Pretty well explains exactly the rut our O got stuck in. Siri and Johnson seemed to have a gameplan only based on relying on Hurts big play ability.

Hurts can be the ultimate big play creator too. He’s proven that. But really didn’t see much of any O in between.

I can see how some Hurts haters will blame him for holding the ball too much. But what I saw was an O that was only giving mostly the long developing routes.

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5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pretty well explains exactly the rut our O got stuck in. Siri and Johnson seemed to have a gameplan only based on relying on Hurts big play ability.

Do you feel Hurts is a " big pass play creater"    he runs, that's how he can create big plays.   Come on now.

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Plus Maddox cap hit isn’t anything crazy

9m cap hit for a slot that pretty high when we are paying Slay 11m.

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s proven to be a good player is the main point I see.

And he hasn’t been healthy that’s the main point we are paying the guy 9m to maybe get him 10 games… doesn’t matter if a player is good if he isn’t available 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can see how some Hurts haters will blame him for holding the ball too much.

Hurts holding the ball isn’t a new thing though 3 out of the 4 years he held the ball longer or near the longest in the nfl… even his best year our SB run he was middle of the pack at getting rid of the ball…

So it isn’t being a Hurts hater it’s just facts stop riding the dude jock and stop making excuses for the guy 

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

money saved on Slay and Maddox on another vet?

We don’t save nothing on Slay do we??? Not unless we trade him after June 1st then it’s like a 1.2m savings for 2024 

But releasing him we save nothing 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

gameplan only based on relying on Hurts big play ability.

I watch plenty of games where Hurts opted to take the deep shot on 3rd downs when he had the underneath WR wide open which took our O off the field.

By all means our O was bad but it wasn’t all just the play callers doesn’t give Hurts this excuse card for all His bad play down the stretch 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We don’t save nothing on Slay do we??? Not unless we trade him after June 1st then it’s like a 1.2m savings for 2024 

But releasing him we save nothing 

Post June... not sure how much we would save, because I don't have details of the contract and the language for the offset.   Meaning when a player signs with a new team,a lot of times that wil cancel out any money ( guaranteed or salary or bonus related) outside of the signing bonus. 

Regardless,  you save a little in 2024...you also get him off the books, where you can use the space for another player.  The assumption being if you sign a vet, it's to a multi year deal... where year 1 is lower cap hit.

57 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Regardless,  you save a little in 2024

Can only go by what sites say of course they aren’t 100% but sportrac for now says if we released Slay even after June 1st we get zero cap savings.

maybe there is some other language in his contract that could offset things and we save some… But right now really looking like no benefit to cutting Slay outright… Looking like a post June trade or we keep him 

Mike Macdonald(ravens DC) going to be the next HC of the Seahawks. Looking like Washington going to pick Dan Quinn as there next HC 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Can only go by what sites say of course they aren’t 100% but sportrac for now says if we released Slay even after June 1st we get zero cap savings.

maybe there is some other language in his contract that could offset things and we save some… But right now really looking like no benefit to cutting Slay outright… Looking like a post June trade or we keep him 

But shows with a trade we save?  That's the thing,  the trade takes into consideration the offset immediately...because the other team immediately takes on the future salary etc.   With the release,  it obviously can't compute the player being on another team yet.  

Usually the language in the contract has the offset.  To where the player getting paid from the new team ( if picked up after a release) provides same cap relief as a trade. 

But there is absolutely benefit to move on from a player and let the younger guys step up.  Culture wise it makes sense. 

If you can move on from Slay, Bradberry or Byard...and save 35 cents on the cap, while clearing them off the books for good, and getting them out of the locker room.   Gotta do it.  

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Usually the language in the contract has the offset.

Isn’t a lot of the language if they are claimed off waivers though not just signed as a FA 

19 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Isn’t a lot of the language if they are claimed off waivers though not just signed as a FA 

It's usually just simply if they receive a salary.  The player can't double dip with the " guarantee " 

So it's why the initial showing of " trade" vs " cut/ release " shows different values sometimes. 

Slay probably has some guarantee salary or something that would technically still count vs the Eagles cap until another team takes on the responsibility by signing him.   Waivers shouldn't effect the Eagles cap.  That's the player and the team claiming him. 

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9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Do you feel Hurts is a " big pass play creater"    he runs, that's how he can create big plays.   Come on now.

He is excellent at both. He is a big play generator. He scrambled to avoid the rush…then bombs it out downfield. Pretty much the whole O gameplan for the season it felt like

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He is excellent at both. He is a big play generator. He scrambled to avoid the rush…then bombs it out downfield. Pretty much the whole O gameplan for the season it felt like

With all the fumbles and interceptions this he certainly is a big play creator.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Waivers shouldn't effect the Eagles cap.  That's the player and the team claiming him. 

I’ve seen lot of contract talks that waivers played a major part…. If player isn’t claimed off waivers then the team that released him is on the hook for the contract.

Again not saying this is every contract but I’ve seen more than a few over the years similar to what I’m mentioning. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’ve seen lot of contract talks that waivers played a major part…. If player isn’t claimed off waivers then the team that released him is on the hook for the contract.

Again not saying this is every contract but I’ve seen more than a few over the years similar to what I’m mentioning. 

Yes... if the player has a huge salary and isn't claimed off of waivers and signs for way less....the original team could have the difference count vs their cap if the money was guaranteed.  Absolutely 100% correct.  The 1.2 mil difference for Slay, shouldn't be a factor if he is released then picked up.   That's the amount that is showing as the difference between trading him or  releasing him June 1.   My guess he would sign for more than that.  

But the offset language is the key... I believe there is an option in there that needs to be accounted for... that would show on the Eagles cap at time of release,  we won't know it it stays until he agrees to a new deal.  May or may not.  

20 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

With all the fumbles and interceptions this he certainly is a big play creator.

All of those stats weren’t his fault. You know better. He literally was giving the ball to the other team every time he attempted passes to Quez. The whole story starts with the playcalling. Long developing routes or a WR screen pass. About all we saw for diversity in the plays. He scrambled to avoid the rush way too much for having such a talented lineup of Stouts Boys upfront.

But no question that game ending Jets interception was bad.

18 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Yes... if the player has a huge salary and isn't claimed off of waivers and signs for way less....the original team could have the difference count vs their cap if the money was guaranteed.  Absolutely 100% correct.  The 1.2 mil difference for Slay, shouldn't be a factor if he is released then picked up.   That's the amount that is showing as the difference between trading him or  releasing him June 1.   My guess he would sign for more than that.  

But the offset language is the key... I believe there is an option in there that needs to be accounted for... that would show on the Eagles cap at time of release,  we won't know it it stays until he agrees to a new deal.  May or may not.  

Pretty much agreeing with this. Usually you are only on the hook for the difference in cap hit pay. If a player can only sign for less. How the new contract is setup factoring in is all whole other issue. We sign guys to three year contracts that it’s in reality only a one year contract.