May 31, 20242 yr 36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: I’ve been on this treadmill of desiring a LB and S help. Every year We've ALL been on that treadmill for years
May 31, 20242 yr QB coach was actually coaching Hurts today…in one small glimpse. Nussmeir…something like that is his name. I don’t even know who was our QB coach last year after the previous one was promoted to OC. Felt like all last offseason they just were trying to teach QB1 to not be aggressive and not to run with abandon take hits. Came off as a very negative. Important lessons for him to learn I won’t disagree. But didn’t really work very well whatever he was trying to be taught.
May 31, 20242 yr Word is Jalen Hurts and all QBs looked like crap today. Hurts intercepted twice today. One being a pick 6 by Rodgers on a short pass.
May 31, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said: I'm not watching just commenting on the reporting This is Kermit the frog reporting live from Novacare complex...lol
May 31, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said: When I say "we”…I mean the team and Fangio. I think Fangio knows... 40 years in the business... and it wasn't a quick decision, 40 years in the business, he was in no rush and took his time. How long was Reddick able to seek a trade?
May 31, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said: I’ve been on this treadmill of desiring a LB and S help. Every year Me it was specifically 2011, When they had $8 billion of cap space and I saw them spend on backups.... DRC, Steve Smith WR, Ronnie Brown... Vince Young ... 4 Pass rushers, the 3 DTS... and went in with 2 rookie safeties (2nd round Nate Allen and 7th Round Kurt Coleman)... 4th or 5th round LB Casey Matthews, teamed up with Jamar Chayney , Omar Gaether... etc. From that point, I realized the Banner/ Reid philosophy was no matter how much cap space you have, LBs just don't matter. I think the two influences on Lurie still remain Banner/ Reid... Howie just brings in a youthful yes man that adds analytics and can handle the contracts in a way that makes the players happy. I believe the way Banner lost Dawkins to Denver was it for Lurie... he didn't want Banner around anymore as the front man and never will lose a Dawkins, Kelce type again etc... for a few $$. Actually went overboard the other way with Peters eetc.
May 31, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said: But after all these screw ups getting us to this offseason…Fangio and Rosie didn’t want to pay Reddick. So we just bit the bullet on 21.5 dead money to give him to the Jets. Are we better having done so..,no I don’t think so. But do I see us as a strong contending team right now? No I don’t. So Reddick’s age is a factor. I see him similar as Saquan. Both players are win now decisions. With a window of next year…maybe 2026. Again with this dead money.... you need to start learning how it works. Zero cap hit to trade Reddick. They could have actually saved some cap space by doing it this year, but they took it all in one shot to save the full amount next year... because...and lets follow... it's the same cap hit whether he played here or not in 2024. However, if he played here this year, then we would have an additional $13 million cap hit in the future. So the move... Having Reddick play this year would cost us $13 million plus a day 2 draft pick. We have our pass rusher here now... you could snap your fingers and give the Jets back the pick and take a $13 mil cap hit next year... would you do it for the Reddick you saw in 2023... with your eyes, not regurgitating stats. Knowing he was going to be a year older. Plus... if you think he would be disgruntled? Or you have to pay him more and take an even bigger cap hit? For me... since I'm not a junkie or emotional , or looking to take a shot at the GM or coach every chance I get... I like the trade option. I wouldn't give back the pick and take the permanent cap hit. Nor take away snaps from the young guys. Not for the Reddick I think I'm going to get this year. But lets see if Huff, Hunt and smith can combine to create more than one turnover? Or 10 sacks. Lets see if any of them make a play in coverage
May 31, 20242 yr 11 minutes ago, joemas6 said: I think Fangio knows... 40 years in the business... and it wasn't a quick decision, 40 years in the business, he was in no rush and took his time. How long was Reddick able to seek a trade? Could have adjusted and figured it out last season. But really had the look of him eying Huff and Hunt so massively this offseason.
May 31, 20242 yr There just wasn’t an option we weren’t drafting Jalyx Hunt this draft as it all played out from what I’ve read and seen.
May 31, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Again with this dead money.... you need to start learning how it works. Zero cap hit to trade Reddick. They could have actually saved some cap space by doing it this year, but they took it all in one shot to save the full amount next year... because...and lets follow... it's the same cap hit whether he played here or not in 2024. However, if he played here this year, then we would have an additional $13 million cap hit in the future. So the move... Having Reddick play this year would cost us $13 million plus a day 2 draft pick. We have our pass rusher here now... you could snap your fingers and give the Jets back the pick and take a $13 mil cap hit next year... would you do it for the Reddick you saw in 2023... with your eyes, not regurgitating stats. Knowing he was going to be a year older. Plus... if you think he would be disgruntled? Or you have to pay him more and take an even bigger cap hit? For me... since I'm not a junkie or emotional , or looking to take a shot at the GM or coach every chance I get... I like the trade option. I wouldn't give back the pick and take the permanent cap hit. Nor take away snaps from the young guys. Not for the Reddick I think I'm going to get this year. But lets see if Huff, Hunt and smith can combine to create more than one turnover? Or 10 sacks. Lets see if any of them make a play in coverage So us taking the cap hit and him playing for the Jets is why they call it…Dead Money.
May 31, 20242 yr 16 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Again with this dead money.... you need to start learning how it works. Zero cap hit to trade Reddick. They could have actually saved some cap space by doing it this year, but they took it all in one shot to save the full amount next year... because...and lets follow... it's the same cap hit whether he played here or not in 2024. However, if he played here this year, then we would have an additional $13 million cap hit in the future. So the move... Having Reddick play this year would cost us $13 million plus a day 2 draft pick. We have our pass rusher here now... you could snap your fingers and give the Jets back the pick and take a $13 mil cap hit next year... would you do it for the Reddick you saw in 2023... with your eyes, not regurgitating stats. Knowing he was going to be a year older. Plus... if you think he would be disgruntled? Or you have to pay him more and take an even bigger cap hit? For me... since I'm not a junkie or emotional , or looking to take a shot at the GM or coach every chance I get... I like the trade option. I wouldn't give back the pick and take the permanent cap hit. Nor take away snaps from the young guys. Not for the Reddick I think I'm going to get this year. But let’s see if Huff, Hunt and smith can combine to create more than one turnover? Or 10 sacks. Lets see if any of them make a play in coverage Would be the first if any of them did create more than 10 sacks. Something reddick did as routine.
May 31, 20242 yr See I’m just not as forgiving of the massively backloading of contracts by Rosie as you. So Rosie created this pretext with every contract to be forced to trade Reddick. Everything you are talking about with the cap be it Dead money or not…begins with the contract structuring. Signing a guy to 46 mil but only taking a 3.8 mil cap hit year one….is what created the situation you are pretty much fully talking about. 2024 cap and future cap owed. Backloaded …so how do we deal with that? Answer: forced to trade best defender for equivalent of a sixth round pick.
May 31, 20242 yr Tons of shorter passing today it’s being reported. Exactly what I have been asking for. Motion and more timing and short to medium passing. This is what can win me over from our new OC. Funny how supposedly Hurts didn’t look good….but this makes me very happy to hear.
May 31, 20242 yr 13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Could have adjusted and figured it out last season. But really had the look of him eying Huff and Hunt so massively this offseason. Wasn't he here in 2022 to see Reddick...plus his whole career with the film. I mean,you are an expert after watching a few highlights...surely a 40 year coach should know with everything he has seen for Reddick’s career including the first hand view from 2022.
May 31, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: Wasn't he here in 2022 to see Reddick...plus his whole career with the film. I mean,you are an expert after watching a few highlights...surely a 40 year coach should know with everything he has seen for Reddick’s career including the first hand view from 2022. You don’t agree with my thoughts on what you quoted?
May 31, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: See I’m just not as forgiving of the massively backloading of contracts by Rosie as you. So Rosie created this pretext with every contract to be forced to trade Reddick. Everything you are talking about with the cap be it Dead money or not…begins with the contract structuring. Signing a guy to 46 mil but only taking a 3.8 mil cap hit year one….is what created the situation you are pretty much fully talking about. 2024 cap and future cap owed. Backloaded …so how do we deal with that? Answer: forced to trade best defender for equivalent of a sixth round pick. You don't want to understand how contracts work. I get it... I'll quit trying to explain it.
May 31, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: You don't want to understand how contracts work. I get it... I'll quit trying to explain it. So year one having a 3.8 cap hit on that sizable contract you don’t see as any factor?
May 31, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: You don’t agree with my thoughts on what you quoted? I think Fangio didn't want Reddick. Yes that is my thought. I think he wants the younger guys so he can have more influence on their play. I think he wants the ability to drop them in coverage...Hunt. And I think they view Huff as more efficient of a pass rusher... plus younger and better long term. Plus I think they want to get Smith a lot of snaps.
May 31, 20242 yr Just now, joemas6 said: I think Fangio didn't want Reddick. Yes that is my thought. I think he wants the younger guys so he can have more influence on their play. I think he wants the ability to drop them in coverage...Hunt. And I think they view Huff as more efficient of a pass rusher... plus younger and better long term. Plus I think they want to get Smith a lot of snaps. So if Rosie doesn’t screw the pooch and Fangio stays here last season…is Reddick shipped off last offseason then?
May 31, 20242 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: So if Rosie doesn’t screw the pooch and Fangio stays here last season…is Reddick shipped off last offseason then? Sounds like you are really convinced Fangio is very anti-Reddick. Where-as I was leaning more on Fangio fell in love with these two additions this offseason in Huff and Hunt. Maybe it’s just both.
May 31, 20242 yr Does seem like near league wide Reddick has been underestimated and under appreciated. I’ve felt revolving mostly just around his size. Why we got him for the bargain we did.
May 31, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: So year one having a 3.8 cap hit on that sizable contract you don’t see as any factor? Ok... for a goof...one last time 4 years 40 million Year 1.... 3.8 million Year 2... 7 million Year 3 ... 12.2 million Year 4.... 17 million If the player finishes the deal...the Cao hit is 40 million over 4 years... If you don't want to keep the player... you can release or trade the player...and you avoid the big cap hit The cap is a rolling cap. So if tou flip the numbers the other way....you don't get an advantage. Because of less carryover. The backloading gives you options. There is zero negative to backloaded contracts...because any extra cost later... only catches up to the savings early on. It NEVER costs more doing it with the backload.
May 31, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: Ok... for a goof...one last time 4 years 40 million Year 1.... 3.8 million Year 2... 7 million Year 3 ... 12.2 million Year 4.... 17 million If the player finishes the deal...the Cao hit is 40 million over 4 years... If you don't want to keep the player... you can release or trade the player...and you avoid the big cap hit The cap is a rolling cap. So if tou flip the numbers the other way....you don't get an advantage. Because of less carryover. The backloading gives you options. There is zero negative to backloaded contracts...because any extra cost later... only catches up to the savings early on. It NEVER costs more doing it with the backload. So if you wish to trade this player…would you receive better trade compensation with 17 mil on the hook? Or 7 ?
May 31, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: So if Rosie doesn’t screw the pooch and Fangio stays here last season…is Reddick shipped off last offseason then? No... contract wasn't designed for that....it would cost more to release him last year. This year was the out. Plus ... coming off of 2022...the turnover creation specialist Reddick...the closer Reddick.. Nope. But after 2023... bye bye. Plus the other factors... Smith, Huff and Hunt.... rookie Smith and the other 2 weren't able to be Eagles yet.
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