11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Just watch film of van ginkel last year if you want to know exactly what his role in this defense will be if he develops. 

Correct.

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After they re-signed him as a free agent in the offseason, the Dolphins decided to give him a look at inside linebacker with the idea of beefing up their depth at the position.

Little did anyone expect that it would be Van Ginkel, and not David Long Jr., who would get the bulk of the snaps at inside linebacker alongside Jerome Baker in the victory against the Los Angeles at SoFi Stadium on Sunday.

And defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said Thursday this was merit-based.

Van Ginkel played 51 snaps, while Long played only 17.

"Well, we moved in there, tried him out there, as you guys know, starting in OTAs and training camp and felt that throughout that whole process, he kind of won the job on merit," Fangio said. "So he's been doing a good job in there and we expect him to continue to get better. Doesn't mean that the other guys David and Duke (Riley) can't get in there some also. It was just a job earned over time."

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/miami-dolphins-lb-van-ginkel-works-his-way-to-key-role-on-defense
 

 

Now obviously Hunt is a raw rookie from a small school and almost certainly will not win a starting job this season.

But as a role player in a sub package? As he develops? Yeah, I expect him to be playing all over the defense and inside linebacker is a prime spot for him, just as it was with Van Ginkel.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

 

 

What a cancer

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Think Zech Mcphearson has any shot whatsoever to make the 53? Everyone is analyzing the CB position and he isn't even being listed. I just assume he's gone, but I'm curious if there's anyone out there who thinks the guy may have a spot on the team.

Practice squad.

Slay, Mitchell, DeJean, and Ringo are locks. Maddox and Rodgers have versatility. Think if it came down to Zech vs. Ricks they'd choose Ricks. Hall is a wild card. Bradberry, who the hell knows.

I guess if they consider either DeJean or Maddox a safety too, the numbers could shift.

30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We're keeping 10 DBs most likely 6 at CB and 4 at S, or 9 at the very least with just 5 CBs and one or two S splitting time in the slot. So that means we've got some pretty safe bets in Slay, Mitch, DeJean, Ghost, CJGJ, Bradberry, Ringo. Maybe one between Maddox and Brown depending on what they have in mind for DeJean. Everyone else is on the bubble.

Bradberry is more likely to be cut than make the roster in my view.

6 minutes ago, McMVP said:

What a cancer

He was born on June 30 🤣

We can all take a bow.

 

To me it's pretty obvious Bradberry will be gone by training camp. He'll either get traded for peanuts or be cut post-June 1.

I guess Howie is waiting to see the rookies to make sure that's the right decision. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We can all take a bow.

 

Wait. I thought we were a home field DISadvantage and the players hate us and want to play anywhere but Philly? I'm so confused. 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We can all take a bow.

 

Thank you for your service.

Bradberry was put on notice the instant they drafted Quinyon Mitchell. 

Ringo isn't going anywhere.  He played well on special teams and didn't look bad at all when they gave him snaps. 

Wouldn't be surprised if they ultimately went with Slay/Mitchell/Rodgers/Ringo/Ricks/Jobe.  Go CJGJ/Blankenship/DeJean/Brown at safety and then use DeJean and CJ as backup slot options behind Rodgers.  Maybe they go really deep at corner and try to sneak Tyler Hall in too. 

50 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Something tells me you are on an island all by yourself and no one will be joining you anytime soon with him playing coverage in the middle linebacker position. Most will be on page with you with playing outside edge rusher and dropping into coverage in that quarter of a field range but no one's on page with you with being in the middle linebacker position in any formation

Well, that makes at least two of us on the island. 

Here's what I'm thinking. If you are interested, @austinfan posted links about Fangio's defense a few pages back. Eminently worth the time and effort to read. Fangio runs a ton of fronts and coverages, including your basic 4-3-4, a 4-2-5, a 2-4-5, a 4-1-6, and a number of other variations. There are a few basic themes: two high safeties, and disguised coverages that change AFTER the snap. To do that, you need versatile defenders and Hunt is the most versatile of them all. I see him lining up BEFORE the snap as EITHER a SS OR a SAM but AFTER the snap he may stay at either position but, if it's SS, he may drop down into the middle zone - what's called a "robber", or rotate down on the TE while the LB or other safety on that side does something else, or key on the RB, or, especially in a defense without the MIKE, move up to shut off shallow crossing patterns.

Think of him as running the three sides of a triangle with the vertices being the SAM, short middle (SM in my hopeless diagram below at varying depths), and deep middle - SS. Where he starts is not where he'll end up.

                                                                        SS

 

                                                                                              SAM

     

                                                  SM

 

___________________________LOS________________________________

This may all be nonsense, of course, but it's what I'm thinking.

16 minutes ago, TEW said:

Bradberry is more likely to be cut than make the roster in my view.

With Fangio here, I don't see that being the case barring some sort of injury, but there's only one way to find out.

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

Well, that makes at least two of us on the island. 

Here's what I'm thinking. If you are interested, @austinfan posted links about Fangio's defense a few pages back. Eminently worth the time and effort to read. Fangio runs a ton of fronts and coverages, including your basic 4-3-5, a 4-2-5, a 2-4-5, a 4-1-6, and a number of other variations. There are a few basic themes: two high safeties, and disguised coverages that change AFTER the snap. To do that, you need versatile defenders and Hunt is the most versatile of them all. I see him lining up BEFORE the snap as EITHER a SS OR a SAM but AFTER the snap he may stay at either position but, if it's SS, he may drop down into the middle zone - what's called a "robber", or rotate down on the TE while the LB or other safety on that side does something else, or key on the RB, or, especially in a defense without the MIKE, move up to shut off shallow crossing patterns.

Think of him as running the three sides of a triangle with the vertices being the SAM, short middle (SM in my hopeless diagram below at varying depths), and deep middle - SS. Where he starts is not where he'll end up.

                                                                        SS

 

                                                                                              SAM

     

                                                  SM

 

___________________________LOS________________________________

This may all be nonsense, of course, but it's what I'm thinking.

First it was MLB in dime and now Jalyx Hunt is gonna line up at SS? Is this gonna be the new freakbeast trope?

7 minutes ago, just relax said:

Well, that makes at least two of us on the island. 

Here's what I'm thinking. If you are interested, @austinfan posted links about Fangio's defense a few pages back. Eminently worth the time and effort to read. Fangio runs a ton of fronts and coverages, including your basic 4-3-5, a 4-2-5, a 2-4-5, a 4-1-6, and a number of other variations. There are a few basic themes: two high safeties, and disguised coverages that change AFTER the snap. To do that, you need versatile defenders and Hunt is the most versatile of them all. I see him lining up BEFORE the snap as EITHER a SS OR a SAM but AFTER the snap he may stay at either position but, if it's SS, he may drop down into the middle zone - what's called a "robber", or rotate down on the TE while the LB or other safety on that side does something else, or key on the RB, or, especially in a defense without the MIKE, move up to shut off shallow crossing patterns.

Think of him as running the three sides of a triangle with the vertices being the SAM, short middle (SM in my hopeless diagram below at varying depths), and deep middle - SS. Where he starts is not where he'll end up.

                                                                        SS

 

                                                                                              SAM

     

                                                  SM

 

___________________________LOS________________________________

This may all be nonsense, of course, but it's what I'm thinking.

Much better explained than my attempt, but I think the key here is that Hunt is going to spend the significant majority of his time deployed off the LOS and his responsibilities will primarily be in zone coverage, NOT as a pass rusher.

Assuming he develops as Fangio hopes, I see him eventually being used all over the field.

I think as a rookie the first half or so of the season he won’t get much playing time. But I would expect to see him in various off ball linebacker roles starting midway through the season and his playing time increasing as the season goes on.

We simply don’t have a player with his skill set, and his skill set is absolutely vital in Fangio’s system.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

First it was MLB in dime and now Jalyx Hunt is gonna line up at SS? Is this gonna be the new freakbeast trope?

You need to watch what Fangio did last year with the Dolphins.

@jsb235 mentioned Van Ginkel as a player comparison, and I think that is a great likeness.

Hint: Van Ginkel was the starter at MLB. Obviously I don’t expect that from Hunt in year 1, but yeah, Hunt is going to be playing at LB and S more than he will actually rush the passer as a EDGE.

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Wait. I thought we were a home field DISadvantage and the players hate us and want to play anywhere but Philly? I'm so confused. 

He was clearly coerced or forced to sign this extension because per his Twitter avatar, he wanted to play for the Patriots. And the Eagles only signed him to appease the fans, because AJ Brown was clearly a bad guy because he got passionate on a sideline one time.

Jalyx Hunt will be a fun 2024 pre-season watch, then we will forget about him until 2025 minicamp. 

13 minutes ago, TEW said:

You need to watch what Fangio did last year with the Dolphins.

@jsb235 mentioned Van Ginkel as a player comparison, and I think that is a great likeness.

Hint: Van Ginkel was the starter at MLB. Obviously I don’t expect that from Hunt in year 1, but yeah, Hunt is going to be playing at LB and S more than he will actually rush the passer as a EDGE.

Dolphins LBs were a mess last year. Almost as bad as ours, and part of the reason why their defense was so mediocre. He might've started a game or two there, but I seriously doubt he was their MLB in dime packages. He was also not a rookie with his head swimming like Hunt's is about to be, but if you have any screenshots of the fins in dime with him as the MLB, I'd love to see it.

 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jalyx Hunt will be a fun 2024 pre-season watch, then we will forget about him until 2025 minicamp. 

In a vacuum, I agree.

However, given the lack of talent and depth we have at LB, I think there is a path for Hunt to see the field this season.

He projects as a good special teamer, which should help get him on the activist list for games. From there, an injury or poor play by our mediocre vets is all it will take for an opportunity to emerge. I wouldn’t count on it of course, but he may surprise some people.

20 minutes ago, TEW said:

Much better explained than my attempt, but I think the key here is that Hunt is going to spend the significant majority of his time deployed off the LOS and his responsibilities will primarily be in zone coverage, NOT as a pass rusher.

Assuming he develops as Fangio hopes, I see him eventually being used all over the field.

I think as a rookie the first half or so of the season he won’t get much playing time. But I would expect to see him in various off ball linebacker roles starting midway through the season and his playing time increasing as the season goes on.

We simply don’t have a player with his skill set, and his skill set is absolutely vital in Fangio’s system.

Have you even watched Hunt?

15 minutes ago, TEW said:

You need to watch what Fangio did last year with the Dolphins.

@jsb235 mentioned Van Ginkel as a player comparison, and I think that is a great likeness.

Hint: Van Ginkel was the starter at MLB. Obviously I don’t expect that from Hunt in year 1, but yeah, Hunt is going to be playing at LB and S more than he will actually rush the passer as a EDGE.

Van Ginkel actually was unlocked once he moved to edge. His pass rush win rate was incredible. 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

@vikas83  How about this, let's combine both bets together according to these terms:

• If Ringo is cut, I get to pick your avi for a month
• If Rodgers is also cut, I get to extend it to two months
• If Bradberry is cut but Ringo and Rodgers are safe, you get to pick my avi for two months
• If only Rodgers gets cut but the other two make the roster, I get to pick your avi for a month
• If both Rodgers and Bradberry are cut, you get to pick my avi for a month
• If none of the above are cut, no avi change
• If all of the above are cut, no avi change

By cut or safe, this means who is or isn't on the roster for Week 1. Any injury to any of the above players voids all terms.

Sound good?

Seems disproportionate since I am betting on 2 guys to make the roster instead of one. Seems like in the scenario where Bradberry and Ringo make it, but Rodgers is cut, should be a push. Then I would do it. 

36 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Bradberry was put on notice the instant they drafted Quinyon Mitchell. 

Ringo isn't going anywhere.  He played well on special teams and didn't look bad at all when they gave him snaps. 

Wouldn't be surprised if they ultimately went with Slay/Mitchell/Rodgers/Ringo/Ricks/Jobe.  Go CJGJ/Blankenship/DeJean/Brown at safety and then use DeJean and CJ as backup slot options behind Rodgers.  Maybe they go really deep at corner and try to sneak Tyler Hall in too. 

Agreed. Also agreed Ringo isn't going anywhere. He played well when he was in there. I believe eagles believe he'll eventually start outside. Bradberry is gone with a June 1st cut. Ringo, Mitchell and DeJean (whichever position he plays) all but seals it for Slay next season. They'll release/ trade him after this year

I was pretty skeptical of the Jalyx Hunt pick from the beginning, but count me even more skeptical we're going to see an effective 252-pound safety.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Have you even watched Hunt?

He watched one highlight of him picking off an FCS QB and now he thinks he's Brian Urlacher.