So just consider your the guy attempting to make some Homer win loss prediction way way before our team…much less the entire league got near actually their majority personnel setups.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So just consider your the guy attempting to make some Homer win loss prediction way way before our team…much less the entire league got near actually their majority personnel setups.

Same guy labeling judgement on our QB(not coaching or entire O personnel mind you) on his first three plays in a very different scheme …than any he’s ever been around before. Add on Siri held back Hurts from all the so many added duties Moore entrusted our leader to perform for the first time. Been ten years in the same O and so much added to QB1’s plate was excuse enough to expect things to take some time to get there.

What does the judgement of the first four weeks of that season under Moore really mean anyway? So obviously the least important and applicable to base any judgement about. Well…heck…Siri took over with the ‘play not to lose approach’ after that initial start. I don’t even see those games as very relevant either in fact. Only real judgement should apply to judging where things were at the end. Moore took back the reigns against Pittsburgh. Then rested starters last week of the season.

So Steelers game…and the playoff games…how did our O look? Of course I’m the only one considering the O needing to play together as the actual factor. How did Hurts look(for your oversimplifications) Steelers and playoff games?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So Steelers game…and the playoff games…how did our O look? Of course I’m the only one considering the O needing to play together as the actual factor. How did Hurts look(for your oversimplifications) Steelers and playoff games?

My answer was looked absolutely dominating…against the best teams in the league. Actually took the foot off the gas in all but the Rams game…heck fairly early at that.

Final answer would be SB MVP! You can’t do any better than that! That is the highest goal!!!!

I'm trying to see if I have someone on ignore or am missing posts? I've seen one poster on here for 50 consecutive posts the other day and I see what looks like he is having a conversation with someone, but don't see any other person answering?????

On 5/17/2026 at 8:13 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

And that was the SB year???? He mastered nothing, why we pulled it back to the KISS offense. Do you follow the Eagles?

That was always my point…instead of anything point you’ve made. You judging based on expecting mastery first series without a red no hit me jersey on. Ludicrous! My stance has been it takes years and years. Heck….we started from coaches just ironing out this new O just being formulated on an IPad that summer. Players had nothing ready enough to even have mastered come week one. Just starting with O coaching side of things.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That was always my point…instead of anything point you’ve made. You judging based on expecting mastery first series without a red no hit me jersey on. Ludicrous! My stance has been it takes years and years. Heck….we started from coaches just ironing out this new O just being formulated on an IPad that summer. Players had nothing ready enough to even have mastered come week one. Just starting with O coaching side of things.

Once the new O finally actually got tested under live fire….what? Say first four weeks. Hit the bye. At that point only reached far enough to assess and adjust accordingly. I’m just specifically talking only about purely coaches ironing out creating a new O. We weren’t even that far hitting the early bye week 5.

Had Oline consistency struggles early on. Felt like each week one different Oline starter was out. Even the starters working together in such a foreign O wasn’t going to be flawless by that juncture. But added in several backups plugging in so early. Oline on its own? They were struggling. They needed the simplification of run blocking so much simpler for them to all be on the same page together. So instead of indecision and confusion…always leads to indecision …not too mention nowhere near their best….just at least attack together less complicated rushing approach.

Who came to Siri pleading they needed him to run more instead of passing? It was the Oline.

On 5/17/2026 at 8:34 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's what we're all waiting to see now. If Hurts refuses to run again he's not going to do well until he figures out the passing game which could take some time with new receivers

I don’t even question for a moment it was wise for Hurts to HAVE NO CHOICE….but to cut back on his rushing last season. Wasn’t possibly sustainable for him to have pulled off. Rosie’s robust analytics branch of brain trust I can’t even envision any ways everything they concluded SCREAMED….only chance to follow up the most physically draining NFL season ever…I do very much label our SB winning season as taking THE MOST toll on our key rushing players in the history of the sport.

I just can’t get behind any shortsighted or one step thinking approach. Doesn’t matter how blockbuster any team is week 1,2…whatever. Can start out 10-1…but if you can’t punch you way out of wet paper bag come postseason? That just doesn’t work for me. Sounds great on paper if ignoring all context and details. Such and such a record…means something great…or worthy of praise. Starting out 10-1 Collapsing and can’t even be competitive versus the worst playoff team? That’s damning! In most ways the worst. Heck any coach could just be stuck with a crap team and doesn’t have enough to compete. But 10-1 absolutely proves there clearly was enough here to completely discard any overwhelming shortcomings holding things back.

On 5/17/2026 at 8:14 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

Now Mannion will FORCE him to do it

Two years coaching experience….zero experience calling plays or running his own O. Let’s just single out expectations JUST for Mannion. I realize the #Hurtshater agenda just driving you to have ridiculous expectations. Bash Hurts week one clearly the gameplan…sadly for way way too many. But why would anybody EXPECT our O to be firing on all cylinders at elite masters level straight out of TC?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Two years coaching experience….zero experience calling plays or running his own O. Let’s just single out expectations JUST for Mannion. I realize the #Hurtshater agenda just driving you to have ridiculous expectations. Bash Hurts week one clearly the gameplan…sadly for way way too many. But why would anybody EXPECT our O to be firing on all cylinders at elite masters level straight out of TC?

Heck Fangio as respected experienced and placed in position of power and control as any assistant I could compare anybody too. Even with us supposedly doing nothing but running Fangio clones Defensively under Siri the entire time before Fangio actually took over himself? Fangio’s D wasn’t polished ..mastered…elite…..heck actually pretty flawed frankly. The best of the best with so much experience…coming into players as familiar as possible with his O….still took time and adjustments.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Heck Fangio as respected experienced and placed in position of power and control as any assistant I could compare anybody too. Even with us supposedly doing nothing but running Fangio clones Defensively under Siri the entire time before Fangio actually took over himself? Fangio’s D wasn’t polished ..mastered…elite…..heck actually pretty flawed frankly. The best of the best with so much experience…coming into players as familiar as possible with his O….still took time and adjustments.

Even if we assume the most rosey glasses Homer ideal optimistic about Mannion? Our O guys haven’t been exposed at all with his O. Mannion did bring in a handful of players familiar with his O. Heck…nobody has seen his O….so even that’s purely speculation.

Any expectations surrounding Mannion not accounting for the massive developmental needs …just with him as O mind running things? Unrealistic….is the nicest way I can put that….we all know that label is leagues above what I truely would label such thoughts.

So let’s see a list of elite level coaching in the NFL occurring in the first three seasons of anybodies coaching career.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So let’s see a list of elite level coaching in the NFL occurring in the first three seasons of anybodies coaching career.

Actually hoping to be educated some here on this subject by somebody..everybody.

DeMeco Ryan’s started coaching in 2017. Feel like he’s a great example of a player transitioning amazingly fast to proving an elite coach. Elite? Maybe that’s even just a touch too far to actually credit him with even.

Just so we’re clear…it’s 2026 now…2017 nowhere close to third season coaching for DeMeco.

Demeco’s lightning fast development seemingly optimal example? He became DC in Santa Clara his fourth season.

On 5/17/2026 at 8:32 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

And won the SB???

Hurts won SB MVP finishing the season in completing dominating fashion…against the best teams in the league at that. That’s the guy you are tearing down dogging on.

50 minutes ago, capmaster24 said:

I'm trying to see if I have someone on ignore or am missing posts? I've seen one poster on here for 50 consecutive posts the other day and I see what looks like he is having a conversation with someone, but don't see any other person answering?????

Nope....you are absolutely fine. This is one guy having an imaginary conversation.

On 5/17/2026 at 8:32 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

So Moore who is now a HC couldn't coach????

I’ve been on record as not even a huge fan of Moore. Yet after making that clear I stated all hope relied on how far Moore could get is by the end of the season. Hurts was for the first time placed in charge of the O honestly. Hurts first time calling the blocking assignments. Hurts first time utilizing Motion. Hurts first time pretty much just going under C. It felt like Moore had invented time travel practically …for just bringing Playaction to the most dominant rushing team. Moore actually coached…and provided Hurts with audible powers. Other than with Moore…I can’t even find any scrap of evidence Hurts was provided anything more than a handful of audible options to check to. That handful I honestly feel is including run left, run right and run left. Well ok…maybe 6 or 7 audible options at most.

Don’t even consider entire O learning a completely foreign new O that actually I don’t even believe existed in any manageable workable form before the bye to begin with. Coaches didn’t even have things together yet. But let’s put that absolutely massive undeniably hold up out of the question even.

How long…or what’s the acceptable learning curve grace period just for any QB to reliably handle his new first time duties that season under an actual O mind qualified capable coach? Couple of seasons? At least half a season? Heck…can’t possibly expect first three games. Wasn’t fourth game where a handful of our starters were out injured and our team never exited the plane in the blazing TB heat? I can’t even find much of any reasoning to really consider the Tampa game in. Personally I actually suggested we full on just sit that game out taking the L. That’s how obvious that situation was in my mind.