21 hours ago, joemas6 said:

We need to see an evolution from Hurts as a passer. It seems the organization is really investing into a different style of offense. But lets see. Until the season starts all speculation.

The contract is what sparks the conversation of it being somewhat of a prove it for Hurts.

Hurts is going into his 7th season in the NFL.....he has had the benefit of a top 5 offensive line and excellent receivers and a quality TE. They had decent RBs until hitting the jackpot with Barkley the last 2 years.

He has had 5 different OCs, each having their own methods with heavy Sirianni influence. Hurts evolution/development is complete. He is what he is......His progressions, decision making are too slow and his anticipation for a receiver creating separation is poor. So he rarely gets to his 3rd read. The eagles have had some decent 3rd WRs who simply didn't get many balls thrown their way. Now, some of that is influenced by Brown and Smith getting separation and Hurts delivering the ball. But we've all seen him lock on too long to Brown and Smith when they aren't open and Hurts either takes off or throws the ball away.

So, at this point, it's highly unlikely Hurts evolves into a better passer unless Mannion, Frazier and Grizzard can get him to speed up his reads. Hurts has a lot of good qualities and he's a winner, but I doubt he ever improves as a passer.

1 hour ago, birdman#12 said:

Hurts is going into his 7th season in the NFL.....he has had the benefit of a top 5 offensive line and excellent receivers and a quality TE. They had decent RBs until hitting the jackpot with Barkley the last 2 years.

He has had 5 different OCs, each having their own methods with heavy Sirianni influence. Hurts evolution/development is complete. He is what he is......His progressions, decision making are too slow and his anticipation for a receiver creating separation is poor. So he rarely gets to his 3rd read. The eagles have had some decent 3rd WRs who simply didn't get many balls thrown their way. Now, some of that is influenced by Brown and Smith getting separation and Hurts delivering the ball. But we've all seen him lock on too long to Brown and Smith when they aren't open and Hurts either takes off or throws the ball away.

So, at this point, it's highly unlikely Hurts evolves into a better passer unless Mannion, Frazier and Grizzard can get him to speed up his reads. Hurts has a lot of good qualities and he's a winner, but I doubt he ever improves as a passer.

And last year he made a side deal not to run, so we have 1/2 QB who is a mediocre passer. He needs to step up now, no more excuses left

We were using helmet cams during rookie mini camp with Payton having it on…. Interesting touch and how it could help develop our QBs better

4 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

So, at this point, it's highly unlikely Hurts evolves into a better passer unless Mannion, Frazier and Grizzard can get him to speed up his reads. Hurts has a lot of good qualities and he's a winner, but I doubt he ever improves as a passer.

This is the issue though he has been a winner with a strong roster it is much harder to have a strong roster with the QB cap hit taking up a massive amount of the cap space.

When you look at extending Hurts if he can’t win with his arm how much longer can he use his legs? He already doesn’t want to be used as a runner as much.

It’s a big year for Hurts he has to show he can win from the pocket and with his arm if he wants to get an extension

Cole Wisniwzki getting number 21 is significant boost of confidence.

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Cole Wisniwzki getting number 21 is significant boost of confidence.

Why?

5 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Hurts is going into his 7th season in the NFL.....he has had the benefit of a top 5 offensive line and excellent receivers and a quality TE. They had decent RBs until hitting the jackpot with Barkley the last 2 years.

He has had 5 different OCs, each having their own methods with heavy Sirianni influence. Hurts evolution/development is complete. He is what he is......His progressions, decision making are too slow and his anticipation for a receiver creating separation is poor. So he rarely gets to his 3rd read. The eagles have had some decent 3rd WRs who simply didn't get many balls thrown their way. Now, some of that is influenced by Brown and Smith getting separation and Hurts delivering the ball. But we've all seen him lock on too long to Brown and Smith when they aren't open and Hurts either takes off or throws the ball away.

So, at this point, it's highly unlikely Hurts evolves into a better passer unless Mannion, Frazier and Grizzard can get him to speed up his reads. Hurts has a lot of good qualities and he's a winner, but I doubt he ever improves as a passer.

What decent third WRs? Most best known as blockers. That along with two TE sets with one completely blocking TE.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why?

That’s a legit S number for a seventh round pick to get.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s a legit S number for a seventh round pick to get.

So an assigned jersey number makes you a better player? OK got it

Huge growth coming under an actual O mind taking over in Mannion. He’s extremely green…but bringing an actual Scheme…hooray! Completely different than what our guys have been running. So will take time.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What decent third WRs? Most best known as blockers. That along with two TE sets with one completely blocking TE.

Yeah JJ definitely used as a blocker only LMAO

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Huge growth coming under an actual O mind taking over in Mannion. He’s extremely green…but bringing an actual Scheme…hooray! Completely different than what our guys have been running. So will take time.

He was an NFL pro QB and coached for many years? That's "green"? Seems to me he has plenty of experience and now he gets to use it

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He was an NFL pro QB and coached for many years? That's "green"? Seems to me he has plenty of experience and now he gets to use it

Two years experience coaching….wasn’t an OC doing so either…or calling plays.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Huge growth coming under an actual O mind taking over in Mannion. He’s extremely green…but bringing an actual Scheme…hooray! Completely different than what our guys have been running. So will take time.

You mean we're getting the system that AJ wanted to play all along. The only question is can Hurts do the job. In this supposed "new" open offense Hurts has to become a pocket passer

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Two years experience coaching….wasn’t an OC doing so either…or calling plays.

As a QB he knew and understood the plays called for him? He's not "green" by any stretch, just in a new position. he will die on the vine if, Hurts decides he's only going to give 70% and not run when he can. And I don't mean run for 3 yards to the sideline, he needs to actually move the ball down field. Either that, or be needs to become a proficient passer. He can, he has weapons all around him again. Hard to fail really

Notice the guys we got for Hurts? A SLOT and a new TE target(which will take time). Those are both short field/quick read/quick releases. Lemon similar to JJ in that he is proficient at YAC and that's what Howie is counting on. Lemon can play out, so I'd like to mix him around and have Smitty in the slot sometimes. whatever makes the defense have to dance for coverage packages. Hurts has so many weapons again it's hard to fathom failure. Mannion only wishes he had then what Hurts has now. We have to "sell" the motion which we were not good at last year

Smitty,Wicks and Lemon-all 3 can play in or out. Should be fun watching them move around in this offense

Ham here is the more worrisome thing- "The Eagles have hired Chris Kuper as offensive line coach. The Vikings didn't retain Kuper after four years in the same position. During Kuper's tenure, Minnesota ranked 32nd in pressure rate allowed on the interior in three of the last four seasons, including 2025, a ranking that led to his dismissal." So either the Vikes were not providing him with the correct players or he is horrible. This is a concern for Hurts(and the running game). No more Stoutland U

Fangio endorsed Kuper, so that is good enough for me, so it seems to me the Vikes FO was horrible at filling the O line then. It will be sad for us to lose Fangio, but he's earned his retirement. Should be more exciting for us fans on offense now. Should be fun to watch. I see no reason we can't make another run at this. I feel pretty confident in another division title with some early boo boo's. I can't wait to get back to football season(if I live that long)

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You mean we're getting the system that AJ wanted to play all along. The only question is can Hurts do the job. In this supposed "new" open offense Hurts has to become a pocket passer

AJ was the main guy I’d say that was and became predictable. Depending on how far inside or outside the numbers and depending on teammates personnel package and alignment opponents had him read.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ was the main guy I’d say that was and became predictable. Depending on how far inside or outside the numbers and depending on teammates personnel package and alignment opponents had him read.

Ocho Cinco broke it all down very publicly even.

It’s absolutely crucial that an O has multiple plays deriving from the each look(personal and alignment). We lacked an O just so negligently Siri failed to even account for this factor. One step thinking approach. Whole NFL is about to getting that half step. So much harder to accomplish when defenders are sitting on his routes.

Motion moves the D forcing them to adjust right going into the snap. Gives our O players a better read on their intentions potentially as well. Yes ..it’s all the O players in the field should he resign the D and adjusting together….not just the QB… like some simplify.

Now the top elite O minds are using Motion horizontally for that player to gain the half step right before the snap even …hitting things on the run.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Fangio endorsed Kuper, so that is good enough for me, so it seems to me the Vikes FO was horrible at filling the O line then. It will be sad for us to lose Fangio, but he's earned his retirement. Should be more exciting for us fans on offense now. Should be fun to watch. I see no reason we can't make another run at this. I feel pretty confident in another division title with some early boo boo's. I can't wait to get back to football season(if I live that long)

Moving to a different way of doing things. Hard to accept moving away from Stout though. Gotta just do anything and everything to retain Fangio another year…every year.

It’s believed Fangio is the highest paid DC. The guess is at 5 mil for this season.