen too many hot takes around here for too long. (McNabb sucks, Foles must be benched for playoffs, Carson Strong is better than Hurts)

Siri deserves a chance to turn this around. Super Bowl hangovers are real - look at the Chiefs. 

 

22 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

MM you now quoting Emmanuel Acho at me 😂? If so let me quote Shady. He wins football games. 

He’s just come off a Super Bowl appearance and we are currently 11-5. You don’t sack a coach for that. Yes he has to take a big share of blame for this implosion but so do the OC and DC, Roseman and the players. 

This board has now decided that Gannon is good? (He actually is). Most of the board have been calling him a bum for most of the last year.

I’ve seen too many hot takes around here for too long. (McNabb sucks, Foles must be benched for playoffs, Carson Strong is better than Hurts)

Siri deserves a chance to turn this around. Super Bowl hangovers are real - look at the Chiefs. 

 

Gannon is good compared to what we've had to endure this season, that is clear.

He still cost us the superbowl though

7 hours ago, T-1000 said:

If they lose in the first round to Tampa that would pretty much cement the fact that the team has quit on the coach and it would be time to move on. I'd rather move on "a year too early" than be the Chargers and do it a year too late. If we see signs of fight from the team the rest of the way though and they show they haven't quit on Siri than he should get another year. Regardless, they cannot come back with the two coordinators. Both hires and Patricia has been an epic failure.

not to mention bring all the coaches back means getting rid of players and we did that twice with andy and chip here and we ended up back picking at the top of the draft, we cant keep defending coaches over players, it's a recipe for disaster. not to mention it's hard enough to get talent especially at receiver, it took us 17 years.

On 12/31/2023 at 10:19 PM, NOTW said:

He is so completely clueless ... it's completely baffling how he managed to lead this team to 10-1 before the wheels fell off.  

3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

MM you now quoting Emmanuel Acho at me 😂? If so let me quote Shady. He wins football games. 

He’s just come off a Super Bowl appearance and we are currently 11-5. You don’t sack a coach for that. Yes he has to take a big share of blame for this implosion but so do the OC and DC, Roseman and the players. 

This board has now decided that Gannon is good? (He actually is). Most of the board have been calling him a bum for most of the last year.

I’ve seen too many hot takes around here for too long. (McNabb sucks, Foles must be benched for playoffs, Carson Strong is better than Hurts)

Siri deserves a chance to turn this around. Super Bowl hangovers are real - look at the Chiefs. 

 

I don’t watch Speak so I wasn’t quoting Acho. I’ll remind you that Doug got fired a couple years after winning the franchise’s first SB. I wasn’t a fan of Gannon (or Schwartz) for that matter. But they both have left and had some success.

The question still remains, what is Nick’s calling card? He obviously doesn’t have the balls or ability to take over play calling for either side of the ball. Instead, he threw the one coordinator with the least amount of talent under the bus but allows Brian Johnson to fail week after week with top 3 talent. 

I’m not wasting another year of our very talented roster because Siri "deserves” another year.

He can’t coach, he is completely dependent on his coordinators for everything.

37 minutes ago, MagicMoment said:

I don’t watch Speak so I wasn’t quoting Acho. I’ll remind you that Doug got fired a couple years after winning the franchise’s first SB. I wasn’t a fan of Gannon (or Schwartz) for that matter. But they both have left and had some success.

The question still remains, what is Nick’s calling card? He obviously doesn’t have the balls or ability to take over play calling for either side of the ball. Instead, he threw the one coordinator with the least amount of talent under the bus but allows Brian Johnson to fail week after week with top 3 talent. 

Fair enough, but it should depress you to know that Acho said exactly the same!

Doug was fired 3 full years after his Super Bowl. Siri isn’t going to be fired after one, particularly after winning 11 games.

Fail week after week is strong. The offense has generally been pretty good. Not as good as it should be I grant you but still good. BJ is likely to get the can.

Siri will get at least another year to turn this around 

One thing is for sure, it's going to be a much more interesting off season then last year.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Fair enough, but it should depress you to know that Acho said exactly the same!

Doug was fired 3 full years after his Super Bowl. Siri isn’t going to be fired after one, particularly after winning 11 games.

Fail week after week is strong. The offense has generally been pretty good. Not as good as it should be I grant you but still good. BJ is likely to get the can.

Siri will get at least another year to turn this around 

Watch they fire BJ and then promote from within again, someone like Patullo or Tanney and we see more of the same.  The offense may not have been as bad as many make it out to be but no doubt it was a big issue all season (not sure how you can classify it as generally good when we were averaging 7 first half points for a good chunk of the season).  

Sirianni's best bet to turn this around (and not get canned in a year or 2) is to hire 2 new coordinators ... both need to have a wealth of experience in running their respective units and have creative minds on how to use the talent they have at their disposal.  And he needs to let them run whatever scheme they are strong in running and not dictate the scheme like he supposedly did with Gannon and Desai.

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

He is so completely clueless ... it's completely baffling how he managed to lead this team to 10-1 before the wheels fell off.  

Hurts made just enough plays. This guys is one of the worst head coaches we've ever had, and that's really saying something. 

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Watch they fire BJ and then promote from within again, someone like Patullo or Tanney and we see more of the same.  The offense may not have been as bad as many make it out to be but no doubt it was a big issue all season (not sure how you can classify it as generally good when we were averaging 7 first half points for a good chunk of the season).  

Sirianni's best bet to turn this around (and not get canned in a year or 2) is to hire 2 new coordinators ... both need to have a wealth of experience in running their respective units and have creative minds on how to use the talent they have at their disposal.  

I would call it generally good because they are 8th in yards and 7th in points and that’s with a defense who can’t get off the field.

Having said that this should be a top 5 unit and I’m not blind on the playcalling. It’s mostly as good as it is due to the talent.

Agreed completely on coordinators. I personally think Reich makes sense. Feel like he is one of these guys who is a good OC but not a good HC. 

I actually hate feeling like we are in a position to consider the thought: "Sirianni should/will get another year to turn it around".  Yes, he has been to the playoffs all 3 years and the SB last year, etc.

But man, the more I think about it the more I just don't think Sirianni is a good offensive mind/play designer.  He hasn't shown that he can adapt or counter.  There is some serious disconnect between him, BJ, Hurts and the entire offense.  He just seems to think he can run the same plays over and over again and that they'll work simply because of the talent level on offense.  And if that's his actual mindset, that is a huge problem. 

Furthermore, the philosophy he demands from his DC...limit explosive plays, mainly...may be actually hindering any defensive progress or creativity from any DC.  Our defense, under Siri's philosophy, has been mostly a passive defense rather than an aggressive one.  Defense's need to have an aggressive mentality...that's how they thrive.  

Going into next season with Siri and BJ on offense...and whomever as DC...would be a huge risk in wasting another year of the offensive talent's prime.  If...and it's a big IF...they hire experienced coordinators to maximize talent...maybe.  But if that's the road they take and we hope that it works, what does that say about Siri anyway?  Is he just a rah-rah guy?  What does he do, exactly?

At the same time, the grass isn't always greener.  That's what makes this a really difficult decision that will loom.  I have never been a fan that has knee-jerk reactions and wants the HC fired, etc.  I was in on Andy Reid until his last season with the team.  I backed Doug P, etc.  I've always been luke-warm on Siri.  He has some traits I like, but too often he seems like the meathead type that he likes to run his mouth, be boastful, etc, but lacks in IQ when it comes to the more nitty-gritty things.  

I lean more towards firing him at this juncture.  Barring a complete 180 in the playoffs, I haven't seen anything that inspires confidence that he is capable of fixing the problems.  And we will be gambling with the primes of several offensive players that are good enough to win a championship.

8 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I’m not sure Lurie is going to fire a HC who a year ago got to the SB and has made the play offs 3 years in a row.

Things need to change but I think Sirianni is going to be given the chance to do that. Like Doug he’ll get a year to correct the coaching issues and if he doesn’t then he’ll be gone.

You're probably right, but this is one of the most epic implosions of an Eagles team ever...I think THE worst I've seen in my 43 years of being a fan.  If they keep Siriani around he needs to be on a short leash and bring in all new coordinators.  He also needs to lose his ability to design the offense.  They also need to be sure that the team will get behind him in 2024. I'm not convinced that he isn't the problem in that locker room.  

We need to hire OC and DC this offseason. Turnover some of the other coaches. Coordinators need to be up and coming. Or head coach retreads that can hold the coordinator slot down. Not enough coaching talent. The team is lacking in fundamentals and sometimes runs a Pop Warner QB run first offense. 

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

You're probably right, but this is one of the most epic implosions of an Eagles team ever...I think THE worst I've seen in my 43 years of being a fan.  If they keep Siriani around he needs to be on a short leash and bring in all new coordinators.  He also needs to lose his ability to design the offense.  They also need to be sure that the team will get behind him in 2024. I'm not convinced that he isn't the problem in that locker room.  

Oh I completely agree. The collapse of this team has been shocking and they show no signs of turning it around. They look broken and they look like they’ve quit. But that can change if Sirianni recognises his failings and makes wholesale changes. But it needs to be changes to the coaches and to bring in fresh ideas.

6 hours ago, time2rock said:

He is so completely clueless ... it's completely baffling how he managed to lead this team to 10-1 before the wheels fell off.  

Bailed out by the talent on offense.

I don't know how the coaches can be so stupid.  If everyone else from announcers, fans and media can see the obvious things wrong and obvious things to fix, why can't they?  It's really bizarre.

So do we try to replace him with Brian Schottenheimer or Dan Quinn after the cowpies win the SB? 

7 hours ago, time2rock said:

He is so completely clueless ... it's completely baffling how he managed to lead this team to 10-1 before the wheels fell off.  

Pretty simple, Hurts carried his ass, but he could only sustain for so long with such **** coaching. 

What Siranni, Johnson and Patricia have done this team is beyond negligent. 

19 hours ago, opa-opa said:

No one would be asking for Nicks head if we didnt overachieve and got lucky to get to 10-1. 

If we started 7-4 for example and ended up 11-6 people would be singing his praises.

Since when did firing someone for over-achieving become a thing? If I over-achieve, I deserve a raise, not my papers

18 hours ago, pisceschica said:

I want a serious answer to this question ^

Having a coach like those bolded creates more stability throughout the years as coordinators come and go. If there is a serious drop off due to an OC/DC like what was experienced with the offense this year what exactly does Sirianni do for the team from a pure football standpoint?

OK, I'll bite here. For his first two years, he showed resolve and character and skill. He took what is a very high profile job, with relatively low experience, and showed that with the right people around him he can put the team in a place to succeed. He got Jalen Hurts playing to an elite level. He got the most out of the players he had. He made the playoffs his first year, the SB in year two. He got a struggling team to a position where, until last week, they were fighting for the one seed. He did this with a backdrop of losing his two most important staff. A leader needs lieutenants he can trust and lean on.

I am not excusing the recent implosion, far from it. I said a few weeks ago that a team in the NFL cannot reach 10-1 on luck alone. You get there because you deserve it and you earn it. At the present time, I am also going to say the obverse is true. You don't slump like the Eagles have unless you deserve to, and have earned it. He needs to improve. He neds better co-ordinators and he needs to make better decisions and show stronger leadership. To use a favourite phrase of TATE - this offseason is the REAL test. And I believe that. He's shown enough over almost three seasons that the potential is there. Now he has to prove it.

7 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

I’m not wasting another year of our very talented roster because Siri "deserves” another year.

He can’t coach, he is completely dependent on his coordinators for everything.

This is a MYTH. This is why people are so damn stupid right now. Seriously, I have never in the 2000's seen a more ridiculous standard for coaches by Eagle fans. Our roster is INCOMPLETE. The back end on defense is slow and aging, and our linebackers are just lacking. Our OL has two members that might not be here longer than THIS year.

This team is NOT the 2022 team. And I feel like everyone knew that right up until Jalen Carter came into the season looking like a monster and we won some games.

EVERY coach we've had since 2000 has had some middling years because he lost coaches BESIDES Chip Kelly, who never got to the point where people really wanted his coaches. Like FFS.

Like if this is honestly how the fanbase is going to be, we should absolutely refuse to hire young coaches as head coaches. Because young coaches have less cards to use and thus if their primary plans don't work, they have less answers. And last but not least, if you're scrambling to fix the problem, the list of Super Bowl winning head coaches who were rookies is basically non-existent, so the earliest time that's even remotely reasonable (but also pretty unlikely) to win a Super Bowl is the 2025 season. Is that early enough for you? Because by that time most of what you consider the 'talented' part of the roster won't be here anyway.

No head coach that's actually worth a damn, who's expected to be worth a damn, will want to come to Philadelphia with the track record of:

• The Eagles got their only SB win under Doug Pederson then as soon as he had a bad year decided to fire him.
• The Eagles got to the SB under Nick Sirianni, their only coach to make the playoffs in all 3 of his seasons ever, but fired him after an 11 win season.

People are basically saying they want a 'do it all' guy like Shanahan who's both really good with players and really good with scheme. But unless we find them under a Fing rock, where no one else wants them, why the F would they want to come to Philadelphia of all places under these circumstances if they can choose?