4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Reddick was classified as a LB. Think it really is a hybrid thinking at this point. Really play Nickel and Dime mostly.

And I knew you were going to bring up well we playing sub packages correct so we decide to do a 3-3 package why well simple you still get both OLBs on the field why do that natural confusion at the LoS which 4 guys are coming?

Now for this also to work you need OLBs that can drop in coverage and not be total liabilities…. I 100% believe in Reddick not concerns with him… can sweat do it though? I have no clue maybe I can but it’s a question 

This isn’t to say we can make the switch we have pieces that can play but questions will be raised about guys in our scheme if we switch fronts… not a bad thing but just logical questions that have to be asked 

Would we even opt to try and say trade Sweat bring in Smith as the other OLB rookie from Georgia who has played OLB 

I think Fangio would be a great hire for us and he isn’t likely to go anywhere as long as Siri is the HC… dude 65 and wants to be closer to his family in PA match made in heaven for us. 

On 1/21/2024 at 4:48 PM, joemas6 said:

Goes much further than Howie.   Hams favorite coach Andy Reid...  "Dream Team"  spending money galore everywhere...back up CB... Ronnie Brown,  Steve Smith, Vince Young...4 DEs...consecutive draft picks on the interior of the DL for 4 years in a row.. 

Yet neglect the interior of the defense.  2 rookie S....and rookie Casey Matthews at LB next to a bunch of other ham and egg LBs. 

This is what you all seem to miss...this is the organizational philosophy Lurie has from Banner/ Reid.   He has Howie here to carry this out.

If it was OK " we have a defense built to play with a lead" ...that stupidity spewed back in 2011....then why different now?

We aren't getting Queen...BG you are 100% correct on saying spending would be " overcorrection" for the Lurie Eagles...

What we hope for...is they hit on the low investment LBs.    Ham doesn't like it....then blame Lurie's #1 football man.... Andy Reid.  That's absolutely the guy whose philosophy Lurie follows there.

Wow. What happened to the other posting place? Work has been busy and just got the message. Thank you to the guys that thought about me to join this one. I thought that was cool. I don’t have time to catch up on all posts, but I did see this one. Joe, why do you continue to blame AR for the "bad” at the Eagles? 1) he hasn’t been here for awhile now; 2) you have no idea if Lurie does things based on AR’s way (if he does, why the hell did he fire him?) as I’m sure you haven’t had that conversation directly with him; 3) AR continues to have SIGNIFICANT success away from the Eagles…..beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl one year ago if you forgot; and 4) you have no idea how much say AR had here with the draft or has now in KC. Unless you are part of that room, there is no way you could know those things. Just saying. Yes, I am a big fan of AR myself. The Eagles were crap before he got here and made them a playoff team year after year…even with just an "above” average QB in McNabb and blow average WRs…nothing special there except Westbrook in terms of the skill positions. The ONLY thing he didn’t do for the Eagles was win the Super Bowl. Just look around the league and look at all of his protege in terms of coaches in the NFL. That should tell you the quality of his coaching and leading people.

I don’t blame everthing on any ONE person. Howie does some great things. He makes some boneheaded moves too. AR didnt make all of the "bad” choices by himself, I would assume. Im not in the room to know.

The only guy recently that I could not stand was the arrogant jerk Chipper. Drove this team straight to crap! A JOKE of a head coach!

I hope that Sirianni can find an OC that has some McVay, Shannahan, Lefleur DNA that can help the QB. I’m worried that Hurts has more limitations than arm strength. His football IQ over the last several games (specifically dealing with the blitz) has me worried.

 

31 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

Wow. What happened to the other posting place? Work has been busy and just got the message. Thank you to the guys that thought about me to join this one. I thought that was cool. I don’t have time to catch up on all posts, but I did see this one. Joe, why do you continue to blame AR for the "bad” at the Eagles? 1) he hasn’t been here for awhile now; 2) you have no idea if Lurie does things based on AR’s way (if he does, why the hell did he fire him?) as I’m sure you haven’t had that conversation directly with him; 3) AR continues to have SIGNIFICANT success away from the Eagles…..beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl one year ago if you forgot; and 4) you have no idea how much say AR had here with the draft or has now in KC. Unless you are part of that room, there is no way you could know those things. Just saying. Yes, I am a big fan of AR myself. The Eagles were crap before he got here and made them a playoff team year after year…even with just an "above” average QB in McNabb and blow average WRs…nothing special there except Westbrook in terms of the skill positions. The ONLY thing he didn’t do for the Eagles was win the Super Bowl. Just look around the league and look at all of his protege in terms of coaches in the NFL. That should tell you the quality of his coaching and leading people.

I don’t blame everthing on any ONE person. Howie does some great things. He makes some boneheaded moves too. AR didnt make all of the "bad” choices by himself, I would assume. Im not in the room to know.

The only guy recently that I could not stand was the arrogant jerk Chipper. Drove this team straight to crap! A JOKE of a head coach!

I hope that Sirianni can find an OC that has some McVay, Shannahan, Lefleur DNA that can help the QB. I’m worried that Hurts has more limitations than arm strength. His football IQ over the last several games (specifically dealing with the blitz) has me worried.

 

Sen, not blaming Andy Reid at all for the 2 trips to the Superbowl since he left... just stating facts...the organizational philosophy of where to invest the money is the Joe Banner/ Andy Reid model.  They haven't invested in LB in forever.   That's not a recent Howie thing.   That's just facts. 

Again...when the team has done well.. it's due to the low investment LBs working.  You throw enough wet paper towels against the ceiling,  eventually some will stick.   

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And I knew you were going to bring up well we playing sub packages correct so we decide to do a 3-3 package why well simple you still get both OLBs on the field why do that natural confusion at the LoS which 4 guys are coming?

Now for this also to work you need OLBs that can drop in coverage and not be total liabilities…. I 100% believe in Reddick not concerns with him… can sweat do it though? I have no clue maybe I can but it’s a question 

I just think we switched over to a 3-4 mindset pretty much with Siri. Just think things have evolved enough that it’s more all a hybrid version of these positions compared to 1980 football. But 4-3 don’t utilize a Nose. First thing I knew we needed to make Gannon D work was a Nose Tackle.

I suggested Barmore that first draft in the second round. No Mas remembers.

We took Tuipolotu as a kid that projected long term as a project Nose. He had the frame and ability to grow under Pro training. But then we came right back and traded up high for Davis the very next draft. Because you only can run those certain 3-4 mindset schemes off a player that can anchor in the middle. 

Was a huge shift from Schwartz one gap penetrate and attack 4-3.

We showed plenty of five man fronts under Siri. Looked like a strength first two seasons. This past season we got burned almost every time. Five men at the line just screams …one less man in coverage. We didn’t have any guys that could threaten blitz at the line and actually drop back to any real quality depth. We need the stats to back my point up. But I’m telling you it was abysmal this whole season whenever we showed 5 man rush. Green light for the quick passing and such.

I saw the D as 3-4….that committed Sweat to rush more as 4-3 DE.

Off ball LB had more 3-4 responisibilities.

Kind of amazed we have such a basic opposite viewpoint on what our team was doing out there. I see how they purposely blurred the lines some to hybrid a 3-4 with a bit of 4-3 crossthreading. But when you look back under Gannon. Remember how with quality LBs they just had clean up duties. That the Dline two gapped and covered for the LB to make the plays. In the 4-3 the Dline just penetrated disrupting lanes. They didn’t protect LBs looking for anybody else to clean up behind them. They disrupted and made plays. Saw a total different mindset…I thought.

Would you have traded up for Davis running a 4-3? He isn’t some great all around DT…three tech or anything. But gotta have a Nose for everything to play off…in the 3-4. So position need was crucial to have a Nose to run the 3-4.

Honestly hard to know and realize when initially watching games what’s all going on. You can’t just pick out each Dline and LB each time. You see the O backfield and QB, But if you record and rewatch or catch All 22 breakdowns you easily see who’s out there doing what. 

Just think things have evolved to where there is both schemes combined at this point. Got a Nose  DT. Got pass rushing DT. Have a DE in Sweat I’d say plays more of a regular 4-3 DE role. Have Reddick and other rushers as LB. So you get where the interior is protecting LB so they can flow and make the plays. But not committed only to that as have the outside rushers focus more on pressure. 

Think that’s the bumpy start for Cox under Siri. He was facing becoming a FA and they wanted him to play like a 3-4 DT. Hold his ground on two gaps so others can make plays isn’t the path to getting paid big money as a FA. Him showing he wasn’t to old and still could penetrate and play in the backfield was the path to future paydays. So it understandably wasn’t easy. Being a good teammate and taking one for the team was directly against his financial and families gain. But in the twilight of Fletch career this is a role he’s still capable of fulfilling at a high level. He’s still strong. Can hold up against double teams. Doesn’t get smoked getting off on snaps. Doesn’t get blown back. 

But it’s a world where Hargrave doesn’t hold up against double teams yet penetrates for stats and makes the huge money. So accepting not being in that opportunity for that role is a challenge. 

Early thoughts prevailed that Cox had lost a step and was washed up. But it was the scheme change. Maybe age caught him slacking a bit in not working out like a freak all offseason too. But I haven’t seen Fletch lose everything in my eyes. He isn’t at his peak. But he’s the best DT we have. Things really fell apart for this team and D. But wasn’t on Fletch. He actually was the rock. Played so many more snaps than I expected. Carter started strong. But doesn’t have the all around game or technique yet. Ran out of steam hard rookie season there. But Davis just hasn’t given us much yet. Started both seasons good. But just couldn’t/ can’t handle a full load in the NFL.

Carter had a fairly normal first season. As far as starting well but not being ready and trained for a full pro long season. Hit a rookie wall. More coaching and weight training followed up by just learning to manage his body and pace himself for all that. Davis however looks light years away from just a rookie wall situation.

Davis just looks like he’ll never be capable of playing a heavy rotation all season. If he doesn’t wear out physicality and mentally his body will under the stress of such a large man.

Have my doubts about both Georgia DT we drafted so high. Both huge freak athletes. But don’t think either will step up and train enough to be great. Milton transformed his body and worked like he meant business. I can rely on a guy like him much more. He’s big and fast too. A freak in any other setting of life not compared to the two high pick Georgia DT in front of him. I have my doubts Carter or Davis will have better careers than Milton. His hunger and dedication forces him to be relevant. Consistent. I don’t see either Georgia DT transforming his body and fully commiting like that. 

Carter and Davis never had to work for it before. I fear they won’t embrace the opportunity. Davis didn’t do near enough year two. Looked out of shape and lost never getting off any blocks second half of the season. Carter I just see as distracted. Wants the payday of football. But doesn’t bleed green. Probably already had enough praise blown up his butt he is harder to coach going forward. Will he commit to give his all to his craft? Will he accept the coaching to grow to where he can potentially become? I see character warning signs. He’s the opposite of how you look at pros like Hurts and others. Just can’t see him becoming the hard worker that dedicates himself to become great.  

54 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Five men at the line just screams …one less man in coverage.

Yea when you have Sweat who can’t drop I coverage and 4 DTs on the line or best case you ah e Reddick who you think dropping.

Having the edge guys that can blitz and still not be complete liabilities makes a huge difference. Again that’s the most simple 34 concept the ability to confuse teams on which 4 guys your sending