3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

what the f did you just say here?

This guy, he never quits!

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

what the f did you just say here?

He said MAYBE and that's FINAL!!!

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Good god man….what a high bar! Not expecting thousand yards at all.

Thousand yards is 58 yards a game..

McMillan/Thomas Jr/ Nabers/ Mcconkey / Puka/ Wilson/ Olave/ Chase / Waddle all guys since 2021 with 1k yards as a rookie WR

Ebuka/Harrison Jr/ Rice/ Addison/ Flowers / London/ Smith/ St. Brown all guys with atleast 850 yards as rookie WRs.

I don’t think my par around at or just below 1k yards is all that high

45 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Thousand yards is 58 yards a game..

McMillan/Thomas Jr/ Nabers/ Mcconkey / Puka/ Wilson/ Olave/ Chase / Waddle all guys since 2021 with 1k yards as a rookie WR

Ebuka/Harrison Jr/ Rice/ Addison/ Flowers / London/ Smith/ St. Brown all guys with atleast 850 yards as rookie WRs.

I don’t think my par around at or just below 1k yards is all that high

Who were the QBs?

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Who were the QBs?

Bryce Young, Tua, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, Hurts

Not really elite tier QBs for a good chunk of them

Not earth shattering news, but Nick Foles gave Lemon permission to wear #9 when he asked

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Thousand yards is 58 yards a game..

McMillan/Thomas Jr/ Nabers/ Mcconkey / Puka/ Wilson/ Olave/ Chase / Waddle all guys since 2021 with 1k yards as a rookie WR

Ebuka/Harrison Jr/ Rice/ Addison/ Flowers / London/ Smith/ St. Brown all guys with atleast 850 yards as rookie WRs.

I don’t think my par around at or just below 1k yards is all that high

Ham's bar is so low it runs underneath your road 🤣. If Lemon can't pull the numbers, we know what/who the reason is

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Bryce Young, Tua, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, Hurts

Not really elite tier QBs for a good chunk of them

True.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

When he puts the money in the bank is there a difference? Is there an exchange rate?

When the owner writes the check, is the value different?

NFL players don’t actually have so much written in contracts that isn’t guaranteed ever hit their bank. So YES absolutely!

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

When he puts the money in the bank is there a difference? Is there an exchange rate?

When the owner writes the check, is the value different?

Technically owners are required to have all guaranteed money in an account…to avoid any terribly bad financial mistakes or problems. Imagine how bad the publicity would hit the NFL if billionaires(some cases multiple elite super rich conglomerates) couldn’t pay their players on time.

**just an extra footnote relating to you bringing up owners and how guaranteed money has to be handled by them. It’s a huge factor on their behalf. More than just QBs making50 mil a year(if you prefer the much less specific and vague …actually just fake BS financials numbers)

Jalen Hurts, using your choice of standard, signed his mega contract for 51 million per year.

Now let’s just throw out a test to see who will state how much has hit Jalen Hurts bank account?

9 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes Hurts needs to do much better

Why don’t you give a bit more all in inclusive and fair assessment? Yeah Hurts needs to do better. I 100 percent believe we didn’t even get the full taste of what Hurts was bringing though. It was clearly recognized by our organization and Hurts just how heavy a physical toll our Super Season was on our key inside O players. Dickerson, Cam, Saquan and Hurts it honestly zapped years of each athletes prime playing years.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Why don’t you give a bit more all in inclusive and fair assessment? Yeah Hurts needs to do better. I 100 percent believe we didn’t even get the full taste of what Hurts was bringing though. It was clearly recognized by our organization and Hurts just how heavy a physical toll our Super Season was on our key inside O players. Dickerson, Cam, Saquan and Hurts it honestly zapped years of each athletes prime playing years.

What I’m suggesting by pure educated guessing based on all the info I’ve digested about our team is: Everybody in our organization had a much better understanding about the insane levels of physical toll our Super Season extracted from especially these key highlighted players. That organizationally it was recognized and specifically addressed in the follow up attempted repeat dynasty fulfilling season. Starts with players and all their trainers. Lurie and Rosie were early adopters of putting in place a huge analytics division. I’m just one hard core fan…but can’t envision any other conclusions to deciphering all the data than understanding the price the Super Season cost. Heck I mentioned deeper into players career effects. But even just simplify it down to the attempt to repeat single season. Everybody understood that those key players had to lighten the load.

57 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Why don’t you give a bit more all in inclusive and fair assessment? Yeah Hurts needs to do better. I 100 percent believe we didn’t even get the full taste of what Hurts was bringing though. It was clearly recognized by our organization and Hurts just how heavy a physical toll our Super Season was on our key inside O players. Dickerson, Cam, Saquan and Hurts it honestly zapped years of each athletes prime playing years.

1 year is now "years." 2 SB appearances is zapping years off what prime years? How about Howie provided the weapons needed FOR his prime years? If you want to be inclusive. I hope Hurts does well,I always have hoped that, but the fact remains he hasn't progressed to the QB we paid for. he is mediocre surrounded by the best players in the league as a whole on offense. Would you disagree with that assessment?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

NFL players don’t actually have so much written in contracts that isn’t guaranteed ever hit their bank. So YES absolutely!

Technically owners are required to have all guaranteed money in an account…to avoid any terribly bad financial mistakes or problems. Imagine how bad the publicity would hit the NFL if billionaires(some cases multiple elite super rich conglomerates) couldn’t pay their players on time.

**just an extra footnote relating to you bringing up owners and how guaranteed money has to be handled by them. It’s a huge factor on their behalf. More than just QBs making50 mil a year(if you prefer the much less specific and vague …actually just fake BS financials numbers)

You get 50 million guaranteed and your salary is 10 million. I get 30 million guaranteed and my salary is 40 million. Which of us is the highest paid?

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What I’m suggesting by pure educated guessing based on all the info I’ve digested about our team is: Everybody in our organization had a much better understanding about the insane levels of physical toll our Super Season extracted from especially these key highlighted players. That organizationally it was recognized and specifically addressed in the follow up attempted repeat dynasty fulfilling season. Starts with players and all their trainers. Lurie and Rosie were early adopters of putting in place a huge analytics division. I’m just one hard core fan…but can’t envision any other conclusions to deciphering all the data than understanding the price the Super Season cost. Heck I mentioned deeper into players career effects. But even just simplify it down to the attempt to repeat single season. Everybody understood that those key players had to lighten the load.

Kind of weird the D was on the field  all the time with barely any injuries? The QB needs to adjust for what his O line is. The OC is also responsible for this. But with a weakened O line and knowing Bark would get hit in the backfield, why didn't Hurts give 100% to make up for it? he was PAID to run, then he stopped running. Howie got sold a false bill of goods, but we're stuck with him now. he has a choice this year, play to his ability or pull another Houdini. That is totally on him. If Hurts is not going to run he better up his passing game by a HUGE amount. Hurts needs to give like he did in 2024, not 2025. With the tush push seemingly off the table, this becomes more imperative than ever. I don't hate Hurts, never did, despite whatever names you want to call me. What I expect is a 55 million dollar QB. Put up or get out,there are 52 other players who are going to give it 100%

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1 year is now "years." 2 SB appearances is zapping years off what prime years? How about Howie provided the weapons needed FOR his prime years? If you want to be inclusive. I hope Hurts does well,I always have hoped that, but the fact remains he hasn't progressed to the QB we paid for. he is mediocre surrounded by the best players in the league as a whole on offense. Would you disagree with that assessment?

You shortcutted and oversimplified what I stated. Not just long extra games all the way to the SB amount of physical toll I’m talking about. But heck yes that alone is very noteworthy enough to dial back these key players the follow up repeat attempting season. I have very little doubt analytics are very clearly pointing out just how much the extra games beyond 17 regular season extract. 20 games alone is enough to take measures in an attempted follow up season.

But 2024 I’m specifically pointing out was so much more than just that oversimplification. We Brotherly Shoved and ran the ball to the most extreme levels in all time football history.

50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1 year is now "years." 2 SB appearances is zapping years off what prime years? How about Howie provided the weapons needed FOR his prime years? If you want to be inclusive. I hope Hurts does well,I always have hoped that, but the fact remains he hasn't progressed to the QB we paid for. he is mediocre surrounded by the best players in the league as a whole on offense. Would you disagree with that assessment?

I view enough provided weapons for Hurts, which I see as our entire O, so crucially including a qualified O mind. You skip over the nonSB seasons the O suffered under Siri(you could include 2021 disastrous train wreck start). Players in the weakest most predictable scheme, O…..all that……get figured out and struggle…The Collapse is as obvious as it gets where a blind man can’t argue against this point being made. Rosie process the players …along with the coaching and we went to the SB.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I view enough provided weapons for Hurts, which I see as our entire O, so crucially including a qualified O mind. You skip over the nonSB seasons the O suffered under Siri(you could include 2021 disastrous train wreck start). Players in the weakest most predictable scheme, O…..all that……get figured out and struggle…The Collapse is as obvious as it gets where a blind man can’t argue against this point being made. Rosie process the players …along with the coaching and we went to the SB.

Clear cut and as easy as it gets. Things unfolded pretty much to extremes. Not elite O coaching for players to ever work with(not talking Stout) but qualified id describe as really just decent…we going to the SB ..should have been unstoppable champs both times. Right? Steichen and Moore. Not even guys I was real high on…though my appreciation for both grew with those seasons. Not even on levels of McVay, Shannahan, AR….Stechein and Moore is all.

We’re 2-6 or 2-6 or something starting Siri’s HC career. Even under the least knee jerk reacting owner in Lurie….Siri wasn’t making it through his first regular season. Steichen takes over the exact same everything and we went on a fantastic run.

Steichen turns it back to Siri and everything declines. Further and further until the wheels fell completely off the bus. 10-1 team that couldn’t even try and be competitive against the weakest playoff team.

Moore comes in we dominant champs.

Moore turns it back to Siri and it repeats the total decline. Lost to a undermanned Niners squad.

Is it just Hurts? Or is it the entire O exactly like I’ve been stating the entire time. Sample size was smaller…but now it’s extensive. Proven fact and undeniable as I see it.

Not providing an O mind for our players, no matter how talented, is not providing enough.

I don’t understand how not having the top o mind we can get is so acceptable for so many.