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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Players do want to play with Hurts I’ll admit. Clearly a big part of why AJ came here. Saquan chose to come here as well. Devonta wanted to stay.

Hurts is a NICE guy,he is likeable. No one questions that,but this is a BUSINESS and it's HURTS team on the field

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1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The QUARTERBACK leads the team, How do you lose when you have all the players you listed?????

Why don’t you actually ponder your own question so you can finally realize and see the truth of what took place last season. It was a terrible train wreck. You can get there.

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Siri is also  nice guy. maybe both guys need to toughen up. Lurie will only give so many chances

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Why don’t you actually ponder your own question so you can finally realize and see the truth of what took place last season. It was a terrible train wreck. You can get there.

A train wreck that lasts 6 games with a loss to lowly AZ????

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts is a NICE guy,he is likeable. No one questions that,but this is a BUSINESS and it's HURTS team on the field

Not sure I rank any players leadership qualities above Hurts. He’s far from perfect. But he isn’t lacking in quality leadership character.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

A train wreck that lasts 6 games with a loss to lowly AZ????

Which I called beforehand

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Which I called beforehand

You called and predicted a total collapse???? NAH you;re lying now

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure I rank any players leadership qualities above Hurts. He’s far from perfect. But he isn’t lacking in quality leadership character.

You're polishing his knob or you are his agent,or both. Character doesn't pull teams out of a slump. It's leadership and Hurts didn't do it. he has another chance this year and he better get it done

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I'm done arguing with someone who has blinders on,so I'm out. 

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2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You're polishing his knob or you are his agent,or both. Character doesn't pull teams out of a slump. It's leadership and Hurts didn't do it. he has another chance this year and he better get it done

or he will go the way of Fields who had a WORSE team to deal with

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Have a good night I'm done

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It sure wasn’t receptions based on quick short passing

?? AJ is a stud on the quick slant route.  

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AJ and Smith are both excellent YAC receivers. Hurts throws for 5 yards,they run for 20 and Hurts gets the credit for 25 yards please

Really those 2 get open...and both good at catching passes in traffic....especially the consistently underthrown jump ball.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yeah I misread,so how was Dullaz better than us last year??? because they didn't collapse????

To Dallas was not better.  They ended their season the same weekend. Both teams playing like crap, including both defenses and QBs. That's what matters.    

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s not the quality WR Lamb is. You gotta be honest about reality here. I know Lamb is a hated Cowboy. But just doesn’t change the fact of how good a player he is.

Correct...Dallas should have locked him in last year.   They refuse to pay their guys early...then have to overspend later anyway, but in a way that also counts more vs the cap.  

Bad business.  But hey, they will exercise 5th year option on Parsons...which is fine...but watch how they won't make a deal with him prior to the fall deadline of being able to use the cap in 2024....or worse , they will spin they get him for a bargain and actually let him play on that 5th year option and then tag him or overpay a monster contract.   

Pretty much what is going on with Lamb now

 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So many times we laugh at how the cowboys amount themselves the best team after they have strong starts to many seasons…but then predictably fall off to finish the seasons.

Yeah I was laughing vs Green Bay in the playoffs.  

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because he has stellar players around him. He's an AVERAGE passer

Ehhh.. I like Hurts passing in short yardage... medium distance he is ok... the reading of the defense is the issue there.   Long passes he underthrows... they complete some but his throws alllow the defense to get into the play.  

The throwing to me has actually gotten better.... the reading of defenses is still very pedestrian.  You think he regressed... I think Steichen was excellent at keeping the game simple for him not to have to think too much. 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure I rank any players leadership qualities above Hurts. He’s far from perfect. But he isn’t lacking in quality leadership character.

Well we know your opinion.... what matters through are the ones within the organization.   You seem to know all the soap opera stuff...  you seem to revel in it.... except I haven't seen you acknowledge the many reports about how they weren't happy with his leadership last year.   A major source of why Sirianni and AJ have to seem as emotional as they are....overcompensation for Hurts being stoic and unemotional.   Seeming disinterested during games,  not engaging the iPad to look at plays on the bench etc.

20 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You don’t think DeVonta’s agent understands how Rosie doesn’t wish to have that fifth year option money all hitting next year’s cap? Things do change if we have to exercise that fifth year option officially.

Ok... let's review business 101.

When a team exercises the 5th year option.  It controls the player for year 5.

The players 5th year salary becomes guaranteed for injury.

In Smith's case when the Eagles exercised the 5th year option to control him... that meant Smith was guaranteed $15.5 million.   

Had ZERO negative effect on the Eagles in looking to rush any deal prior to May 2.

The 5th year option $$ does not go on the books. The only things are the team retains control for the 5th year and the player will get at least that money. 

$15.5 mil had zero effect on the new deal as Smith was always going to get more than that in a new deal.... more than 3 times more as we saw.

May 2 = zero effect. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Ok... let's review business 101.

When a team exercises the 5th year option.  It controls the player for year 5.

The players 5th year salary becomes guaranteed for injury.

In Smith's case when the Eagles exercised the 5th year option to control him... that meant Smith was guaranteed $15.5 million.   

Had ZERO negative effect on the Eagles in looking to rush any deal prior to May 2.

The 5th year option $$ does not go on the books. The only things are the team retains control for the 5th year and the player will get at least that money. 

$15.5 mil had zero effect on the new deal as Smith was always going to get more than that in a new deal.... more than 3 times more as we saw.

May 2 = zero effect. 

Now... we see currently...All these WRs being under team control in their 5th year....with that money being guaranteed.  But they are all looking for contracts that dwarf the 5th year option.  When teams redo their deals...the 5th year option $$ becomes obsolete. 

So... with Smith... the Eagles exercised the 5th year option to get control... they redid the contract...so any $15.5 million gets erased 

It seems some mat think Smith is getting a $15.5 million salary simply because the Eagles exercised the option.   That's not the case.   Just like all these WRs if they get new deals will have the huge signing bonus and this year's salary will be around the $1 mil minimum. 

For Smith... there is no way he just signed a contract...and us going to wait to get paid.  Yes it's an extension. 

But do you really think he settling for $3 mil cash this year, $15.5 mil next year....and locking in a $25 mil number for 2026 before these other WRs get paid?

That would be grounds to fire the agent.  He absolutely should be getting some cash NOW with a signing bonus that should spread from 2024 to 2028.  That should be a good chunk of the $51 mil guaranteed. 

The $15.5 mil 5th year salary should be erased off the books with the new contract..... as it would have been if signed after May 2.  May 2 was irrelevant. 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You called and predicted a total collapse???? NAH you;re lying now

I did state very clearly that we very well could lose to the Cards.

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You're polishing his knob or you are his agent,or both. Character doesn't pull teams out of a slump. It's leadership and Hurts didn't do it. he has another chance this year and he better get it done

It’s answers and adjustments….provided from self scouting. Our coaches had zero of these.

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

or he will go the way of Fields who had a WORSE team to deal with

Another example of how you just don’t see or understand so much. You compared Fields to Hurts. Claimed the Bears were a strong team capable of winning their division last year even. I kept telling you before and even then…it was going down like it has. 

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