6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s more about just identifying the weak links in our championship chase this season. Up to Rosie to complete his job.

Identifying weak links and stopping there is textbook Negadelphianism. It is complaining for the sake of complaining.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

3.2 YPC avg is pedestrian and alot of that he got due to his abounding talent. Mailata said "we are one block away" The mission is to find that block

We are one piece and thing away with everything going on with the O.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I understand that is your opinion, and I respect it. I just happen to trust our coaches’ and Howie’s opinions a bit more than you do.

FWIW, when they picked Rodgers up in the year he had to sit out, I thought it was a master stroke. I still believe it was. But his snaps in the 2024 season gave us all a whole more information than we had in 2023. He simply looked like an okay backup CB based on those 2024 snaps.

It was a great move to stash him for future payoff. But…the payoff could have been much more than just as a backup for one season.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It was a great move to stash him for future payoff. But…the payoff could have been much more than just as a backup for one season.

He was Slay replacement

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s been gaining way less than that so far this season. Ranked really really low comparatively across the league.

The yards before first contact stat is incredibly telling … and is a stat that Saquon has absolutely no control over.

One thing that has been showing up a lot this season is an adjustment the opposing DCs have all made. Specifically, they are using Stoutland’s use of pulling linemen as a seam for the DL or ILBs to exploit. The pulling lineman leaves a gap when he pulls and the DL across from that gap is simply following the pulling lineman into the backfield, resulting in really good TFL opportunities.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

It means they obviously should have ran the ball more yesterday.. throwing 38 times ( really 44 with 6 sacks) running Barkley 6 times.. 50 plays ....44 passes and 6 runs to Barkley. Not the formula for this team... even at 3.2...but especially at 5 yards per carry.

Not much of a great formula for any winning football. But can be reasoned more if needing to come from behind. Doing it while possesing a nice lead is just bad football and coaching.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It was a great move to stash him for future payoff. But…the payoff could have been much more than just as a backup for one season.

Agreed 100% … IF he had shown that payoff with his play on the field. But he didn’t.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He was Slay replacement

That is correct, but he wasn’t able to beat Slay out as they had hoped he would.

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Because it's specifically not over yet.

No it isn’t…didn’t say otherwise. But…it’s not a shortcoming that sprung up because of injury either.

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Part of the fun of being a fan is being able to make assumptions when coming up with possibilities. It is a textbook "more is more” opportunity. We do it all the time regarding the Draft, and we don’t know any more about the players in the Draft class than we do about the NFL players. I don’t personally play Fantasy, but anyone who does knows an immense amount about a wealth of players across the league.

The complaints that are made about specific players aren’t constrained by the contractual realities associated with that player, but we speculate nonetheless. What reason is there not to similarly speculate about players from another team?

I give credit to Ham for the fact that he did come up with a conceptual solution. However, for a guy who says he lives, breathes, eats and sleeps information relative to the NFL, my sense is he can do better … and I was simply challenging him to do just that. So he absolutely did come down from his all complaints all the time plateau, but he stopped short of walking in Howie’s shoes.

Yeah…had a good amount going on lately. Plus just going to be a much clearer picture painted each week closer to the trade deadline…about which teams are clearly in the selling side of things.

22 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Part of the fun of being a fan is being able to make assumptions when coming up with possibilities. It is a textbook "more is more” opportunity. We do it all the time regarding the Draft, and we don’t know any more about the players in the Draft class than we do about the NFL players. I don’t personally play Fantasy, but anyone who does knows an immense amount about a wealth of players across the league.

The complaints that are made about specific players aren’t constrained by the contractual realities associated with that player, but we speculate nonetheless. What reason is there not to similarly speculate about players from another team?

I give credit to Ham for the fact that he did come up with a conceptual solution. However, for a guy who says he lives, breathes, eats and sleeps information relative to the NFL, my sense is he can do better … and I was simply challenging him to do just that. So he absolutely did come down from his all complaints all the time plateau, but he stopped short of walking in Howie’s shoes.

In your expert.. in your positive.... in your fun opinion. Which CBs are available for trade?

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I understand that is your opinion, and I respect it. I just happen to trust our coaches’ and Howie’s opinions a bit more than you do.

FWIW, when they picked Rodgers up in the year he had to sit out, I thought it was a master stroke. I still believe it was. But his snaps in the 2024 season gave us all a whole more information than we had in 2023. He simply looked like an okay backup CB based on those 2024 snaps.

Looked to me like he proved himself as a fit a more than capable starting option to turn towards. With his very reasonable salary as a free agent should have made him our option. Be different if some team had gone way overboard throwing crazy money his way. Then let him walk.

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Identifying weak links and stopping there is textbook Negadelphianism. It is complaining for the sake of complaining.

Nah…I call everything…good and bad…the way I see it.

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The yards before first contact stat is incredibly telling … and is a stat that Saquon has absolutely no control over.

One thing that has been showing up a lot this season is an adjustment the opposing DCs have all made. Specifically, they are using Stoutland’s use of pulling linemen as a seam for the DL or ILBs to exploit. The pulling lineman leaves a gap when he pulls and the DL across from that gap is simply following the pulling lineman into the backfield, resulting in really good TFL opportunities.

So sounds like you are admitting just how predictable our O is.

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Identifying weak links and stopping there is textbook Negadelphianism. It is complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or being humble and not arrogant...in thinking we actually know who is available... instead choosing to say a trade is a possibility is actually intelligent conversation....not really negative.

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is correct, but he wasn’t able to beat Slay out as they had hoped he would.

Slay was our Secondary leader. You missed that whole part. Rodgers was never given any chance to compete to do what you suggest. We had several young Secondary players that really looked up to Slay.

14 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The yards before first contact stat is incredibly telling … and is a stat that Saquon has absolutely no control over.

One thing that has been showing up a lot this season is an adjustment the opposing DCs have all made. Specifically, they are using Stoutland’s use of pulling linemen as a seam for the DL or ILBs to exploit. The pulling lineman leaves a gap when he pulls and the DL across from that gap is simply following the pulling lineman into the backfield, resulting in really good TFL opportunities.

Yes and no, Saquan hasn’t been hitting and reading the holes as well. Something began at the end of last season in the SB.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Or being humble and not arrogant...in thinking we actually know who is available... instead choosing to say a trade is a possibility is actually intelligent conversation....not really negative.

Both sides are fair. Nothing wrong with trying to take a stab or guess at possibilities. Last season I nailed out trade for Dotson. Well…nailed that it was our move…not so much the results like hoped for.

Now saying Saquan has been dealing with a knee injury

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…I do count ST plays as being part of the ST unit. Whole other coach is in charge of doing just that. Not sure how you’ve missed that all these years? Especially since you even played football. All kinds of players be it O or D or ST specialists perform on ST. But no version Fangio is the coach for those plays. Clay is.

Name me the players on the kick block unit

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…I do count ST plays as being part of the ST unit. Whole other coach is in charge of doing just that. Not sure how you’ve missed that all these years? Especially since you even played football. All kinds of players be it O or D or ST specialists perform on ST. But no version Fangio is the coach for those plays. Clay is.

Once again it depends on your viewpoint and mine is different

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve been very vocal about my beliefs in when I’ve felt it’s time then I am willing to trade some future picks to go All In to lock down bringing home the parade. Been stating I believe we very potentially in our greatest franchise dynasty run right now. 2022 was very much wanting to push all our chips in to win the SB.

LOL when Joe and I said we were going all in in 2023 you denied it

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Name me the players on the kick block unit

Name the guys that come in, that aren't on defense

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Didn’t read anybody share those thoughts. But I as actually working decent at least….thats when our brilliant O minds decided was time to abandon doing it. Moronic and borderline insane.

I would agree with that about this last game yes. You need to remember an OC has many people to keep happy. Sometimes this gets overlooked. To keep his job Patullo needs to keep the following happy. Lurie(obviously), Howie(having the players he gets actually play or be in meaningful roles, not just collecting paychecks) Siri(once again obvious because winning games is what it's about). His personal staff(needs to keep them integrated into the culture and system believing we can win and that their underling job matters to that end), Fanbase. IDK of many fan bases that pull up the yard weekly to travel with this team and literally take over opposing stadiums(yes this matters to the team), players(they all need to feel they are contributing to the wins, even if it's in a small way. The high dollar players need to feel NOT neglected and while every game may play out differently, failure to utilize the talent Howie has given this team can possibly result in let downs or if it continues on players rejecting wanting to play here. If you talk to sports players while they enjoy winning it all to the MAX, most will tell you it's the JOURNEY getting there. The brotherhood, the feeling of being needed, the feeling their performances matter. The OC's just is not just about "calling plays". It's about who you involve and to what end. It's a very fine line they walk. They have to keep the locker rooms guys happy, the fans ,the brass as well as hanging onto his(her) own job. Some people are just BUILT to do this, other have the skills but not the drive, others still need time to learn, to adapt their skills because this is an all new environment. So here is where you and I rub sometimes. You want the instant guy who can step in and do all this and I sure understand that. But look at a guy like Belichick, he got his fame off Brady(even TB turned it around with Brady) Patullo is a guy who looked on for 4-5 years, who as an underling didn't have the pressure of an OC. he is learning what that pressure is right now. The AJ 'tantrum" and as I keep saying these guys are stat H8O's. They LIVE for the spotlight. if you deny them that you are going to have issues. So Patullo went from one end of this spectrum to the other. last game was about keeping the WR's happy(The noisy wheel gets the grease). It's the sign of inexperience, not lack of talent by Patullo. He needs to get through the growing pains of having all the responsibilities coming from all directions which he never had as an underling. So I am willing to give Patullo some time. he needs to step up. For me the jury is out. I won't make a judgement yet(but soon). So I am sure he is reflecting on how many people he needs to keep happy and find that balance. He will find it or he won't. I want to see what he does now on a short week but he needs to understand he can't make 1 group happy at the expense of another, and this is the line he walks(as does every OC who calls the plays). So I will hold my bar up for him just as I did for Hurts. I want Patullo to jump over that bar because I am not going to lower it. It doesn't mean I hate Patullo, just as I did not hate Hurts. I will hold him to the "Philly standard" because that's all I know how to do. apologies for the essay, but was not statable in a few sentences

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